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For light fare (most genre fiction), I don’t find names helpful.  I find it distracting and a little presumptuous.  The exceptions might be humorous fiction and loose or episodic narratives.

For heavier fare, such as literary fiction with complex narratives and historical fiction, I find chapter titles helpful reference points (especially if the novel is long and has multiple plot lines.)


Some food for thought from an article at nybookeditors (emphasis is mine)


“There are three major benefits to titling your chapters.

Titles provide hints of what to expect within the chapter. Your title can motivate the reader to continue pushing through the novel to see what will happen next.

Titles provide easy reference points for the reader. Some readers like to refer back to an incident that happened earlier in the novel. Titles can serve as useful reference points.

Titles define and differentiate one chapter from the next. Sometimes, chapters blend together. Titles can help to distinguish and provide a small glimpse into the purchase of each chapter.

While titles may be natural for some novels, it can be jarring or disruptive for others. Use your writer’s discretion when coming up with a title for your chapters and, if you don’t feel good about the titles you’ve chosen, simply use numbers instead.

https://nybookeditors.com/2017/09/your- … -chapters/

Another article:
https://www.standoutbooks.com/how-write … -headings/

njc wrote:

Some of them are rich hacks.  Which matters more: the praise of your professional peers or of your present and future audience?  I'm not saying you can't have both, but some of those hacks have created stories that fill C.S.Lewis's definition of myth: a story that can suffer changes in plot, character, place, and era, and still remain recognizable as the same story.

Put The Phantom of the Opera in ancient Greece, replace opera with the plays and choruses, and it would be the same central story.  Replace the congenital deformation with acid scarring, and you have the same central story.

Convince me that Gaston Leroux was not a hack writer.  He was a newspaperman, and his stories were sold as serials.  And he gave us not only Phantom but The Mystery of the Yellow Room, a classic of mystery/detective fiction.

Know the rules, yes.  But know when they can be broken to gain something else.  Be not afraid to boldly split the infinitive, if it will take you where no story has gone before.

If Gaston Leroux doesn't convince you, what about Damon Runyon?

I concede: hacks are legion.  I concede: some make good money at it (and judge that a success).  There are also plenty of writers who created unappreciated art in their time and died paupers—but whose work was later revered and will live for the ages.  Like I said: you can find examples that support any thesis.  (You can also find people who still purport the world is flat.) 

It is said, “You write what you like to read.”

I concede: some writers aspire to be nothing more than hacks. If being a hack is your thing, and you want to carry that torch, then God bless you—screw POV and spelling and consistent verb tense—embrace the color purple, clunky sentences, clichés, lousy metaphors—boldly split your infinitives, aim for mediocrity and books that only get puff reviews from your on-line confederates (who don’t bother to actually read them, but give a bs review and 5-stars in hopes you’ll return the favor so they can be a “5-star success” while their ranking is 3,455,456  in the “hack wannabe” genre and they sell six copies in as many years), aim to go where so many have gone before, instead of blazing your own trail, and hack on ...

However, some writers write for a different purpose.  They aim to constantly perfect their craft and strive to create something that outlasts them.  There’s a place in this world for all kinds.  Maybe don’t discourage them from striving for something more while you settle for something less.

Rachel Parsons wrote:

For beginning writers, care about POV is part of learning the craft, but after a while, the story's flow is the crucial thing.

I think you’d be hard-pressed to find any successful writer that would agree with the statement:  “the story’s flow is the crucial thing.”  I think this is particularly bad advice on a site like this where we are all more or less beginners, even those of us who have published multiple works — or we wouldn’t be here.  And as beginners, learning all aspects of craft is crucial.  You can always find a writer that is the exception to the rule, but generally speaking, understanding and being disciplined with POV is a basic writing skill, just like grammar and punctuation, and shouldn’t be minimized. 

Undisciplined writers usually end up as hacks.

Dirk B. wrote:

My latest attempt. The reference to radar suggests he's scanning, which is confirmed the next time he speaks.

While the senior exorcist continued to pray, Connor closed his eyes and furrowed his brow. He turned his head slowly from side to side, like a radar dish.

no radar dish

Also, in this case, you might want to not have the furrowing be “active”.  Consider: Connor clenched his eyes shut.  His brows bunched, and he ....

Dirk B. wrote:

He's actually doing more than concentrating. He's sensing things others cannot. Think of it as scanning from side to side with his mind.

The reader will never get this unless you explain it through dialogue or speculation (or it’s happened before and is already explained).  This is simple enough to do.  Have your POV character (afterward) ask what Connor was doing with the head turning thing, and have Connor explain it.  Without finding a way to make the reader understand, it’s just a confusing movement.  It’s also possible to get inside your POV character’s head and let them speculate.  ...moving his head from side to side, as if scanning, searching for something within.  (rough, but you get the drift).  The POV character speculating through indirect or direct internal dialogue is also a way to “explain” the gesture of intense concentration.  So, putting it all together, you get:  Connor clenched his eyes shut and proceeded to move his head slowly back and forth, as if searching with his mind.  Again, rough, but this gives you better concentration and solves your POV problem.  With direct internal dialogue, you get: (in italics) What’s he doing?  Can he see ... with his mind?

It’s a POV slip.  But more importantly, it’s an intrusion by the author to explain an expression/action.  The better solution is to come up with a description that, when coupled with context, does the work of conveying the emotion or action without the writer interfering to explain it.  It’s ostensibly no different than the weak: “He clenched his fists in anger.”   

Another issue is this: “He turned his head slowly from side to side.” To me this not only adds nothing to the notion of “concentration,” it confuses what’s happening. 

I’ll bet if you concentrated really hard you could come up with a way of describing intense concentration without having to explain to the reader that your character is intensely concentrating.

Frankly, I imagine that context is enough to let the reader know what Connor is doing without the added text (and associated handwringing).

Basically, if you have to explain an expression or a gesture, then your description failed.

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I have several books that address the topic, but it’s not a “book length” topic in and of itself.  Just Google "how to write a great antagonist" and you’ll find plenty of solid articles and blog posts to bury yourself in.

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John Hamler wrote:

you did say you're mostly in it for the money, so...

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Consider that it could be a failure of the reviewer to be able to distinguish between “run-on sentences” and “sentences that run on and on and on and on ... ”
(That’s a joke, Ray - aka “Cranky Old Bastard”)

Linda Lee wrote:

Hi Ray

1.    Click ‘Post your Writing’ tab from the home page header.
2.    Click the red button labeled; ‘Add New Content’
3.    Fill in the form, making sure to choose ‘book’ from the 1st dropdown
4.    Click the button on the bottom of the page marked; ‘submit basic information and summary’
5.    Choose the cover you desire
6.    Click ‘upload image and create your cover’ or ‘use TNBW generic cover’ buttons on bottom of page when done
7.    Click the “Next’ button on bottom of page
8.    Click Add Chapter
9.    Fill out form at top of page, enter chapter content on bottom of page, then click ‘Next’ on bottom of page
10.    Choose your publishing options then click red button.
11.    When ready, click the green button to ‘Publish’

To add a new chapter to the above project:
1.    Click “Post Your Writing’ tab from the home page header
2.    Scroll down your portfolio list for the name of the book you’d like to add to.
3.    On the right side of that book listing, there is a small ‘Action’ tab which brings a drop down menu—click ‘add chapter’
4.    Fill out to form to indicate the chapter number and other information. Paste your content in the appropriate window and hit next.
5.    Fill out publishing info and follow the same final steps as above.
6.    Rinse and repeat for future chapters.

Once you've added all your current chapter content to a new single book project, you can delete your old one so people don't get confused.

ray ashton wrote:

I followed the goddamned instructions ...

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ray ashton wrote:

I can't for the life of me figure out how to make that work. I could sure use a little help. Thanks much in advance.

Ray

Instructions.  The video on this link walks you step by step through a book with Chapters...
https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/guide/ … structions

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Dirk B. wrote:

How about the winner(s) get their main work spotlighted on the home page for a week? Could have a Contest Winners section up temporarily. Not too long since that would annoy Temple and Vern. Leave the cash in the bank to pay for ongoing enhancements.

You must have me confused with someone in your imagination because you could leave the winner up forever as far as I'm concerned -- actually there is a section for the winners already.

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vern wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
B Douglas Slack wrote:

And, what's your problem with this, pray tell?

Bill

Perhaps I misunderstood.  I thought you were joking ...

I don't know if it's a joke or not, but at present you don't pay money or points to enter a contest. Any money paid is to subscribe to the site, which of course would get you into any and all contests at no charge of any kind other than preparing a submission if so desired. And any newcomers which presumably contests are meant to entice would not have accumulated points to enter a points contest other than of course the free points they get for subscribing and thus it is again free for being a member of the site. Another line of thought would be that what possible good would a prize of points be to the many on site who have already accumulated more points than they will ever use. Could be a problem, so I'm just throwing things out to ponder should it be of interest. Take care. Vern

Thanks for the save.  My caustic brain couldn’t figure out a way to reply without being sardonic.  My filter’s clogged.

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B Douglas Slack wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

... image removed ...

And, what's your problem with this, pray tell?

Bill

Perhaps I misunderstood.  I thought you were joking ...

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B Douglas Slack wrote:

How about making a contest that requires points to enter and not money? I have a feeling that a lot of aspiring authors would like to enter a contest, but simply don't have the money. A payout of points would be the prize. If you tie a percentage of the amount of entry points to the prize, then the more that enter would raise the payout amount. Bill

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

If I point out to someone one time that they need to make sure quotation marks are both before and after their dialogue, I don't feel it necessary to highlight it every time in the remainder of the chapter.  If I point out they are constantly changing tenses, then any writer who is serious about their work will go through the entire chapter and make necessary changes.  I don't see the need to keep pointing it out.  Therefore, your 5,000-word chapter with 25 paragraphs may only be highlighted by me in the first 10 paragraphs if you repeat your mistakes throughout

... but why would you expect the writer to make all the effort?  Shouldn’t you as the reviewer be willing to spend three hours fixing poor craft and lazy self-editing?  How dare you!!

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Max Boyce wrote:

8. The Next Big Writer
This is an international forum where writers can receive feedback on their writing and support on every other part of the creative process from drafting to publishing and marketing. The critiques are often thorough and many come from published authors. Keep in mind that there is a monthly cost associated with the membership, but it might be worth it to be able to bend the ear of published authors.

Perfect for: writers seeking in-depth critiques from an international audience.

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

Contests always bring in new blood, and some of them actually stick around a while.

I’m not being argumentative, but is that really true?  Maybe a long time ago, but the last few years it seems like contests merely stir the pot of regulars PLUS pull in lurkers (not being derogatory, but referring to those who don’t contribute much otherwise, but pitch in to the forum and seem game for a contest—sorry, Vern, LOL that resembles you too).  I’m not suggesting it’s a bad idea, but I see contests more as making a fluffy meringue of the leftover eggs as opposed to contributing new ingredients for a cake.  Metaphorically speaking ...

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Dirk B. wrote:

I agree, Temple. If they're not willing to shell out $9, then they're either not serious or they didn't see enough in the week-long trial to join. I'd still argue for a longer trial.

Course, maybe the newbies are reading the opining of the curmudgeons and malcontents on this forum ... LOL

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PS: Vern, although you are a curmudgeon of the highest order, I am specifically excluding you from this (joking) slight.

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Dirk B. wrote:

I would add a monthly paid rate to allow new members to see just how great this site is, then decide to buy a longer membership to save $.

https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/guide/about-us

Monthly Plan: Only $8.95 per month.
Quarterly Plan: Only $21.95 per quarter (less than $7.50 per month).
Yearly Plan: Only $69.95 per year (less than $6.00 per month).

I mean if you aren’t willing to shell out $9, how serious can you be...

I’m curious to hear from you, Dirk, what is it about this site you think makes it so “great” (I’m not disagreeing, mind you, just curious how you’d sell it.).

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To anyone who feels you’re not getting the number of reviews or the quality of reviews you believe you “deserve” — rather than blaming the site, the system, or the other members, stop at the next mirror you pass and take a good, long look.   Ask yourself if “you” are part of the problem.  Blaming others is a tactic of the weak ... just read the news ...

Also, consider the flow of work and flow of “contributing” new members is cyclical.  There is no rhyme or reason to the cyclicality as far as I have observed, though there are definite patterns.  For example, there is always a lull in activity going into the holidays; the number of (contributing) new members goes down and the regular members slow their pace.  Any slowdown gets exacerbated because a slowdown naturally puts a constriction on the points system.

Just write ...



All writers are vain, selfish, and lazy, and at the very bottom of their motives there lies a mystery. Writing a book is a horrible, exhausting struggle, like a long bout of some painful illness. One would never undertake such a thing if one were not driven on by some demon whom one can neither resist nor understand.” -George Orwell

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vern wrote:

I disagree with expanding the free trial period. In fact I think it is more of a hindrance to being a meaningful member. The free trial only encourages those who aren't already serious about writing. They see an opportunity to throw something out and get some "applause" without really having to commit to reading and reviewing to gain enough points to publish beyond a sparse beginning. And then when they don't receive the expected accolades, they simply quit without any investment having been made. Yes, there are/may be exceptions to my skepticism, but if so, they are few and far between.

“Amen,” the lady in Fulham mutters.  “Er um.  Second, I mean.”
*grumbling from the whinging Nays*
*foreman bangs gavel*
“Order!” he shouts. “I have a second.  Those in favor?”
...

Dirk B. wrote:

I'm curious what people think of setting descriptions. How much is too much?

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“Thrrrrree”

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Sunday Writing Tip: Remove Unnecessary Dialogue from Your Scenes
By Janice Hardy, @Janice_Hardy
[this is an excerpt - full link: http://blog.janicehardy.com/2019/10/sun … html#more]
boldface is mine...

There’s often a lot of empty dialogue in scenes, especially the beginnings of them. Characters greet each other and make small talk before they get to the meat of their conversations. Most of the time, that small talk weakens the scene and hurts the pacing.

It’s also common to find characters saying too much in a scene and giving away all the mystery and/or tension. They’re too open about their feelings, or too self-aware about how they feel. They might also answer questions just because the plot needs them to, when being true to themselves and staying quiet makes for a stronger story.

As they say, less is more, and that’s particularly true with dialogue.
[end of article]

A few observations:

Too often, we writers feel as if we must track every movement of a scene, filling our writing with needless “turning” and “facing” and “looking” and other useless stage directions.  Just as the eye will “see” a star even if two sides are missing, the viewer of a movie or the reader of a story can fill in a surprising amount of missing information (read up on the concept of the “jump cut” in film editing.) This is also true in dialogue.  The best way to completely ruin dialogue is to mimic real life, with all its filler and nonsensical syntax.  Unanswered questions, indirect answers, and missing information help create the mystery and the subtext that is so often critical to making dialogue enjoyable.  Writers who don’t leave anything to the imagination of their readers (in dialogue, narrative, or action) do a disservice to them. 

Janice also makes a point about creating dialogue to provide plot information.  While this can be accomplished if done with aplomb, most of the time it comes off contrived and unrealistic.  Be wary of having characters go on monologues to pass on plot information or creating exchanges that come off contrived.

T

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ray ashton wrote:

Nah, afraid not, Temple. Needed 2.06 points, had exactly that, published the piece to the everybody-group, and ended up with a post without points to be earned. Added 0.43 points,  et voila, there it is, complete with points. On the 'book' issue, yeah, I got it.

Pssst...there is no “everybody-group”
Seems you finally got it.
And you’re welcome.
Button on your original post allows you to delete this topic.  That’s what a wise man would do.