jack the knife wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
jack the knife wrote:

I would guess close to none, but that's not the point, it seems to me.

I see.  Thank you.
Well, I wasn’t really trying to make a point. I was genuinely curious.  But now that you mention it, if selling books is not the point, then what is the point?
Thank you

I don't think selling books to each other here at TNBW is the point. But having links to those books would show the products that result from membership in TNBW and be a reminder that publishing success is possible for those just starting out.

Lordy.  Altruism?  I woulda never guessed THAT was the reason for all the fretting and handwringing over Amazon links on the Book Shelf.  For the love of Pete, we gotta get this fixed quick then.  If Jeff Bezos knew we were on the verge of invoking a TNBW State of Emergency because we’re afraid of the new folks losing hope, I bet he’d have his minions at Amazon on this PDQ.  We need a hero.  Anybody know Jeff’s Twitter handle?

jack the knife wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Just curious - is the Book Shelf feature on this site a significant source of sales for authors on this website?   For example, in a month, how many books would you guess you sell from having the link here?

I would guess close to none, but that's not the point, it seems to me.

I see.  Thank you.
Well, I wasn’t really trying to make a point. I was genuinely curious.  But now that you mention it, if selling books is not the point, then what is the point?
Thank you

Just curious - is the Book Shelf feature on this site a significant source of sales for authors on this website?   For example, in a month, how many books would you guess you sell from having the link here?

jack the knife wrote:

Okay, I added the Amazon links to my books to the bio on my profile page. I think they work.

Attaboy...

jack the knife wrote:
SolN wrote:

Yes, Amazon changed their protocol. For now, you may want to link to any books you have published via your profile. It's unclear if Amazon is going to allow us to show the bookshelf anymore. We're looking into some alternatives.

So how do we post those links, Sol?

Stick it in your profile ...
https://www.amazon.com/Skeleton-Run-Joh … 00V5FWG3I/

Mark S. Moore wrote:

Hi All,

Has anyone ever started a forum thread to post your author websites, twitter handles...etc?

Would anyone be interested in that? I'd love to follow some of you and check out your websites. Jack the Knife has been kind enough to broaden my view on Twitter and helped me find lots of interesting people to follow.

Seems like your profile would be the place for that ...

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Suin wrote:

How was your ROI when you published yourself, Bill? There are two major reasons why I'd be reluctant to go down the indie publishing route;
1. You have to invest in editors, cover artists & marketing experts but if your book doesn't do well, it could all be money down the drain. With a publisher, they'd take the hit if the book is a flop.
2. You have to invest a lot of time in learning and researching about different vendors & figuring out how to market it.
Are these valid concerns or am I wrong somewhere/overthinking things?

Though it’s changing, I think it’s still safe to say that today “most” writers that self-publish do so because 1) they can’t get an agent to represent them, 2) they can’t get a publisher to accept their work, or 3) don’t bother trying to get published traditionally because they don’t have the confidence they will be successful at either 1 or 2. 

So, whereas anyone can make the choice today to self-publish, to “get published” traditionally is not really a “choice” for the preponderance of writers as much as it is an aspiration.

Note: For anyone inclined to give me the one-in-a-hundred-thousand success story, please spare me/us; I/we get it.  I concede the point that some people truly do have this choice.  I am referring to “most” not “all.”

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Good, concise article.  Thanks.

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Dirk B. wrote:

The site works on a very old Android phone of mine, so I assume it works for newer ones too. Also, I believe Temple uses an iPad. Not sure about the iPhone.

The forum works on all platforms

Patricia T. O'Conner has recently published a fourth edition of her excellent and popular grammar guide:
Woe Is I: The Grammarphobe's Guide to Better English in Plain English (Fourth Edition) 4th Edition, Kindle Edition
by Patricia T. O'Conner
https://www.amazon.com/Woe-Grammarphobe … 07F5Z2N7Y/

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Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:
Kdot wrote:

Oi! Quit revising or it'll never get writ.

I had the same thought when I saw the sixth version of--Chapter One.

I’ll buy this as the prevailing notion, but it kinda depends on your objective.  I follow it now, but I didn’t in the beginning, and I don’t regret a single revision. 

When I was first learning to write, I revised ad nauseum as I got feedback from people who were more skilled than I was.  I used the effort as a concentrated way to hone my craft.  Once I got to the point where my craft was satisfactory and I could write something decent after a few passes, I stayed more with the rule of “just keep writing” that everyone touts.  I’m not saying the way I did it was right, but it worked for me, so I say, if you want to keep honing an isolated Chapter as a means of “improving your craft” then, you go girl.

If revising becomes a means of procrastination, that’s different, of course

For writers that are more disciplined and that aim to spend that 10,000 hours that it takes to master a craft, then spending a few weeks writing the same Chapter over and over ain’t no big deal.  So, while I agree generally that you can’t let revising be sand in your gears, when you are in the process of learning to write - you tackle it whichever way works for you, ‘cause no one can blame you for trying to “get the words right.”

I have a copy of a “Farewell to Arms” that has Hemingway’s alternative endings.  There are 39 of them (though 47 were found in his archives).  One of his most famous quotes is:  “I wrote the ending of ‘Farewell to Arms’ 39 times before I was satisfied.”  But that’s not exactly accurate. It’s a misquote from an interview, and what’s missing is the most important part (in bold below):

Hemingway: It depends. I rewrote the ending of Farewell to Arms, the last page of it, 39 times before I was satisfied.
Interviewer: Was there some technical problem there? What was it that had stumped you?
Hemingway: Getting the words right.

— Ernest Hemingway, The Paris Review Interview, 1956.

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MadJack wrote:

Yes I plan on posting in the premium group. Just did not have enough credits to do so as I just joined. Thank you for the info!  Much appreciated.

A better solution than creating your own narrowly focused Group is to break your submission up and post the first part in Premium or post the entire thing in an existing open Group with many members:  The Next Big Writer Basic Group.
https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/group- … er-basic-2

Dirk B. wrote:

And the winner is:

Romano’s heart pounded. He knelt and prayed for protection of the orphanage.

I decided the partial quote didn't work/was too clunky.

Amen

You asked, so I assume you want the unvarnished truth that is me ...

I think you have a tendency to bog down your narratives with irrelevant (to the reader) details, killing your pace.  It’s a “thriller” first and foremost (if it’s not, well, then you’re ostensibly writing for yourself, and if that’s the case, it doesn’t much matter). You are also trying to build tension. Quickest way to fail at that is to put in stuff that pulls the reader out of the fictive dream (to look for a Bible or to call to memory something).  To succeed, keep short beats, don’t use passive structures, take out all unnecessary words, save the wordcount for something else.  So, I’d strip it down, move on, and find something else to wring your hands over ...

There are several derivatives possible from these options, depending on how spare you want to be.

Romano trembled.  His heart pounded. He knelt and prayed. [“Deliver us, O Lord, from evildoers; protect us ...”]
Cut out the part in brackets to be even leaner.

OR

Romano’s heart pounded. His clasped hands trembled as he knelt and prayed [for] the Lord [to] protect the orphanage from evil. [“Deliver us, O Lord, from evildoers; protect us ...”]
Cut out the part in brackets to be even leaner.

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

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Oh, look at the delusional ESL student thinking she understands the English language yet.

Seriously?  That’s all you got?

  It comes down to your posting an irrelevant-to the-topic ad-hominem picture (evidently  because English words, grammar, syntax, and contextual meaning still come hard to you), and I respond with relevant fact concerning your feeble capability to perform on TNBW.

Aww, Chuck ...  You big brute, you.  You’re such a tease. *blushes*
Seriously, you gotta start writing shorter sentences with smaller words, ‘cause I just don’t have a clue what your trying to say, hon.  But I applaud your effort. Have you ever tried utilizing your “sense of humor” organ or has that one atrophied from disuse as well?

LOL

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

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Oh, look at the delusional ESL student thinking she understands the English language yet.

Seriously?  That’s all you got?   The sandbox “I'm rubber, you're glue” riposte?   Seriously, Chuck, with that big “a-brain” of yours, I expected more.  What’s next — “Sticks and stones ...?  “Nanny-nanny-boo-boo...?” Or maybe a juvenile ditty from your mentor:  “I’m not the puppet; you’re the puppet.”

Jeesh ...you’re slipping, Chuck ...

PS:  You might check out Clairedeplume’s latest submission.  I read it and thought only of you .... https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/postin … thon-25606

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

It has been revealed by the noted theosophical scholar, Emo Philips, the one true faith of the Christian religion is now certainly the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council 0f 1912 whose King Bubba Bible begins Psalm 140: Deliver me, O Lord, from the evil man: preserve me from Trump.

LOL Unfortunately for you, it is too late to preserve you from Trump (aka Putin's Puppet or Pee Pee for short); well, that is until the pathological liar fires himself from office. But you served him well. Hey, maybe you can tell Pee Pee how to get Mexico to pay for his Great Big Beautiful Wall. Take care. Vern

Would that my words were true or a genuine expression of opinion for any reasonable person, any reply true or false might apply, but I keep to  the absurdity and vapid content of this thread and its genesis, viz., Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), for, in part, the wording of any prayer from the same source, The Bible, is not the same according to Jew, Catholic or Protestant, nor certainly to any atheist who will deny its divine origin whether that be opinion or statement of fact which is relevant.

http://www.assignmentpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Delusional-Disorder-1.jpg

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vern wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
B Douglas Slack wrote:

I don't consider what I offered as "overinformation" or even TMI.
Bill

I know it.  That’s why I posted it.  Best of luck with your surgery.

Wit is something you can't overshare; well, at least imho. Take care. Vern

Amen, brother ...

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B Douglas Slack wrote:

I don't consider what I offered as "overinformation" or even TMI.
Bill

I know it.  That’s why I posted it.  Best of luck with your surgery.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-a … definition

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First hit when you Google “What is the word count for a YA Novel”

https://www.writersdigest.com/editor-bl … itive-post

Info on the author of that article:
http://www.chucksambuchino.com/?page_id=5

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

You can invite Charly Ring, Bevin Wallace, Bill Weldon, and Van Alsen.

When I see you go off into your conspiracy theory blathering.

A conspiracy requires more than one actor.

You take yourself WAY too seriously, Chuck.  Which is kinda ironic, since nobody else does ...
You enjoy your New Year’s Eve ... g’night *kiss*
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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

A blurb for my profile page. I'd say thank you, but no.

Ah, don’t bother.  I doubt anyone’s reading your profile page either ...

You can invite Charly Ring, Bevin Wallace, Bill Weldon, and Van Alsen.

When I see you go off into your conspiracy theory blathering, it makes me think of this:

“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

AND, while I’m Heller-ing, one you can relate to ...

“Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity ...”
― Joseph Heller

PS: You’re gonna have to get wittier, Chuck; you’re making me do all the heavy lifting in this relationship ... these lame retorts may work in the “Incels Unite” sub-Reddit, but we got humor standards to uphold here, so get funny or scoot back under the bridge, darn it.

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Oh, goody!  TNBW’s streaming “Battle of the Language Pedants” again, staring fan favorite, Pulitzer Prize winning author of (seriously, I shit you not) “Examination of Serious Coincidence Through Dialogue with The Dark Prevailer, Part 24,“ and humorist extraordinaire——*drum roll*——Charles Eff Bell!!!

A blurb for my profile page. I'd say thank you, but no.

Ah, don’t bother.  I doubt anyone’s reading your profile page either ...

Since we have crossed WAY (“up” and) over the Rubicon, in an effort to counterbalance the heady discourse from your pedagogical faction, I’m gonna point out that in certain cases, the “up” can make a real difference, for example:

Up Chuck vs Chuck
Effed Up vs  Eff
Up Chuck’s vs Chuck’s
...which leads me, of course, to the bottom line ...
Chuck Eff vs Eff Chuck

PS: I think I can make a haiku or even a limerick outta that, gimme a bit ...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Kdot wrote:

hey all. Sorry to wade into this. Here's some interesting data.

Note: Germanic languages take prepositions on their native verbs. They generally don't on borrowed Latin verbs.
examples:
Eng: Bob climbed up
Lat: Bob ascended
Eng: Bob climbed down (Remember this beastie from another thread?)
Lat: Bob descended

This is part of a general debate French speakers have learning English:
Bob walked across the street
Bob traversait la rue
In Romance languages you just cross the street. It's hard to understand why in English you have to cross-across the street.

Back to the point. Stolen verbs in English don't need prepositions. "Stood" is not stolen. Ergo it takes the preposition.
That said, "Bob crossed the street" has worked its way into the language illegally. If English had language police, this use would have been banned 100 years ago, and the language would still look like Elizabethan times.

Consider: "Bob crossed the street"
By default, middle English speakers would ask: Crossed with what?
Modern English speaker: Crossed intransitively, of course.

In German you can't simply say "to go the street" but rather übergehen die Straße -- Helmut geht über die Straße. Old English words like "go" (gān) and "stand" (standan) like Modern English have context given to them by use with prepositions or adverbs because the words being so ancient have several shades of meaning, and stand up will have a different meaning than stand down even to the extent of having totally different but not opposite meanings.  Bob crossed the street is a slippery hybrid abbreviation ("illegal")  for Bob goes across the street because literally Bob would be making the sign of the crucifix, or an "x" over or on the street.  Words and phrases that morph into less precise meaning is illegal (against institutions of culture) in the sense that we should not give in to deconstructionist mindset when communicating or engage ourselves in NewSpeak that deliberately obfuscates by blurring and obliterating meaning {see: George Orwell).

Oh, goody!  TNBW’s streaming “Battle of the Language Pedants” again, staring fan favorite, Pulitzer Prize winning author of (seriously, I shit you not) “Examination of Serious Coincidence Through Dialogue with The Dark Prevailer, Part 24,“ and humorist extraordinaire——*drum roll*——Charles Eff Bell!!!
Hurry, Bob, grab the Jiffy Pop!
...Bob?
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