Suin wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

Refresh our memory--
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
Feedback?

I think it depends on the reviewer. Some are great at inlines and can leave dozens of comments about commas and word choices, while regular reviews can be very powerful for big-picture feedback.

Yes, you can give/receive powerful big-picture regular reviews, but there is nothing to prevent that same powerful big picture review and more with an in-line review. IMO, the only reason to choose a regular review would be that at least five things to improve can't be found as ostensibly could be the case in a very short piece whether poem, essay, very short story, etc. Still, the reviewer has the option to choose the one they are most comfortable with. Take care. Vern

j p lundstrom wrote:

Refresh our memory--
Does an in-line review award the reviewer more points than a regular review?
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
What's the protocol for responding to in-line remarks?
What's the benefit of the x-line review?

Any other questions?
Feedback?

The points are same-o, same-o, despite the much more in depth (at least most of time) analysis which correspondingly requires much more time (again at least most of time) with the in-line.

Unless it is a very short piece, I'm not sure why anyone would "prefer" the regular review over the in-line. That is not to say that the regular is not valid and useful, just that you can put/receive much more with the in-line. And you could put everything you might say in a regular review in the final comment box for the in-line.

It is common courtesy to respond to at least some of the in text remarks within an in-line review, especially when beginning a relationship with the reviewer. It lets them know that you have indeed read their remarks and gives you the opportunity to fine tune the type response you are looking for as well as explain any misconceptions which the reviewer may have gotten from your work as written. Sometimes "mistakes" or differences of opinion are on purpose. The in-line remarks provides a great opportunity to expand the discussion.

The x-line gives you the ability to see all the comments at once and respond to them accordingly. You can scan through the remarks before making your reply to see if the same things show up more than once so you don't necessarily have to respond to each individually. The x-line also makes it easy to copy all the reviewer's comments to transfer them to Word or wherever you wish to make all the needed revisions to your master draft. A feature which is seldom used is that other people can enter the x-line and make comments regarding what the reviewer has written to allow a feedback loop between many different people. This is a great way to get various opinions on the same aspect of the story and allow the author to pick and choose from the menu so to speak. In short, the x-line gives you more bang for your buck.

A good three cents worth regular or in-line. Take care. Vern

It seems to me that most of what you've presented could (and actually appears to be) written in narrative rather than internal thoughts. Two pages of internal thoughts seems quite a bit at one sitting, but if it maintains your readers' interest without distraction then who's to say it won't work -- other than me of course since I've already stated it reads more as narrative anyway, so why not make it such or at least recast it into more manageable bits. Lastly, if you're questioning the effectiveness, then that is a good signal it could be modified. Good luck. Take care. Vern

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Times Roman 12 is fairly typical. If they have a specific font they wish you to use they would let you know. But pretty much any font should be transferable although most editors/agents/etc. do not want some fancy font which is difficult to read. Thus Times Roman is a good bet. Of course the font and size  can be changed with a few clicks. Take care. Vern

Temple Wang wrote:

Seems to me the forest has been missed for the low tree branch ... BONK!

LOL. Hope the link works. Take care. Vern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaXWy-HQefc

To paraphrase Alexander Pope: {To write is human, to know when to take advice divine.} Oh, is that too much? Take care. Vern

You can't "buy" MS Office anymore, it must be leased at roughly 80 - 100 bucks per year depending upon version. We bought a new computer last year and Word was installed. Of course we thought it was a purchase like Word 2007 was, but a couple weeks ago a notice started popping up each time it was opened saying it was time to renew the subscription. It turned out to be a big hassle to do so because I didn't know we had an account with MS so set up a new one to pay the subscription and of course they couldn't figure that out and the notice kept popping up even after I had renewed the subscription. Had to call the MS Store and went through a bunch of stuff that didn't work and then was put on hold for more technical support for 45 minutes before I hung up. Called back again a week later and explained the situation to the girl who handled it this time and she finally got it straightened out and gave us an extra month for the trouble. No problems since. Hope it will be simpler next year. I gave them a piece of my mind on their survey for the first attempt. I was more gracious the second time around, lol. That's all I can tell you. Good luck. Take care. Vern

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Sounds like a wonderful tool, but damn, I'm glad I don't need it; it would blow my mind - what's left anyway, lol. Take care. Vern

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SolN wrote:

Can you let me know where you have experienced this problem? Thanks.

I don't think it's site specific any more; it's happening on Facebook and other internet sites, but not on Word yet. It's as though someone suddenly placed a magnifying glass over the screen and I haven't made any adjustments to the screen zoom or anything else. Just weird. Take care. Vern

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I done tole ya to lay off that al-ke-haul, Vern.  You jus' won't lissen to nobody, will ya?  Ain't nobody done nuthin' to no type on this here site.  Now git on down th' road and don't be sayin' nuthin' stoopid to nobody else, ya hear?

Em-Jay

Can't believe my eyes and can't believe my ears and it's happenin everwhere now. It's Trump I tell ya. I quit that drinkin moonshine cause I was imagninin stuff he was doin but it won't the shine, it's a conspiracy. Take care. Vern

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So, did my eyes suddenly become much better or is the type on site now on steroids? Everything is huge. Take care. Vern

Temple Wang wrote:
Mark S. Moore wrote:

Hi All,

Has anyone ever started a forum thread to post your author websites, twitter handles...etc?

Would anyone be interested in that? I'd love to follow some of you and check out your websites. Jack the Knife has been kind enough to broaden my view on Twitter and helped me find lots of interesting people to follow.

Seems like your profile would be the place for that ...

And perhaps also within the content summary of each work you publish on site. You could even include it at the end of every post you make in the forums it could be part of your signature -- if you want to spread the word. I doubt a specific forum thread would achieve any more than most threads which disappear from inactivity within a short period. Take care. Vern

Hmmm, your best bet would be to leave all that planning to the bride and her family where it traditionally belongs. Or maybe you can gather material for a new horror or perhaps political intrigue story to keep you busy while you're in the dog house for interfering with the wedding plans, Just saying, lol. Take care. Vern

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Congrats. Good luck going forward. Take care. Vern

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By Josh you made it. Welcome. Take care. Vern

Dirk B. wrote:

And the winner is:

Romano’s heart pounded. He knelt and prayed for protection of the orphanage.

I decided the partial quote didn't work/was too clunky.

Wise. Take care. Vern

Dirk B. wrote:

Or this:

Romano’s heart pounded and he trembled. He kneeled, crossed himself, and prayed King David’s Psalm 140 for protection of the orphanage from evil. The psalm calmed him.

This one would seem more suitable imo. If you're saying he prayed Psalm 140, there is no need to go on to quote it. Ones familiar with it would know what it said and those who aren't probably really don't care or at least can dismiss it in a novel. The one above seems more like preaching than part of a novel. As a non-practicing Baptist, if I wrote about someone saying or reading The Lord's Prayer, I certainly would not write the thing out nor expect to read it from another author. If anyone who cares really wants to know the text of Psalm 140 or The Lord's prayer, I'm pretty sure they could find it in about 2 seconds on the internet. Quoting more than a few words at most is simply stuffing the story with unnecessary words. But to each their own, it is ultimately your decision. Take care. Vern

Charles_F_Bell wrote:

It has been revealed by the noted theosophical scholar, Emo Phillips, the one true faith of the Christian religion is now certainly the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council 0f 1912 whose King Bubba Bible begins Psalm 140: Deliver me, O Lord, from the evil man: preserve me from Trump.

LOL Unfortunately for you, it is too late to preserve you from Trump (aka Putin's Puppet or Pee Pee for short); well, that is until the pathological liar fires himself from office. But you served him well. Hey, maybe you can tell Pee Pee how to get Mexico to pay for his Great Big Beautiful Wall. Take care. Vern

Why can't you simply have him quote a few words from the prayer, throw in an ellipsis followed by some type action, etc. and then speak a few more words to end the prayer. Repeat as necessary. Take care. Vern

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Temple Wang wrote:
B Douglas Slack wrote:

I don't consider what I offered as "overinformation" or even TMI.
Bill

I know it.  That’s why I posted it.  Best of luck with your surgery.

Wit is something you can't overshare; well, at least imho. Take care. Vern

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

The problem with language police is they may be correct in one sense, but wrong in another.
[...]

more deconstructionist babbling.

Si je ne peux pas danser, je ne voulais pas faire partie de votre révélation. Excusez-moi, révolution.

LOL, so glad you could provide us with a bit of entertainment; haven't had a good belly laugh since playing Santa on Christmas Eve. Sorry, I can't stick around at the moment to enjoy more of your humor, but alas, I'm off to Charleston, SC to enjoy a couple days of golf, my go to hobby when I need to get serious. I do appreciate your sense of humor, so thanks for putting me in a relaxed mood for the long drive. Happy New Year -- drink lots of water to keep your brain from dehydrating further from the eggnog. Take care. Vern

Temple Wang wrote:
vern wrote:

The problem with language police is they may be correct in one sense, but wrong in another. Sure it is common sense that if someone who is sitting stood, then they must of necessity have stood up. That's a given. However, it is also a given that many, many folks say "stood up" naturally even though common sense would tell them stood says the same thing one word shorter. Our problem as reviewers and authors is that we are "looking" for these picky things to point out as reviewers and we as authors tend to want to delete them when pointed out because it does make sense and less is most always considered better -- after all words cost to print when we become published authors.

I dare say that most of us would not notice the distinction between "stood" and "stood up" before we started our journey toward becoming published authors and began delving into all the do's and don'ts of that coveted goal. We used to read for pleasure as most of the buying public still does. Now, we read with an eye toward finding something wrong, no matter how inconsequential to the story being told. In the end, we as authors must thank the reviewer for their diligence in pointing out such things, but then decide if it is really something that should be a major concern when it is a rare occurrence within the work as a whole.

Therein lies the rub. We hate to make these simple decisions when there is really no right or wrong involved. Our language of choice gives us too many ways of saying the same thing and regardless of what we choose, someone will disagree and they will be right on their end of the continuum. And someone else will be right on the other end of the continuum. When in doubt, go with your gut, or flip a coin. You will be right in someone's eyes, hopefully your own. In essence, we are too picky as reviewers and too malleable as authors. Take care. Vern

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Jesus ... you need a hobby, Vern. LOL

Well, yeah, but this is my hobby while I wait for appropriate weather for golf. And my fellow poker players prefer me to do this than take their money, lol. Take care. Vern

The problem with language police is they may be correct in one sense, but wrong in another. Sure it is common sense that if someone who is sitting stood, then they must of necessity have stood up. That's a given. However, it is also a given that many, many folks say "stood up" naturally even though common sense would tell them stood says the same thing one word shorter. Our problem as reviewers and authors is that we are "looking" for these picky things to point out as reviewers and we as authors tend to want to delete them when pointed out because it does make sense and less is most always considered better -- after all words cost to print when we become published authors.

I dare say that most of us would not notice the distinction between "stood" and "stood up" before we started our journey toward becoming published authors and began delving into all the do's and don'ts of that coveted goal. We used to read for pleasure as most of the buying public still does. Now, we read with an eye toward finding something wrong, no matter how inconsequential to the story being told. In the end, we as authors must thank the reviewer for their diligence in pointing out such things, but then decide if it is really something that should be a major concern when it is a rare occurrence within the work as a whole.

Therein lies the rub. We hate to make these simple decisions when there is really no right or wrong involved. Our language of choice gives us too many ways of saying the same thing and regardless of what we choose, someone will disagree and they will be right on their end of the continuum. And someone else will be right on the other end of the continuum. When in doubt, go with your gut, or flip a coin. You will be right in someone's eyes, hopefully your own. In essence, we are too picky as reviewers and too malleable as authors. Take care. Vern

Edited to add space between para.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all, even the ones I might disagree with on occasion -- or often. Take care. Vern

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Not sure about anyone else, but I never notice any of those pictures on the home page when I look for something to read/review. Don't know why it would make any difference on this site in attracting most readers. Of all the short stories I've posted over the years, none have and most likely never will have pictures attached to them. For starters not a single picture I could find on the link provided or any other would come anywhere close to associating with anything I have ever written.

LAZY? Matter of opinion I would say. You like pictures and want to use them, fine by me. But to call another author lazy for not doing so simply because you might like a pretty picture is the height of arrogance imho. Others may disagree and that is their right and yours; no skin off my back. Different strokes for different folks. BTW, if I were lazy, I could've made this a whole lot shorter with a few shorter words. Take care. Vern