If you read The Lost Books of the Bible and the relatively recently discovered Gospel of Judas, you will find flaws galore to include deceit which could fill the vacuum of goodness for an always good character. Interesting reading even if you don't get some fresh ideas on character development. Take care. Vern

His "flaw" could be that he doesn't know who he is and is letting the church push him toward something he isn't sure of. He could also have flashbacks of memories of doing something terrible which he can't remember outright. You might also consider that stories outside the Bible which depict Jesus doing some pretty flawed stuff as a child. Your character could also have childlike outbursts of anger which he controls just in time to prevent a major "sin" or such. Or someone else could enter the picture and know things which others don't know about the character, even the character himself. And as Ann pointed out, the façade of perfection will be seen as a flaw by many; perhaps he flaunts it. Lots of angles. Good luck. Take care. Vern

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John Hamler wrote:

See? You need to keep an open mind, Vern! Open ears, too.

Ahh, that's the problem -- open ears hear too much and begin to hurt. Take care. Vern

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John Hamler wrote:
Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:

I was inspired by John Hamler's latest, so you know who to blame.  A movie title, or a book title, with 'in space added.'  To start it up:

Reservoir  Dogs in Space.

OK, fine.  Be that way. lol

Wait... How exactly did I inspire you, Rhia? Not that I don't wanna be an inspirational figure, but...

HOW THE HECK @ Twitter? Am I right?

Seriously, though... I've recently been inspired by a YOUTUBE trend where people react to popular music. The twist being that it's black people listening to hard rock and heavy metal for the first time/white people listening to rap and R&B for the first time. Honest reactions, they call it. And so... I thought it might be a nice writing exercise (perhaps even a contest) where me and my fellow TNBW'ers react to an unfamiliar song or musical genre in a "literary" way. In a way using narrative competence, that is. In order to argue the reasons why you, and other people, should or should not enjoy it.

For instance: If you love jazz, take a listen to Master of Puppets by Metallica and then write about the experience of hearing it. If you already love Metallica, take a listen to Take Five by Dave Brubeck and do the same. The possibilities are endless, actually. And fun. I think. Then again, I dunno. smile

Cheers

John

It sounds interesting, John, but I don't know where they find people who have never listened to a particular type of music. I mean, you don't have to listen to all the time, but it's real hard not to hear it along the way somewhere, somehow. Like all these reality shows that ain't reality, but hell, folks still watch them like they are. Beats the hell outta me what their concept of reality is. At any rate, I'm game if you wanna set it up, but if you make me listen to rap for too long, you better have a good prize pool, lol. Take care. Vern

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Hang'em High In Space

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Lord of the Rings In Space -- A Saturn Tale

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Mamma Mia In Space.

Debbie Green wrote:
Dirk B. wrote:

Twas the Night Before Christmas
...
His eyes -- how they twinkled;
His dimples: how merry,
His cheeks were like roses,
His nose like a cherry...


Exactly.

This is exactly right. If you are writing a preposterous poem or tale, then the more "rules" you break, perhaps the better for the humorous effect. Doesn't quite work the same for a more traditional novel or short story. Still, rules were made to be broken or have exceptions. Take care. Vern

Using the eyes to express emotion which they can't do is similar to using dialogue tags which denote actions that do not generate speech -- you can't laugh, giggle, smile, bark, etc. words in dialogue. Do people understand what you mean when you use such tags? Yes, they do. But does it serve the primary purpose of a speaker tag - to identify the speaker. No, it doesn't. People, even famous authors still resort to such things on occasion and they get away with it. Why? Because they can and they know they can. Now, the question becomes, "Can you get away with it?" Obviously, if you think you can and are comfortable that your audience will also be comfortable with it, or at least accept it, then you've nothing to lose. The decision will be yours up until some future traditional publisher says change it and you'd rather do so than not make the sale. Good luck either way. Take care. Vern

Rather ironic, we learn the so-called "rules" of writing and then we can't help but notice all the exceptions by authors who are actually making money by not following them. Life ain't fair. But as Luke Peters would say, "It wouldn't be fair if life was fair." Take care. Vern

The more we think we learn, the more we see "mistakes" in other works. Kinda like the English teacher who is always catching mistakes in the way people talk. The one on the receiving end may not see the "nit-picking" as a mistake, only natural speech despite the technical incorrectness which the "expert" will notice. I do see things which give me pause in most anything I read anymore, but I try to ignore the interruptions as they detract from the enjoyment and there ain't a damn thing I can do about it after the fact. Once it is spoke, it can't be unspoke. Take care. Vern

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Debbie Green wrote:

Vern: The dappling is the most important part - or the part my character's brother is watching.

Yes, it certainly appears to be the most important part of the excerpt. That is why I suggested you might use the dappling to "show" the sparkle and dazzle without having to "tell" the reader it sparkles and dazzles. Of course others may disagree with that assessment and there is nothing wrong with some telling within a story; it is doubtful a good story can be told without some telling. Take care. Vern

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Dallas Wright wrote:

And to think, with a couple of keystrokes or a flip of a page, this rabbit hole could’ve been spared completely....
George, Charles, and Noah are looking down from heaven and saying, “WTF?”

Probably true, but some rabbit holes are fun to go down. Just ask Alice. Take care. Vern

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John Hamler wrote:

Personally? Well, I love how Debbie Green hung in there for the first few advice columns, but then...

Well, then she shut herself up and was like...

THIS SHIT IS GETTING TOO GODDAMNED SCIENTIFIC FOR ME and I'M outta HERE!~

I dunno. Just made me laugh is all.

It's fun to be silly.

Cheers

John

And this bit of "a-cute" observation made me laugh as well. Thanks, John. Take care. Vern

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Sideman wrote:
alkemi wrote:

What about gravitational bending of light, would that count as refraction?


Probably not as refraction is normally the passing of light through a tangible medium. If you apply the principles of Loop Quantum Gravity with General Relativity, by means of the Planck Scale, it indicates that gravitational pull passes the light through a vacuum which causes it to bend, due to a change in velocity. Because the light has not passed through a medium of tangible mass (it passed through a vacuum) it is therefore not refracted, by the definition of refraction.

Einstein agrees with Sideman. He called it "bending light" so it's probably safe to say he would have called it "refraction" if that were the case. Take care. Vern

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Go Genesis. Take care. Vern

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Reflection is the word, but there also might be another question within your example. Do you need to tell the reader it is sparkling and dazzling or might you simply show it with the reflected light creating dapples in the yard and such -- which you are doing anyway. Just a thought. Take care. Vern

Dirk B. wrote:
Seabrass wrote:

My issue is with 'Joseph pleaded'. Let the dialogue do the pleading. Let the speaker tag just say 'said'.

As for the second line, I might do an action instead: God was silent for a moment. "Her time has come, Joseph. Have faith."

Relying solely on said probably means using an exclamation mark in the dialogue. I got schooled for too many of those recently. I took advantage of the italics of mind speech to eliminate God said, although I like that God was silent for a moment. I'll add that in.

It seems to me that using italics would be more confusing since it is for "thoughts" and if Joseph is "hearing" the "thoughts" then they are actually "spoken" words rather than real thoughts. Does God have inner thoughts, don't know, but if so, how would you denote them, and if not, why would He have "thoughts" merely for someone to hear. What would distinguish that from speaking? Just some random thoughts -- written out. Take care. Vern

Or it could be, "sayeth the Lord" for variety or Biblical familiarity, depending upon other context. Take care. Vern

I think this is one of those times that the sound to the ear is probably a good guide. "Among" the hurricane or "Amidst" the trees just sounds awkward whether within the strict rules of grammar or not. It is definitely not a distinction I would be concerned about should a character utter a sentence using such words. If it sounded weird, then I would probably rewrite the sentence to avoid it altogether rather than checking to see if some rule was bent or broken. That's the way I see it and will probably write it in the future present. Take care. Vern

Pretty much the same way "look" could be treated in another post. You describe something which would indicate the head shake as opposed to saying "shook his/her head" in the same way you would describe what someone is seeing as opposed to saying "look" before doing so. Good article. Take care. Vern

You don't really have to say "look" in any way or use synonyms for such. What are you seeing when you "look" at someone's face or whatever it is you're "looking" at? That's what you describe and in doing so, it is obvious you had to "look" in order to see what it is you're looking at. Why say "I looked at her eyes" or any semblance of such when you are going to go right ahead and show the reader what it is you are "looking" at. If you say she has blue eyes, then you must have looked and the reader can figure that out without being told direct; it's like beating them over the head and telling them, "Look, damn it, or else you're gonna miss what I'm about to tell you to look at." Okay, look, that's my opinion. Take care. Vern

"Practice doesn't make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect." Courtesy Lee Trevino I believe, but would certainly apply to writing as well as golf. Writing the same old stuff doesn't improve anything no matter how much you write. Take care. Vern

Use your favorite books to read. Study the presentation of voice, dialogue, description, transitions, pace, foreshadowing, characters, sub-plots, etc. We often learn more by examples we enjoy than from self-help books. Punctuation/grammar would probably be an exception to that philosophy. Take care. Vern

Hi, LA, welcome to the site. Depressing experiences of the memoir type can be handled in different ways and of course the "voice" is crucial to the acceptance by the reader imho. As you mention the HEA results, the things leading up to that are key elements of tension, obstacles, character building, etc. which make for a good story. Depending upon the voice chosen, unpleasant experiences can be presented in a palatable manner for the reader whether gut wrenching or a more lighthearted style. I invite you to check out my novel Root Hog or Die for an example of the lighter side. It is a "memoir" basically, but uses composite characters to protect the guilty. There is no need to leave a review unless you wish to make a comment. Good luck with your writing. Take care. Vern

PS: If you decide to read, all chapters of RHOD beyond the first three are inactive, but I will gladly activate should you wish to continue.