Silence is quite responsive; it says a great deal should one listen to it. Take care. Vern
277 2018-09-28 22:48:47
Re: Acknowledgements to websites? - Publishing (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
A few answers:
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I have read well-researched novels that include either long dedications or sections at the end in which they thank the authors of their research source materials.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:43 PM on September 9, 2009
You could just compile a normal bibliography and add it to the end with a note of explanation. I love it when fiction writers do that, especially when they annotate a bit, regardless of whether their sources are still alive.
posted by mareli at 1:14 PM on September 9, 2009
Not as far as I know, and I'm hoping to publish my first historical novel soon (big departure for me and I am thrilled). Because I am a crazy hyper-researching person I did immense amounts of research, and nobody has, to my knowledge, come up with a "best-practices" document about how best to acknowledge research sources in fiction.
Some people I think do it well are Pat Barker and Thomas Mallon.
posted by Sidhedevil at 1:35 PM on September 9, 2009
So long as plagiarism itself is avoided, there is no expectation that an author must credit his or her research sources in fiction. Many fiction authors don't include any acknowledgment at all. However, it is certainly nice when an author acknowledges their sources, either in an acknowledgments page (this works especially well when the author's research was based in interpersonal interaction rather than book research) or a bibliography.
If you are questioning whether a specific source merits inclusion in such a mention, let your barometer be both the magnitude of the source's influence on the work, and the use to the reader in listing the source. For example, say you were writing a book about a firefighter in Victorian New York. If part of your research took up several afternoons of a fire chief's time, it would be good to include him in your acknowledgments even though knowing his name will be of little use to the reader. Conversely, if you ended up only explicitly using a nugget or two of information from a book on Victorian firehouses, but you know it to be an excellent resource on the subject, you might include it in your bibliography because of its benefit to the interested reader.
posted by ocherdraco at 2:08 PM on September 9, 2009
You probably heard about how the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail sued for a piece of the Da Vinci Code bazillions. Now, a good portion of the Da Vinci Code really is people sitting around talking about the speculative history developed in Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
They lost. They lost an appeal. They lost about a million pounds reimbursing Random House's legal fees. (All of which speaks somewhat more to legal than ethical.)
As a reader and writer, I'd consider an acknowledgement section in the work to be good enough.
The reference in your last paragraph to putting a real person's words into a fictitious person's mouth opens a whole 'nother can of worms, though. Are words are being quoted verbatim, and, if so, how many? Is it being done just once or how often? Does your character or his/her situation resemble the real person's? Are you presenting the character in a negative light? Is that person living or with an active estate?
posted by Zed at 4:45 PM on September 9, 2009
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One of particular interest imo is the one about Holy Blood Holy Grail. I read that book before The Da Vinci Code and I would have thought Dan Brown would've lost that case easily, but he won. If Holy Blood Holy Grail couldn't win that case, you might get away with copying a whole damn book. Take care. Vern
278 2018-09-26 23:07:18
Re: Killing off Characters (spoilers?) (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
In my novel, Root Hog or Die, I killed off one character literally and two other significant ones figuratively, in that they left the story from that point forward. There was sadness in each case dealt with in context. As your story probably deals in reality to some extent even if fantasy (don't know your genre), people die or move on for various reasons. So too will it be in many a novel. Take care. Vern
279 2018-09-24 22:38:20
Re: caps question - Capitalization (15 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Rules, who needs them? Just text it in all lower case. Take care. Vern
280 2018-09-24 14:50:37
Re: Book of Genesis (15 replies, posted in HodgePodge)
What ch? I can repost on hodge poge no problem
Don't know what/where that is, but no big deal. Good luck going forward with G. Enjoyed the story. Did look forward to Connor going down in flames in court before meeting his demise perhaps as someone's bitch in prison, lol. Take care. Vern
Damn, I realized after I turned the computer off last night that this is the HodgePodge forum. I thought it was another website before my brain kicked back in gear. The mind is a terrible thing to waste. Take care. Vern
Edited to edit edit.
281 2018-09-23 14:39:56
Re: Book of Genesis (15 replies, posted in HodgePodge)
Just deleted it.
Yes, I noticed. I was in the middle of a review. What happened to end of week? I thought it was a glitch till I saw this. Take care. Vern
282 2018-09-23 14:01:46
Re: Book of Genesis (15 replies, posted in HodgePodge)
I'll get a few more reviews by then but won't be able to review all the remaining chapters. I have finished reading the whole thing and will try to include some overall thoughts before you take it down. Good luck with the publishing. Take care. Vern
283 2018-09-21 22:50:07
Re: Opinions desired on "Wanderlust" (8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Haven't read the story, but doesn't really matter since the real question is, "Do people meet, fall in love (or at least think they are) and after a certain amount of time decide to get married and live happily ever after?" Yes, they do. The number of days they spend together before making a lifetime commitment is irrelevant because that number just as well be random since any number of days you choose will have real life adherents from one day to many years before that decision is made and lived with. It happens in real life; it can certainly happen in a novel with no reservation. Anyone who says the situation is unrealistic is out of touch with reality imho. Good luck with the book. Take care. Vern
284 2018-09-18 12:09:47
Re: Visuwords - Only For Word-Nerds (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:njc wrote:It seems to pick random words instead of using the input I gave it.
I think you have to sign up to put in your own stuff. I didn't see any place to do input. If you hit the "Explore" link then it brings up random items to diagram. If you click the "Learn more" link then it wants you to sign up, but still doesn't provide a means to insert your own items to explore. At least that's the way it worked for me. Take care. Vern
It opens with a random word. Then you put any word in. I haven’t signed up for anything. I have used it lots. Works great. In fact, I am not aware that there is anything to sign up for. It’s never asked me, and I don’t even see an option in the menu to “sign up” other than following on Twitter. I do use it only on mobile devices. Never tried it on a normal computer.
Since I didn't see a place to enter a word, I clicked on "Learn more" and still didn't see a place to enter a word, but did see some ads for subscribing to things so assumed you must sign up. Going back in again, I tried the menu and nothing there to enter a word. Finally I did see the faint "visualize a word" in top left corner - not very noticeable but clicked on it and was able to type in a word. You don't get a blank or enter or anything, just type in a word and it works. They probably should have something that says "enter word: or such to make it more noticeable, but for free I guess one can't complain. Take care. Vern
285 2018-09-18 02:11:07
Re: Visuwords - Only For Word-Nerds (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
It seems to pick random words instead of using the input I gave it.
I think you have to sign up to put in your own stuff. I didn't see any place to do input. If you hit the "Explore" link then it brings up random items to diagram. If you click the "Learn more" link then it wants you to sign up, but still doesn't provide a means to insert your own items to explore. At least that's the way it worked for me. Take care. Vern
286 2018-09-14 22:48:04
Re: Which way of traveling the Holy Land is less confusing? - LOTE (11 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
He will indeed demonstrate that he can take care of himself before the tour is over.
Thank God! Christ needing protection by the church seems oxymoronic. Take care. Vern
287 2018-09-14 12:05:02
Re: Which way of traveling the Holy Land is less confusing? - LOTE (11 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
If they really thought he was Christ, you'd think they'd know He doesn't need their protection; more likely they need His. Amazing how some folks, the church, think God is helpless. Armed motorcades for Christ -- I suppose the noise will wake Him up in their minds. Just a thought in passing. Take care. Vern
288 2018-09-13 12:10:08
Re: Which way of traveling the Holy Land is less confusing? - LOTE (11 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I would suggest using the route which best works for what you want to relay at a particular time. In the telling of the story you will be guiding the reader to the next location regardless of where it is and in so doing the reader will understand the purpose of this location whether it is in the historical sequence or not.
Say you take a child to a place which was a part of your earlier life and explain what it meant to you during that time period and then you take him to another place you lived before the child was born and explain your time there; it will not matter to the child that the places you visit are not in the original order you are familiar with. The reader will understand that also within the context of the story presented. Make it easy on yourself in the writing. Simple is generally the correct solution. Good luck. Take care. Vern
289 2018-09-08 23:41:40
Re: Weaving two stories into one (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
As long as the stories connect in a reasonable manner in the end (the beginning would be a plus) then I see nothing wrong with the way you are presenting it. It's really a minimal version of a story within stories method of storytelling (The Arabian Nights being an extreme and well known version). Also, within most mysteries, separate parts of the solution don't come together until near the ending. The primarily separate story lines could be perceived as a "hook" for many trying to figure out how they will eventually connect. If you are convinced the story works as two halves, then that is the way you should proceed with confidence. Good writing. Take care. Vern
290 2018-09-05 23:14:09
Re: How to Handle Criticism (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I would boil it down to, "If you ain't looking for criticism (that means pro and con) then you probably shouldn't be asking for reviews by publishing on a reviewing oriented site. " And if you're overly sensitive, you might want to bathe in salt water for a while to toughen the skin -- and before I get pelted with rotten tomatoes, no, that doesn't give license to rude behavior. Just my take. Take care. Vern
291 2018-09-04 11:59:22
Re: 25 Truths About the Work of Writing (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Number 5, nope, not true. I never quit. I POSTPONE for extremely long periods. Take care. Vern
292 2018-08-23 22:49:57
Re: Who's doing what to whom? (23 replies, posted in HodgePodge)
I can post em but have zero time to reciprocate anything.... might piss off a lot of folks...
Recip not necessary. I'm to the point I mostly review what I want without regard for the norm. Take care. Vern
293 2018-08-23 22:45:51
Re: Book of Genesis (15 replies, posted in HodgePodge)
Way to go, GP. I'll jump on it when I get back from the beach; going to play in The World Amateur Golf Tournament (about 3000 participants of all ages -- and gender -- and handicaps) up and down the Grand Strand. Looking forward to seeing what you've done. Take care. Vern
294 2018-08-22 22:50:44
Re: Can poverty take a life? (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
An income level of $12,140 is considered poverty level in the U.S. in 2018 (25,100 for a family of four). An estimated 43 million people (100 million by some) live at or below the poverty level in America. It is highly likely that if 13 - 33 percent of Americans dropped dead form poverty you would have your concrete answer.
I might add that my family lived in so-called abject poverty until I entered an orphanage at almost nine and none of my family died from it. Absolutely the long term effects of poverty can kill, but not poverty per se. Still, in literature, we often speak in abstract or hyperbolic terms and there is nothing wrong with using such implied concepts in pointed prose. The author is the judge and jury for his work. My no food stamps worth. Take care. Vern
295 2018-08-21 23:04:07
Re: Who's doing what to whom? (23 replies, posted in HodgePodge)
Hi, LL, it's a bit quiet in here. Still waiting on GP to post those Genesis chapters -- I'm starting to get gray, but other than that, all's well. Hope the rock is rolling down hill for you now. Take care. Vern
296 2018-08-21 22:58:28
Re: Climb Down Opinions (8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I see nothing wrong with "climb down/up" per se as it can denote a direction much like the points of a compass, but if the phrase draws attention from the author, one could restate the situation to avoid it entirely. Take the staircase example: "With his advanced arthritis, tackling the rickety staircase wouldn't be a walk in the proverbial park. Nonetheless, once he managed the journey, his old bones didn't squeak as much as those damn steps." Or such depending on context. There's always another means to the end. Take care. Vern
297 2018-08-16 22:54:56
Re: Strongest Start (5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
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Still not visible. Still makes no sense. Take care. Vern
298 2018-08-16 02:31:20
Topic: Strongest Start (5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
How is it that an entry can be posted for The Strongest Start and not be available to read unless you make a connection with the author? Inquiring minds want to know. Makes no sense unless it is a bug left by the hacker trying to keep us in the dark. Take care. Vern
299 2018-08-16 02:23:07
Re: POV changes in a short stories (18 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
So, the site was hacked and evidently some posts were deleted (among other actions) to counter that activity; I suppose that is why a post that used to be in this space is no longer here. Perhaps Putin needs some good stories to tell The Donald the next time they get together. Think he might pay royalties? Okay, this ain't a political post; it's the beginning of a mystery thriller. Stay tuned. Take care. Vern
300 2018-08-15 02:21:22
Re: POV changes in a short stories (18 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I don't mind when our threads stray a little, but I do detest ultracrepidarians.
Learn something new every day. Thanks, MJ, for increasing my vocabulary. Must admit I'd never heard "ultracrepidarians" before so had to look it up. Learning new stuff is the best part of threads going off target at times. Take care. Vern