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The VAST MAJORITY of threads veer off the strict topic of the original post at some point. Thank God for that. Think about it. If you can't get a group of people who witness an accident or anything else to agree on the details, then why would you expect everyone to see any subject in the forums in the same way and respond in a uniform way? It is not going to happen.
If we can't accept threads straying from the original subject, then we are going to be limited to very short threads which add virtually nothing to the pool of knowledge and die a quick death due to lack of participation. Variety is the spice of life for good reason -- boredom sucks and rarely teaches anything other than trying to avoid it. We keep trying to fix things that ain't broke until it is. Just my off topic opinion. Take care. Vern
Deckland Oz wrote:Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:The omniscient POV is tabu because of editors who could block your access to your potential audience. And in "How to Write Good" manuals, they stress not using it. But with this era of everyone having his/her own printing press, we should simply do what makes the story work. Our only concerns should be consistency, flow, and clarity. There, I said it.
That omniscient narration is not favored by editors isn't some arbitrary thing. As originally employed, omniscient narration used a distinctive narrative voice, a la Charles Dickens. Using such a voice in contemporary fiction is anachronistic; a bit like driving to work in a Model T. But without that distinctive narrative voice, omniscient narration falls flat, and you end up with a lot of bland narrative summary, which is not good. This fact, plus the technical difficulty of maintaining a consistent POV, may be why most editors avoid omniscient narration.
If you don't have a working voice for the narrative, I doubt it makes any difference which POV you choose, so you might as well choose the one you wish to tell the story. If the voice is the problem why don't they just say so and stop all the pretense of the curse of the omniscient POV. And if all those editors were so perfect in their decisions we would never have all the rejections of what eventually becomes a best seller. No one way of writing is the Holy Grail no matter how many times it is repeated by editors or strict followers of the imperial decree. Some times the king loses his head. Just saying. Take care. Vern
I'm not sure why the omniscient narrator (POV) seems to be taboo among many reviewers. Many best selling and well received works were/are written in omniscient POV. It is a time tested method of narrating a story. I like that freedom to show things from all sides without being told "you can't do that, it makes my head hurt" or such. Everyone has preferences and what works for the author is really the deciding factor although if said author finds overwhelming opposition to the way it is presented, then they might wish to rethink their decision. You will never know unless you go down that road. Good luck. Take care. Vern
A quick fix might be to place a note in bold letters at the beginning of the chapter per se until such time as the formatting might be corrected. Probably more people would see it and read it that way. Take care. Vern
It could just be me, but I think the easiest fix would be to do away with the summaries. Personally, I don't understand why anyone would want to read a summary of what they are about to read. Why not simply read the story? I suppose someone's time might be too limited to read the entire story, but if that is the case, then it could be done in more than one sitting.
From my perspective, the only reason to read a summary would be to skip reading the story and perhaps do a regular review based upon the summary. I wouldn't (don't) make it that easy by providing such a summary. And it does solve any summary formatting problems -- which of course I didn't heretofore know existed. Just my thoughts. At any rate, good luck with the formatting. Take care. Vern
Semi-Colon (2004) - IMDb
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427832
Directed by Drew Lewis, Matt Porter. With Drew Lewis. A story of a man, another man, and a big heavy briefcase.
Just for the horror of it. Take care. Vern
Temple Wang wrote:vern wrote:I'm forever getting called out on semi-colons. I have cut down, but still use them probably more than I should. They just look so cute, lol. Take care. Vern
LOL. Curse the naysayers. I like semicolons too; they help me direct the length of a pause in phrasing, like music.
PS: But, Vern, if they’re “so cute” is your excuse for using them, what’s the justification for the superfluous hyphen? ;-)
I suppose they're half-cute; that's my story and I'm sticking with it. Take care. Vern
I'm forever getting called out on semi-colons. I have cut down, but still use them probably more than I should. They just look so cute, lol. Take care. Vern
If you read The Lost Books of the Bible and the relatively recently discovered Gospel of Judas, you will find flaws galore to include deceit which could fill the vacuum of goodness for an always good character. Interesting reading even if you don't get some fresh ideas on character development. Take care. Vern
His "flaw" could be that he doesn't know who he is and is letting the church push him toward something he isn't sure of. He could also have flashbacks of memories of doing something terrible which he can't remember outright. You might also consider that stories outside the Bible which depict Jesus doing some pretty flawed stuff as a child. Your character could also have childlike outbursts of anger which he controls just in time to prevent a major "sin" or such. Or someone else could enter the picture and know things which others don't know about the character, even the character himself. And as Ann pointed out, the façade of perfection will be seen as a flaw by many; perhaps he flaunts it. Lots of angles. Good luck. Take care. Vern
John Hamler wrote:See? You need to keep an open mind, Vern! Open ears, too.
Ahh, that's the problem -- open ears hear too much and begin to hurt. Take care. Vern
John Hamler wrote:Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:I was inspired by John Hamler's latest, so you know who to blame. A movie title, or a book title, with 'in space added.' To start it up:
Reservoir Dogs in Space.
OK, fine. Be that way. lol
Wait... How exactly did I inspire you, Rhia? Not that I don't wanna be an inspirational figure, but...
HOW THE HECK @ Twitter? Am I right?
Seriously, though... I've recently been inspired by a YOUTUBE trend where people react to popular music. The twist being that it's black people listening to hard rock and heavy metal for the first time/white people listening to rap and R&B for the first time. Honest reactions, they call it. And so... I thought it might be a nice writing exercise (perhaps even a contest) where me and my fellow TNBW'ers react to an unfamiliar song or musical genre in a "literary" way. In a way using narrative competence, that is. In order to argue the reasons why you, and other people, should or should not enjoy it.
For instance: If you love jazz, take a listen to Master of Puppets by Metallica and then write about the experience of hearing it. If you already love Metallica, take a listen to Take Five by Dave Brubeck and do the same. The possibilities are endless, actually. And fun. I think. Then again, I dunno. 
Cheers
John
It sounds interesting, John, but I don't know where they find people who have never listened to a particular type of music. I mean, you don't have to listen to all the time, but it's real hard not to hear it along the way somewhere, somehow. Like all these reality shows that ain't reality, but hell, folks still watch them like they are. Beats the hell outta me what their concept of reality is. At any rate, I'm game if you wanna set it up, but if you make me listen to rap for too long, you better have a good prize pool, lol. Take care. Vern
Lord of the Rings In Space -- A Saturn Tale
Debbie Green wrote:Dirk B. wrote:Twas the Night Before Christmas
...
His eyes -- how they twinkled;
His dimples: how merry,
His cheeks were like roses,
His nose like a cherry...
Exactly.
This is exactly right. If you are writing a preposterous poem or tale, then the more "rules" you break, perhaps the better for the humorous effect. Doesn't quite work the same for a more traditional novel or short story. Still, rules were made to be broken or have exceptions. Take care. Vern
Using the eyes to express emotion which they can't do is similar to using dialogue tags which denote actions that do not generate speech -- you can't laugh, giggle, smile, bark, etc. words in dialogue. Do people understand what you mean when you use such tags? Yes, they do. But does it serve the primary purpose of a speaker tag - to identify the speaker. No, it doesn't. People, even famous authors still resort to such things on occasion and they get away with it. Why? Because they can and they know they can. Now, the question becomes, "Can you get away with it?" Obviously, if you think you can and are comfortable that your audience will also be comfortable with it, or at least accept it, then you've nothing to lose. The decision will be yours up until some future traditional publisher says change it and you'd rather do so than not make the sale. Good luck either way. Take care. Vern
Rather ironic, we learn the so-called "rules" of writing and then we can't help but notice all the exceptions by authors who are actually making money by not following them. Life ain't fair. But as Luke Peters would say, "It wouldn't be fair if life was fair." Take care. Vern
The more we think we learn, the more we see "mistakes" in other works. Kinda like the English teacher who is always catching mistakes in the way people talk. The one on the receiving end may not see the "nit-picking" as a mistake, only natural speech despite the technical incorrectness which the "expert" will notice. I do see things which give me pause in most anything I read anymore, but I try to ignore the interruptions as they detract from the enjoyment and there ain't a damn thing I can do about it after the fact. Once it is spoke, it can't be unspoke. Take care. Vern
Debbie Green wrote:Vern: The dappling is the most important part - or the part my character's brother is watching.
Yes, it certainly appears to be the most important part of the excerpt. That is why I suggested you might use the dappling to "show" the sparkle and dazzle without having to "tell" the reader it sparkles and dazzles. Of course others may disagree with that assessment and there is nothing wrong with some telling within a story; it is doubtful a good story can be told without some telling. Take care. Vern
Dallas Wright wrote:And to think, with a couple of keystrokes or a flip of a page, this rabbit hole could’ve been spared completely....
George, Charles, and Noah are looking down from heaven and saying, “WTF?”
Probably true, but some rabbit holes are fun to go down. Just ask Alice. Take care. Vern
John Hamler wrote:Personally? Well, I love how Debbie Green hung in there for the first few advice columns, but then...
Well, then she shut herself up and was like...
THIS SHIT IS GETTING TOO GODDAMNED SCIENTIFIC FOR ME and I'M outta HERE!~
I dunno. Just made me laugh is all.
It's fun to be silly.
Cheers
John
And this bit of "a-cute" observation made me laugh as well. Thanks, John. Take care. Vern
Sideman wrote:alkemi wrote:What about gravitational bending of light, would that count as refraction?
Probably not as refraction is normally the passing of light through a tangible medium. If you apply the principles of Loop Quantum Gravity with General Relativity, by means of the Planck Scale, it indicates that gravitational pull passes the light through a vacuum which causes it to bend, due to a change in velocity. Because the light has not passed through a medium of tangible mass (it passed through a vacuum) it is therefore not refracted, by the definition of refraction.
Einstein agrees with Sideman. He called it "bending light" so it's probably safe to say he would have called it "refraction" if that were the case. Take care. Vern
Go Genesis. Take care. Vern
Reflection is the word, but there also might be another question within your example. Do you need to tell the reader it is sparkling and dazzling or might you simply show it with the reflected light creating dapples in the yard and such -- which you are doing anyway. Just a thought. Take care. Vern
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