I've always thought literary fiction to be more character driven than plot driven -- heard that somewhere along the line. So, I suppose you get more in depth character analysis and relationships versus twisting plots and sub-plots, intricate mysteries, etc.. By that standard, I guess my somewhat fictionalized memoir is really literary fiction. Egads, who knew. Take care. Vern
352 2018-06-15 12:22:06
Re: Writing dialogue (62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I'm pretty sure that in this statement,
" I set it up in the narrative and then let the profanity and the weirdness distinguish his dialogue. Without using ums and uhs or stuttering or whatever."
John said nothing about not tarnishing dialogue with swearing -- not his point. Thus it is very difficult to use John's use of swearing to prove one's point based upon a point he never made. Or are we now allowed to discuss politics in the forums again? Oh well, it was worth a shot. Take care. Vern
353 2018-06-13 22:48:51
Re: Writing dialogue (62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I just looked at published books, national and international bestseller, in how they use dialogue tags. The books I examined are quite diverse: Natchez Burning by Greg Iles, The Time in Between by Maria Duenas, All the Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerr. All three authors use dialogue tags sparingly, but do use words like whisper, ask and a few other descriptive words for dialogue here and there. I'll strive to provide a context to eliminate the need as much as possible, then just not worry about it.
I believe the key word is "sparingly" and if well established authors can get away with it only "sparingly" then those still looking to join the established club probably should use such tags a bit more sparingly. It goes without saying, hopefully, that if you intend to self-publish, then you can do anything you wish without concern for any norms within the traditional publishing industry. Regardless, there is nothing to prevent the author from writing any which way they wish, publishers be damned -- you pays your money and takes your chances. No one can force the author to abide by any rules if they choose not to and who knows, you might win the lottery. Unfortunately, few will. Still your choice. Take care. Vern
354 2018-06-12 22:51:00
Re: Writing dialogue (62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
My mantra for speaker tags (feel free to borrow it): "Let the words (dialogue) and actions show the tone and/or state of mind of the speaker." Yes, there may be a few exceptions as with every rule, but there should not be many imnho. Take care. Vern
355 2018-06-11 20:46:32
Re: Writing dialogue (62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Like all other "rules" it is just a guideline. Sure folks use "uhs" and "ums" and such in talking just the way they use "you know" which is distracting and annoying in person and would become more so in written dialogue. An occasional utterance is no big deal, but to make it standard practice is probably going to make it stand out to the point of distraction for the reader. Surely there are better ways to differentiate characters' speech patterns. Take care. Vern
356 2018-06-08 23:01:37
Re: another comma question (5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Time to see if there's a consensus on this one:
Is the second comma below (after the word epithet) required? I think it doesn't belong because the name of the epithet, Bastardus Minusculus, is mandatory for understanding which epithet is being referred to. Or am I applying the wrong comma rule? (This is about a future society where the Roman Empire has been resurrected, hence the name Caligula.)
Although it took years for Caligula to be recognized for his brilliance, among the many side effects is that the epithet, Bastardus Minusculus, which had tormented Caligula throughout his youth, became an honorific awarded for extraordinary accomplishments in any field, similar to the coveted Noble Prize of the late second and early third millennia.
Thanks
Dirk
You could rearrange it to eliminate any doubt: "Caligula's peers called him Bastardus Minusculus in his youth. However, once his brilliance was recognized, the epithet became associated with a great honor similar to the Nobel Prize during the late second and third millennia." or such.
Take care. Vern
357 2018-06-06 23:00:48
Re: Winter 2018 Flash Fiction Winners (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congrats to all who won, placed, and showed; but also to all who entered and enjoyed the experience. Take care. Vern
358 2018-06-05 22:53:19
Re: The evil prologue (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
A good book and a good story are whatever the audience deems it to be. Period. Granted, in most cases, your audience is not going to be ecstatic about a book which is sloppily written, full of errors, undeveloped characters, ridiculous dialogue, torturous descriptions, no plot, no tension, slow as molasses, etc., but a few minor deviations from the "publishers norm" are most likely not going to be a stake in the heart. The only "concrete rule" is the one which states "There are no concrete rules." That's the way I see it. Take care. Vern
359 2018-06-01 23:49:32
Re: Comma before "as if"? (23 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Now I don't know what it was I been listenin' to, but what it ain't is decent talkin'. I mean all this parsing and stylebooking and tree nodes and I don't know whatall just sounds indecent and ain't much help to us non-alien comma criminals. If it sounds like I need to stop and take a leak or something while reading the thing, I'll throw in a comma and if it don't sound that way, well, I just let somebody higher up that grammar tree worry about it. I ain't losing no sleep over it either way. Where the hell is good non-political Trump tweet when you need it? Ya'll carry on now cause this is way over my noggin. Take care. Vern
360 2018-06-01 12:05:16
Re: Question About "Strongest Start" Coontest (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Sol, are we allowed to edit our posted entries before the contest ends?
Thanks
Dirk
You always have been allowed to edit up to the contest deadline. I doubt that has changed. It would be kind of useless to have reviews if you couldn't. Take care. Vern
361 2018-05-31 23:00:09
Re: Question About "Strongest Start" Coontest (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Post them all together. Just like you would post a normal book.
I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean, but this sounds contradictory. A book is normally posted one chapter at a time (including past contests), not "all together" as that would imply the three chapters posted as a single unit as opposed to individually.
I think by "all together" you are speaking of posting the three chapters consecutively within a short time frame as opposed to waiting a day or so between chapters. Of course, with a normal book posting, you could post the individual chapters at random times also and they would still meet the requirements for the contest as long they were all posted within the start and finish deadlines. Are these assumptions correct? Take care. Vern
362 2018-05-30 02:44:38
Re: Metaphorically Speaking (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
And 'She is a donkey' would be better said "she brayed at her own jokes, but sat stubbornly silent when anyone else said something humorous,' attributing the characteristics of a donkey to an individual without blatantly announcing what you're doing. It's more work, but more subtle.
I was on my break and writing super quickly. I am sure there are much better metaphors in the world than the one I listed but it is, technically, a metaphor.
Personally, "She is a donkey" without any context says a lot more and more subtly than spelling out what has not been mentioned with four times as many words which in no way covers all the characteristics which might be attributed to the simple four word phrase. Take care. Vern
363 2018-05-29 23:00:12
Re: Metaphorically Speaking (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:Here's a start, but a google search will give you about 10,800,000 more sources. Take care. Vern
Metaphor vs simile
Metaphor vs Simile. Metaphor and simile are often confused due to their similarities. But in fact, the two imply different aspects of language. Just to start with, we can say that a simile is a metaphor, but all metaphors are not similes.
Difference Between Metaphor and Simile
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What is the Difference Between Metaphor and Simile?
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-i … between...The terms metaphor and simile are slung around as if they meant exactly the same thing. A simile is a metaphor, but not all metaphors are similes.
Simile and Metaphor—What’s the Difference? | Grammarly
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/whats-th … tween-a...Simile vs. Metaphor Quiz. Both similes and metaphors add color and depth to language. Share your favorite similes and metaphors in the comments! Grammarly is a must-have
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LOL
Just messin’ with you, Vern. ;-)
It is funny, even without context for the uninformed. Take care. Vern
364 2018-05-29 22:48:19
Re: Metaphorically Speaking (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Here's a start, but a google search will give you about 10,800,000 more sources. Take care. Vern
Metaphor vs simile
Metaphor vs Simile. Metaphor and simile are often confused due to their similarities. But in fact, the two imply different aspects of language. Just to start with, we can say that a simile is a metaphor, but all metaphors are not similes.
Difference Between Metaphor and Simile
www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-metaphor-and-simile/
Is this answer helpful?
What is the Difference Between Metaphor and Simile?
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-i … between...
The terms metaphor and simile are slung around as if they meant exactly the same thing. A simile is a metaphor, but not all metaphors are similes.
Simile and Metaphor—What’s the Difference? | Grammarly
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/whats-th … tween-a...
Simile vs. Metaphor Quiz. Both similes and metaphors add color and depth to language. Share your favorite similes and metaphors in the comments! Grammarly is a must-have
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365 2018-05-28 04:09:08
Re: A Question About Serial Commas (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:Dallas Wright wrote:I’m not smart enough to understand what you just wrote, but thank you for typing it.
PS: You might take a good hard look at that note from Stendhal. LOL
Also, some people distinguish between “writers” and people that “type stuff”
Take care.Well, you tried, bless your heart. Take care. Vern
My grandfather. He’s eighty-four. A curmudgeon, grumpy old sonofabitch. He can't hear, he's about half-senile, bored a lot. Sometimes, in a group of people having a conversation, he’s just half-listening. When he doesn’t have anything substantive to add, or when he just wants to stir things up, he lets one rip and just sits there in his own fetid stench and grins as he watches what happens.
I'm sure he loves you just the same. Take care. Vern
366 2018-05-27 22:36:57
Re: A Question About Serial Commas (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:Dallas Wright wrote:"By train, plane and sedan chair, Peter Ustinov retraces a journey made by Mark Twain a century ago. The highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."
“I see but one rule: to be clear. If I am not clear, all my world crumbles to nothing.”
Stendhal, writing to BalzacTo be clear or not to be clear … yes, that is the goal for sure. But if one has to inform the reader with a comma that the demigod is or is not the collector of dildos, then the author should not be worried about said reader and would surely have described the demigod who just happens to collect dildos as such in a more pragmatic way or perhaps said author needs a different hobby. Clear is not always for everyone as a simple overwhelming majority will do in most cases. Take care. Vern
I’m not smart enough to understand what you just wrote, but thank you for typing it.
PS: You might take a good hard look at that note from Stendhal. LOL
Also, some people distinguish between “writers” and people that “type stuff”
Take care.
Well, you tried, bless your heart. Take care. Vern
367 2018-05-27 20:58:51
Re: A Question About Serial Commas (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
"By train, plane and sedan chair, Peter Ustinov retraces a journey made by Mark Twain a century ago. The highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."
“I see but one rule: to be clear. If I am not clear, all my world crumbles to nothing.”
Stendhal, writing to Balzac
To be clear or not to be clear … yes, that is the goal for sure. But if one has to inform the reader with a comma that the demigod is or is not the collector of dildos, then the author should not be worried about said reader and would surely have described the demigod who just happens to collect dildos as such in a more pragmatic way or perhaps said author needs a different hobby. Clear is not always for everyone as a simple overwhelming majority will do in most cases. Take care. Vern
368 2018-05-27 20:36:49
Re: A Question About Serial Commas (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Oxford comma, Harvard comma, and/or Podunk U comma, is all in the eye of the beholder. Good grief, Charley Brown, use it or don't use it; if there is no right or wrong, let your publisher figure it out if it will use more ink than necessary, and if you self-publish, you can make your own decision. Five cents,,, please. Take care. Vern
369 2018-05-27 04:42:42
Re: How about a group contest? (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I would say that this should be posed to whatever group (other than Premium) you wish to have that contest within as they are "free" to make their own rules per se. Each group may have their own forums, contests, reviews, whatever. Does it work? Apparently not so well as intended in most cases. Of course that all depends upon the group dynamics. I suppose it depends on the abilities of the moderator and the cohesiveness of the members to maintain the activity over time. However, all other groups I have joined have fizzled over time and it seems to me at least, that they only siphon the vitality of the Premium group as evidenced by less participation in reviews, forums, and contests. Only my thoughts, of course, and I'm sure some may disagree. Hey, it could me. Take care. Vern
370 2018-05-27 00:18:47
Re: "Event" transitions? (15 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I would think using transitional phrase would be akin to using the oft maligned "was". It's not the use, rather the overuse which becomes the problem. Let's face it, we live and talk in a world where the transitional phrase evolved as part of our language. It serves a purpose like everything else, but, of course can also become a crutch like "was" when taken for granted. If the transitional phrase is limited, it will become as invisible as "said" being used as a speaker tag.
There are lots of ways to mix things up to avoid the transitional phrase to limit its use much as rewording sentences to restrict the use of "was" to those times where nothing will do the job as well. As mentioned, dialogue can be a great way to rearrange things, but that too can be rearranged to showcase things differently. For example, Deck's version could perhaps be changed slightly to more align with your vision:
***
"... solely in the hands of___" The shock wave rocked Joseph on his feet. "What the hell was that," he yelled as prisoners fled from their cells.
He thought he heard "Explosion!" through the wailing siren and ringing in his ears.
***
Or such.
No one way to make everyone happy, just try various alternatives until You are satisfied with the words read aloud. As with anything, a pinch of salt is generally better than a shaker full. And a little pepper may be even better. Just my opinion. Take care. Vern
371 2018-05-19 01:55:51
Re: Naming minor characters (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
If you call them Father Calabrese, etc., you are in fact giving them a name which is sufficient to identify them as minor or even more than minor characters. The vast majority of people I "know" are only identified by one name and even if they share that one name with others in my circle, they are still only identified by one name in my mind and I have no problem knowing who they are within a group or separate. Let's face it, to call someone Father Calabrese is in effect giving them a full name. How likely are you to run into another Father Calabrese? If you do so in your story, the solution is simple; give one a different name. I would say that one name alone would be sufficient for a non-recurring character and certainly a title plus one name is more than adequate for the circumstance. Take care. Vern
372 2018-05-18 21:46:46
Re: Not again! (20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Oh, jeez, that someone thinks a short story would make a good novel is not an insult unless you are just looking for insults -- no this shouldn't be taken as one either. Every story starts with an idea whether a short story or novel or novella, or just an anecdote and any good idea has the potential to become a short story or a novel depending upon how one wishes to expand upon it. No one forces anyone to turn a good short story into a novel any more than one is forced to turn a good idea into a short story. Writer's choice. But certainly an author would grant a reader to the freedom to compliment the good idea and it's rendition within a short story having the real possibility of a good novel also. Just a differing opinion on the subject. Take care. Vern
373 2018-05-17 22:52:23
Re: Anyone want to play again? (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
They keep saying God is dead. Well, I may not be dead yet, but I Am dying. And so, dear lady, you will have to get another job.
374 2018-05-16 02:29:24
Re: Date Wierdness in Reviews (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You might want to check this post for a possible answer -- or not:
https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forums … tml#p34441
The Devil made me do it. Take care. Vern
375 2018-05-14 22:49:23
Re: Anyone want to play again? (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You keep telling us you built an ark, but look at this floor; the boards don't even align the same way. And why would you keep the snakes and not the unicorn?