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njc wrote:

True, it's a second problem, but not secondARY; it exists alongside the first one.

I would call it secondary as it is more readily remedied than the primary problem. If you hit the submit button by mistake, you can at least go to that review and make additions and/or corrections without having to strain your brain the way you must to find your way back to a draft which doesn't show up from the logical red draft icon nor does it show up when you go back to that same work and try to continue something which is no longer there. Either way, they should both be fixed so as not to cause undue stress on an old heart from all that blood pumping searching to no logical conclusion. I rest my case and my body and brain. Take care. Vern

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Dirk B. wrote:

Vern, Sol noted above the problems would be addressed.

Yes, I know, just responding to the secondary problem being discussed. Fixing the major one will minimize the minor one. Take care. Vern

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Dirk B. wrote:

Or simply rename the buttons (e.g., Save For Now and I'm Finished).

The bigger problem is regardless of how you save it (button size, color, whatever) you can't get back to it from the red (Draft) icon on the home page nor the work you are reviewing. You must remember possibly a year from now that the red draft icon does nothing and you have to go to all your reviews posted to find the dang thing, which is totally illogical imho. Take care. Vern

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Dirk B. wrote:

Vern, have you tried looking for the draft under Reviews - Inline Posted? The only place you can open a draft and resume from where you left off is from there.

Yeah, it shows up that way, but I've already redone the thing now. Kind of stupid it doesn't show up from the red draft icon on the home page or simply when you go back to the same chapter with an in-line. I appreciate your input. Now if the system worked a bit more intuitively from that draft thing, I might not have to go through this again in a year when all this will go out the back door of memory. Hell, the rant felt good anyway, lol. Thanks. Take care. Vern

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This has come up before, but evidently it is still a problem. Though I've solved it before by simply not stopping a review before I finished and submitted it, this time I had to leave in the middle and of course there is nothing on the draft when I return even though I did save the draft or at least clicked to save it since the thing obviously doesn't work. That I had a draft appeared on my home page, but when I try to resume there is nothing there. Rather annoying even if I avoid it most of the time. If it doesn't work, why have the save draft. Well, I guess I'll have to make it even more of a point to not get called away in the middle of a review. Anyway, that's my rant for the night and I'll do my damnedest not to trust that thing again. No, I don't need it fixed now; don't even need a reply. I'll just redo the whole thing the best I can recall what the hell I said. Take care. Vern

Congrats to all. Take care. Vern

B Douglas Slack wrote:

Today is December 3, but it is Monday, not Saturday.

Bill

Well, he didn't say what year. When will December 3 be on Saturday again? Something to look forward to. Take care. Vern

Definitely not running slow; it's a more of an old man's shuffle. Take care. Vern

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njc wrote:

If the narrator is a first person narrator, then surely it should matter.  I'm thinking now of =The Moonstone=, whose multiple narrators have each their own voice.  A more modest example is John Dickson Carr's =The Arabian Nights Murder=, which is in its way a minor classic.

The way I look at it, a first person narrator is in effect one of the characters in the story and is going to have a distinct voice much like the character whose story is being told in first person. As such, unless the character who is being represented by the first person narrator also speaks technically correct in his/her dialogue then it would seem unlikely that the same person as a narrator would speak technically correct all the time. The "voice" would sound unnatural in such a case in my grammatically ignorant though socially experienced opinion. Take care. Vern
Edited for PS: ***Well, when Tom and me got to the edge of the hilltop we looked away down into the village and could see three or four lights twinkling, where there was sick folks, *** Appropriate sample from the first person narrator, Huck Finn, using the voice -- and the me -- of the character.

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I would be one of the last persons to render a verdict on the technically correct use of I vs me, but I do know what sounds natural in conversation and as Temple has pointed out quite rationally, the example used to start this thread ain't it. Take care. Vern

Temple Wang wrote:
vern wrote:

It's probably a spelling thing, but I use a cereal comma on Frosted Flakes. Take care. Vern

Cause you’re a cereal killer ....

This is not a confession, but I've found drowning and crunching them critters before flushing the remains down a dark hole to be the best method and leaves no evidence. Take care. Vern

It's probably a spelling thing, but I use a cereal comma on Frosted Flakes. Take care. Vern

I would think that using a sprinkling of the words for the police officers, etc. which will likely be addressed directly throughout the story would suffice to give an authentic feel. Names of churches and such which you are now pondering probably aren't going to be addressed directly and will play no "active" part within the story so could be excluded without any loss of authenticity for the reader who will most likely fill in the blanks naturally and not give it a second thought. The story is the key. If it keeps interest, then the little idiosyncrasies of which words to put in Italian will fall by the wayside with little more effect than an unnoticed stranger in the crowd. Just my opinion. Take care. Vern

Home Alone -- Christmas and funny. Take care. Vern

Or you could just say the arresting "officer" read him his rights. Really no need to quote the exact words unless it is pertinent to the plot. The translation to English will probably not be exact anyway. Just look what happened to the Bible with all those different translations. Take care. Vern

Congrats! Perhaps it will Rise to the top. Take care. Vern

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I understand Trump is on this and the perpetrator will soon be sent back to Russia for a parade in Red Square. Just an alternate fact. Take care. Vern

njc wrote:

Yes, but who is who?  Don't answer that!

Aw, heck, go ahead and answer it.

You're not gonna move that horse with anything less than a come-along.

I don't believe that's a horse, not near as stubborn as the more appropriately pictured Jackass, from whence a mule gets its fabled stubborn streak. Now, why is it that a mule is larger than the horse or donkey from which it is bred? Curious minds want to know. Take care. Vern

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Temple Wang wrote:
Kdot wrote:

Hi Sol. Had a device stolen that's logged in here, so I went ahead and changed my password.

Now here's where the fun begins:

Existing devices are not kicked off / logged off when I set my password. The holder of the device can simply change my password to anything he desires. He can also change my email address to his own, then click "lost password" and unreset mine. (I validated the former is possible using my phone).

Recommend: Attempt to change email address goes through an email confirmation cycle
Recommend: Change password expires any active tokens on the user account

Good Lord in heaven!  What if they post some bad writing under your name?

Hmm, or a best seller. Take care. Vern

If you extrapolate the time difference between when the contest was first announced and the time it actually started to determine the approximate date of finalists being listed and then an ultimate winner being chosen you get an approximation of such date well into the post holiday season to include the New Year. Or you can pick a random date before the next decade begins and tabulate the odds on being correct. The truth is, "The Shadow knows" but no firm decision will be made before its time. Take care. Vern

Well, my mom, who had a second grade education, would say write any damn way you want and if it sells a million copies you can tell all the naysayers, "I told you so." But if it sets on your shelf and you sell only a few copies to friends and relatives, then you might want to reassess the broken rules dilemma. From the excerpt provided of Johnny Ringo ( a good cowboy name) I wouldn't read any more of his novels, not because of any grammar rules, but because it just seems boring. To each their own. Take care. Vern

Temple Wang wrote:
vern wrote:

Simple always seems to work best: If you don't want folks looking it up, use a different author name and title on site -- or out there. Hard to google something which doesn't exist. Take care. Vern

Damn straight, Vern
I’d never use my real identity ... leastways not without some photoshop ...
https://spiritedthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/toothless.jpg

Whoa, that looks like a good hook-up for Trump. I mean he pays big bucks to go out with what he considers a horse face woman, so image what he'd pay for this darling. He'll be in love. No politics, just E-Harmony at work. Take care. Vern

Simple always seems to work best: If you don't want folks looking it up, use a different author name and title on site -- or out there. Hard to google something which doesn't exist. Take care. Vern

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Congrats! May the sales be with you. Take care. Vern

I was a member of a face to face group many years ago for a short period of time. We used the read aloud method you refer to. Although it was generally helpful, it did have the pitfalls such as notetaking and author's voice getting in the way. My suggestion would be to have each member read the work for themselves ahead of the face to face meeting, then have a limited read aloud of a short excerpt. Members could then make suggestions taking into consideration the whole work as already read, but also get a different perspective from the way the author actually reads the material.

People read aloud differently and some are reluctant to do so and may be nervous which would show in the tone of the voice. That tone can effect the perception of the work and if there is a different perception of the work read aloud to the perception of having read the material first hand, then that could also be brought into the conversation. I know from my personal experience that folks often times responded to the humor more in my reading aloud than they did to the written copy (I had a couple of them read beforehand.) Some things are simply going to "sound" different when read aloud than they do on paper. There could even be a hint that some things might be suitable for an audio book -- something I've considered but not yet committed to.

I do think you might benefit from limiting the genre if enough people are available, but it shouldn't be a serious cog in the wheels if you have a mixed group as long as they are open-minded about others choices. As far as skill level, I would think different levels might actually be helpful in the long run as I've found that we oftentimes get so bogged down in our ideas of what might be "right" that we fail to see the trees for the forest so to speak. Just as children often times present us with valuable insight -- even if humorous -- by what they say or do, so might less experienced members provide valuable feedback with a different take on what is written or read.

Hope that helps. Good luck. Take care. Vern