Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

“I don’t give a shit what you say, Vern.  I’m going to stick every useless word I can imagine in my prose, and you can’t stop me.  You or Empress Wang and her ‘delete’ remarks.  I’ll tell you, I’ve had just about enough of that persnickety Chinese bitch.”

... stick ... into ... 

To stand up specifically refers to the process of moving from a seated or bent position to an upright position; obverse, sit down; therefore, that useless word up changes the meaning from a vague standing to a clear movement of action. This is probably not something taught in ESL.  Stood up from the table is precise and stood from the stable is vague, possibly from any manner of distance, except to say not sitting at, near, under, behind, on, or at a mile away.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, CHUCK!!!  I knew this one would bring you skittering out from under the baseboards eventually.  I missed your misogynistic, racist quips. What the hell took you so long?

ESL ... that’s funny, Chuck.  I bow to your far greater knowledge of English.  You have writing skills and command of English I could never hope to come close to.

While I will grant you that “... stick ...into” is grammatically correct for narrative, what you are picking at is dialogue.  Dialogue needs to “sound” realistic, not look grammatically correct, necessarily.  To that end, the “in” sounds better to my ear as dialogue in that sentence for the character “I” created.    But, then again, dialogue is in the “ear of the listener,” so if “your” characters want to “stick into” then by all means have your characters “stick into.”   Or, you could have them “stick it up” your ...oh, never mind. *blush*

As for the rest of what you wrote, golly, Chuck, it’s just too highfalutin for me to understand ‘cause me no speaky Engrish velly good.  But I’m sure you got a point in there somewhere, and I’m sure it’s right, because English bein’ your first language an’ all, I wouldn’t dare question you. 

So, in closing, if you wanna stand “up,” Chuck, well, by golly, you go ahead and do it.  Precisely.  But take care when you do stand up that you don’t bump your chitinous carapace or antennae on the baseboard.

PS: check the bottom of your tarsi for horseshit from when you “stood from the ‘stable’ ”...

PSS: you really oughta lighten up, Chuck.  Humor makes it all worth it.  Your gonna have a stroke if you don’t, and God would I miss messin’ with you.

And Happy New Year, and may all your trolling in 2019 be joyous.

Memphis Trace wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Lordy.  What an ado about nothing ... “stood up” is fine “stood” is fine.

Dirk stood from the table.
Dirk stood up from the table.

They both mean precisely the same thing—and neither are confusing.

They may mean the same thing depending on context.
My first thought on your first sentence was that Dirk stood away from the table—that he was waiting for the table to be set, or some such.
The second sentence seems unambiguously to say that Dirk was seated at the table and rose.

As writers we should strive to eliminate ambiguities like this.

Memphis Trace

It’s a good bet the sentence would not appear in isolation.  The context would be Dirk and Vern sitting at a table:

“I don’t give a shit what you say, Vern.  I’m going to stick every useless word I can imagine in my prose, and you can’t stop me.  You or Empress Wang and her ‘delete’ remarks.  I’ll tell you, I’ve had just about enough of that persnickety Chinese bitch.”

“Go on, then, damn your hide.”  Vern flung his half-eaten waffle at the cat, which yowled and darted into the living room. 

Dirk stood from the table.  “I will.  Just watch me.  But first, I’m going to find Memphis Trace and teach that old fart about context, ambiguities, and how to stand up.”  He broke wind silently and stormed out the door.

:-)
Just messin’ with you, Memphis.  If you need “up” to understand “stand” clearly, well then, by God, you use “up”—and tell me and anyone else who doesn’t need “up” to blow it out our arses....  Now, stand “up” and have a Happy New Year!!!

Dirk B. wrote:

My hobby is asking seemingly harmless questions that mushroom into nuclear war with hypersonic weapons. If that doesn't make the hair on your neck stand/stand up, then I/me don't know what will.

You’d think you’d know better by now ... LOL
I bet when you were a kid you “silent-farted” in church just to watch the reactions ...

vern wrote:

Well, yeah, but this is my hobby while I wait for appropriate weather for golf. And my fellow poker players prefer me to do this than take their money, lol. Take care. Vern

Well, then, rant til your heart’s content, old friend ... and may Spring arrive none too soon to wash away this orange that stains us ...

njc wrote:

'stood' alone implies stasis.  'stood up' implies movement.

Au contraire, Sauteriot,
Stood is merely the past tense of “stand”—an action verb.  “He stood” is an action that has occurred, which you use when writing in past tense.  It has to be taken in context.  As proof: “He stood from the chair.”  In present tense, you write, “He stands from the chair.”  “He is standing” implies stasis (of a sort). “He stood” only implies stasis when it has something appended that would imply stasis in context, such as: he stood stiff as a post, he stood in silence, he stood around, he stood over her, he just stood there, etc. (which are still actions, btw, as standing requires the act of acting against the force gravity—unless you are in zero gravity.)

*In Sir Sean Connery’s voice*:  “Thus endeth the lesson.”

I am posting this to help folks with their own self-editing process.  I’m not putting it up here for debate, just FYI.  I don’t agree with all of it, either, but these are simple and damn good starting places for novice writers (which 99% of us here are, even if we like to think we aren’t.)  I’ll leave it up for as long as it’s useful for folks who want tips for improvement OR until the pedants, curmudgeons, and trolls muddy up the comments for everyone. 

These are not mine.  I provided the links to the full articles.

10 Passes: What to Look Out For When Editing
https://writingcooperative.com/how-to-m … 72511edaca
Most articles on editing seem to offer only a few tricks. I have yet to come across a comprehensive editing guide that tells me about the parts of a written piece. To fill that gap, I’ve put together a list of the major areas of improvement.
You should make 10 passes through your entire piece, focusing on each one of these areas one at a time.
    1    Spelling: Fix your typos. Nothing catches the critical eye of the reader like a spelling mistake.
    2    These should be the first and easiest thing to fix. If you struggle with your vs you’re, or there vs their vs they’re, remember that an apostrophe is a contraction, which means it stands in for a missing letter. So you’re is short for you are. It’s is short for it is.
    3    Also, if you use both systems of spelling—British and American—choose one and stick to it.
    4    Basic grammar: Sound out your sentences to check if they sound weird. Make sure your verbs agree with your subjects. Use punctuation correctly, and use complete sentences.
    5    Once you master basic rules, don’t be afraid to break them creatively. For example, use a phrase as a sentence to add emphasis, such as “Let yourself bleed on the page. Red.”
    6    Tense agreement: Perfect use of tenses falls under advanced grammar, but getting it right is one of the best ways to provide the feeling of continuity in your writing. If you are writing in the past tense, continue to write in the past tense throughout, unless you are jumping across times. If you are, make sure to indicate that with your structure and flow (see below).
    7    Active voice: In general, active voice sounds stronger than passive voice, because it implies doing vs being done to. For example, consider “James gambled his life away on one bad deal.” vs “James’ life was gambled away in one bad deal”. Which one has more impact?
    8    Structure and sectioning: It bothers me that Medium won’t let me create paragraphs in this numbered list. Your writing needs to be digestible—no walls of text. Use paragraphs liberally, and vary paragraph lengths. Make sure that every major idea has its own section, and any idea-switch is given its own paragraph.
    9    Flow, length, and variance: Flow is that thing that every pretentious writer talks about but never explains, right? Well, here’s one pretentious writer spilling the dirt. Flow is how your sentences connect to each other. If a sentence feels right after the previous one, and leads into the next, then it is in flow.
    10    A piece that lacks flow feels abrupt in places. You want to avoid that—the more a reader falls into the flow, the better chance they won’t click away or close the book.
    11    Flow can be achieved by A) using transitions to connect your sentences, B) structuring your ideas logically, and C) mixing up the lengths of sentences and ideas to keep the reader engaged. I would put a helpful image here, but Medium won’t let me, so see the end of this section instead.
    12    Descriptive words: Any editing guide will tell you to use more descriptive verbs and adjectives. Writing is storytelling. To make up for the gestures and facial expressions that you cannot implement, use bright words.
    13    For example, “She walked over to my side.” Did she? Or did she shuffle over because she was hesitant? Or did she gambol because she was carefree? Or did she rush, or did she sneak? How was she feeling? Show ideas and behavior with better verbs and adjectives.
    14    Highlights and formatting: Medium is gorgeous, and part of its beauty lies in its simplicity. You don’t have 6 heading sizes, you have 2. You cannot re-align text. However, that also limits you. Wherever you choose to write, use the available formatting options to keep your text interesting. On Medium, that means a lot of bold, italic, and heading text, like I’ve used in this article.
    15    We’re in a new age of writing: attention is a precious resource. Sticking to old ideals about how a reader should behave will get you a half-read piece. Make it easy on your readers by being creative with formatting, and highlighting your important thoughts and points.
    16    Shortening and Optimizing: Unlike me, you want to cut down your piece as much as you can. Efficiency is always appreciated, and your reader doesn’t want to read things that are repetitive or boring.
    17    One harsh exercise says you should force yourself to cut your piece by 20%—this will teach you what is actually necessary and what is not.
    18    Once-over: Always do a final read-through to ensure you haven’t missed any glaring mistakes, and that you enjoyed reading your piece.
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Why I Make 5 Passes: My Personal Editing Process
Ideally, you want to be able to give every aspect of your writing its own time and attention. The more focus you give to each pass, the better your writing will ultimately be.
However, a lot of “helpful” articles fail here: they give you the ideal practice, without considering personal limitations. If the advice is not practical, it’s of no help to anyone.
Listen, editing is an obviously tiring process. I don’t have the time, motivation, or patience to make that many passes, and I assume you don’t either. So here is what my personal process currently looks like:
    1    First, I do one quick pass for spelling, grammar, and tense. This is my strength, so it takes me maybe 10 minutes to go through a 1000 word piece. During this pass, I usually scan for descriptive adjectives and verbs as well.
    2    If I feel particularly motivated, I scan my article for passive voice (using software. See the Making it Easier section). Usually, I skip this step.
    3    Next, I take my time to analyze structure, flow, and variance. This has been my biggest area of improvement in the last year. I’ll move entire sections around if it feels better. Any remaining changes to adjectives and verbs happen during this pass.
    4    Then, I make one quick pass to cut extraneous words and highlight strong statements with bold or italic styling.
    5    Finally, I do one quick read-through to catch any glaring issues.
The most important lesson you can take away from this article is this: create an editing checklist that suits you. Some writers are good with 3 passes, some revise upward of 15 times. At present, I’m happy with 5.
It is true the more you edit, the better your writing becomes. But you must not forget that perfectionism is a thing that exists.


25 Editing Tips for Tightening Your Copy
https://thewritelife.com/edit-your-copy/

Writers rarely spit out their best copy on the first draft. (If you meet a writer who claims to have the secret for doing so, please let the rest of us know.) First drafts — and second drafts and sometimes thirds — exist to hash your ideas out on paper. After you’ve revised your book, story, blog post or article until you can revise no more, you just hand it off to your editor to clean up, right?
Well, that’d be ideal. But most of us don’t have the luxury of hiring an expensive editor to review our personal blog post. And since procrastination is the writer’s best friend, you probably don’t have time to even ask a fellow writer pal take a quick peek for errors.
And so, it falls to you to be your own editor. Is it really possible edit your own work when all the words you just finished writing are so precious? Yes! It can be done — and for the sake of making your writing stand out, it must be done. Grab your red pen, pull up your most recently saved draft, and get to work with these 25 tips to tighten your own copy.
1. Cut long sentences in two
I’m not talking about run-on sentences. Many long sentences are grammatically correct. But long sentences often contain several ideas, so they can easily lose the reader’s focus because they don’t provide a break, leading readers to get stuck or lose interest, and perhaps the reader might get bored and go watch TV instead.
See what I mean? If you spot a comma-heavy sentence, try to give each idea its own sentence.
2. Axe the adverbs (a.k.a. -ly words)
Adverbs weaken your copy because these excess words are not truly descriptive. Rather than saying the girl runs quickly, say she sprints. Instead of describing the cat as walking slowly, say he creeps or tiptoes. The screen door didn’t shut noisily, it banged shut.
Find a more powerful verb to replace the weak verb + weak -ly adverb combo.
3. Stick to one voice
Sometimes it’s necessary to use both first and second person, but that can be jarring for readers. For example, you might start your introduction talking about yourself, then switch halfway through the piece and start addressing the reader. Try to stick to “I” voice or “you” voice throughout one piece of writing.
And if you must switch, start with one and finish with the other. Don’t move back and forth between the two. Your readers will get lost.
4. Remove extra punctuation
A powerful hyphen here and a thought-provoking semicolon there can be effective. But a piece of writing littered with all sorts of punctuation — parentheses, colons, ellipses, etc. — doesn’t flow well.
Oftentimes, you can eliminate these extra pieces of punctuation with commas or by ending a sentence and starting a new one — and that makes your writing that much stronger.
5. Replace negative with positive
Instead of saying what something isn’t, say what it is. “You don’t want to make these mistakes in your writing” could be better stated as “You want to avoid these mistakes in your writing.” It’s more straightforward.
If you find negative statements in your writing that contain don’t, shouldn’t, can’t or another such word, find a way to rewrite them without the “not.” That will probably mean you need to find a more powerful verb.
6. Replace stuffy words with simple ones
Some people think jargon makes their writing sound smart, but you know better. Good writing does not confuse readers. If they need to grab a dictionary to finish a sentence, your writing has room for improvement.
To get your point across, use words people are familiar with. The English language has thousands of words. You can certainly find a shorter or more common word in your thesaurus than a jargony one.
7. Remove redundancies
You don’t need to say the exact same thing with two words. Did you catch the redundant words in that sentence? Here’s a better version: you don’t need to say the same thing with two words.
Brand new, advance planning, basic necessities… the list of these common phrases is longer than this blog post. Check out About.com’s 200 Common Redundancies and then start snipping!
Sometimes sneaky redundancies are separated by an “and.” If you say your sentences are straightforward and to-the-point, they are neither. You don’t need both words. Your sentences are straightforward. Or, your sentences are to-the-point.
8. Reduce prepositions
Though prepositions (of, in, to, for, etc.) are helpful little words, they make sentences more lengthy because they cannot stand alone. Prepositions need lots of friends. By cutting the preposition and the words that follow, you can cut three, four or even five words. Sometimes a prepositional phrase can be replaced with just one more direct word, or cut completely.
An easy way to cut prepositions is to look for opportunities to make something possessive. The car of your neighbor is really just your neighbor’s car.
9. Cut “in order to”
You never need it. If you’re going to the kitchen in order to make a sandwich… Your sentence could be tighter. Because you’re really going to the kitchen to make a sandwich.
That “in order to” makes it take a millisecond longer to arrive at the meaty part of the sentence, which means your story is dragging more than it needs to.
10. Don’t use “start to”
Did you start to walk the dog, or did you walk the dog? Is the car starting to roll down the hill, or is it rolling down the hill? “Start to” is a more difficult phrase to deal with than “in order to,” because sometimes you do need it. But more likely than not, you don’t
Rather than making “start” the active verb, use the verb that’s actually more active — like walking or rolling — to tell your story.
11. Nix “that”
In about five percent of your sentences (total guess from the grammar police), “that” makes your idea easier to understand. In the other 95 percent, get rid of it! “I decided that journalism was a good career for me” reads better as “I decided journalism was a good career for me.”
12. Replace “thing” with a better word
Usually when we write “thing” or “things,” it’s because we were too lazy to think of a better word. In every day life, we may ask for “that thing over there,” but in your writing, calling anything a “thing” does not help your reader. Try to replace all “thing” or “things” with a more descriptive word.
13. Try really hard to spot instances of “very” and “really”
This is a very difficult one to remember. I almost never get it right, until I go back through my copy, and the word jumps out at me, and then I change the sentence to “This is a difficult one to remember.” Because really, how much is that “very” helping you get your point across?
It doesn’t make the task sound more difficult. Same thing with “really.” It’s not a “really” difficult tip to remember. It’s simply a difficult tip to remember. Got it?
14. Make your verbs stronger
“Make” is sometimes used in the same way as “start to,” in place of what could be a stronger verb. For example, I first titled this post, I wrote “25 ways to make your copy stronger.” When I re-read it, I realized the verb wasn’t strong. I’d used “make” as the verb, when it doesn’t tell the reader much at all. So I changed the title to “25 ways to strengthen your copy.” Eventually I realized “tighten” was an even better verb.
15. Ditch the passive voice
As this UNC handout explains, using the passive voice isn’t really wrong. But whenever you have the chances to make your writing clearer, you should  — and avoiding the passive voice is one of those instances.
I know the passive voice when I see it, but I’m bad at explaining it, so I’m going to leave that to Grammar Girl. Explaining grammar is her specialty.
16. Refer to people as “who” not “that”
John is the guy who always forgets his shoes, not the guy that always forgets his shoes. It’s easy to make this mistake because that has become acceptable in everyday conversations. But it’s more noticeable when it’s written down.
17. Avoid “currently”
“Currently” is virtually always redundant. Don’t write: “Tom Jones is currently a communications director.” If Tom Jones is anything, he’s that at that moment; you don’t need “currently” to clarify. Just get rid of it.
18. Eliminate “there is” or “there are” at the beginning of sentences
This is often a symptom of lazy writing. There are lots of better, more interesting ways to start sentences. Oops. See how easy it is to make this mistake? Instead of starting a sentence with “there is,” try turning the phrase around to include a verb or start with you.
For example, replace the sentence above with “Start your sentences in a more interesting way.” If your copy includes a lot of phrases that begin with “there is” or “there are,” put some time into rewriting most of them.
19. Match up your bullet points
Bullet points are a popular and effective way to organize complex ideas. Just make sure your bullets correspond to one another.
Too often, writers mix and match mistakes with what you should do or make transition to shoulds halfway through the post — which only confuses the reader.
If your piece is called 3 Career Mistakes You Don’t Want to Make, here’s a bullet point that works:
    •    Forgetting to tailor your resume each time you apply for a job
Here’s one that doesn’t work (because it’s not actually a mistake — the writer inadvertedly switched to what you should do):
    •    Make sure you tailor your resume
Often you can turn any idea into a tip by adding a verb. For example: “Remember that sitting on your head helps you write better.” Make your bullet points consistent and your writing will read more smoothly.
20. Use contractions
Which sounds more personable: I am heading to the market that is close to my house, or I’m heading to the market that’s close to my house? Contractions make your writing sound friendlier, like you’re (not you are) a real person. And that makes it easier to connect with readers.
Contractions can also make your post easier to read and comprehend. So go out of your way to include them in your posts! Your editor will thank you.
21. Steer clear of the ing trap
“We were starting to …” or “She was skiing toward …” Whenever you see an ing in your copy, think twice about whether you need it — because you probably don’t.
Instead, get rid of were or was, then eliminate that ing and replace it with past tense: “We started to …” or “She skied toward …” Pruning excessive “ings” makes your writing clearer and easier to read.
22. Check your commas with that and which
When used as a descriptor, the word “which” takes a comma. But the word “that” doesn’t. For example: “We went to the house that collapsed yesterday” or “We went to the house, which collapsed yesterday.” Confused about when to use “that” vs. “which?” Grammar Girl offers a great explanation.
23. Replace “over” with “more than” for numbers
Over 200 people did not like your Facebook page — more than 200 people did. Of course, everyone will know what you mean if you use “over.” But using “more than” is one of those little details that will help your writing shine.
24. Hyphenate modifiers
Whenever you modify a noun with more than one word, you need a hyphen. Lots of people don’t follow this rule, so it’s a great way to show you actually walk the walk. That means you need a hyphen if you’re writing about full-time work.
But you don’t need one if you’re working full time. Got it? The exception: No need to hyphenate modifiers that end in “ly.” Those are OK on their own. So your newly hired employee doesn’t need that hyphen.
25. Identify your tells

Happy writing in the New Year ...

j p lundstrom wrote:

Not only 'stood' vs 'stood up,' but remember those old traffic signs that said "No Standing," which meant not to stop your car in a certain place, even if the driver was inside and the motor was running? In other words, no taking up space. I say, if the situation calls for the action of standing up rather than the mere state of standing still, use it!

Authors, gird your loins and write what you want to say!

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles … ted-guide/
LOL

vern wrote:

The problem with language police is they may be correct in one sense, but wrong in another. Sure it is common sense that if someone who is sitting stood, then they must of necessity have stood up. That's a given. However, it is also a given that many, many folks say "stood up" naturally even though common sense would tell them stood says the same thing one word shorter. Our problem as reviewers and authors is that we are "looking" for these picky things to point out as reviewers and we as authors tend to want to delete them when pointed out because it does make sense and less is most always considered better -- after all words cost to print when we become published authors.

I dare say that most of us would not notice the distinction between "stood" and "stood up" before we started our journey toward becoming published authors and began delving into all the do's and don'ts of that coveted goal. We used to read for pleasure as most of the buying public still does. Now, we read with an eye toward finding something wrong, no matter how inconsequential to the story being told. In the end, we as authors must thank the reviewer for their diligence in pointing out such things, but then decide if it is really something that should be a major concern when it is a rare occurrence within the work as a whole.

Therein lies the rub. We hate to make these simple decisions when there is really no right or wrong involved. Our language of choice gives us too many ways of saying the same thing and regardless of what we choose, someone will disagree and they will be right on their end of the continuum. And someone else will be right on the other end of the continuum. When in doubt, go with your gut, or flip a coin. You will be right in someone's eyes, hopefully your own. In essence, we are too picky as reviewers and too malleable as authors. Take care. Vern

Edited to add space between para.

Jesus ... you need a hobby, Vern. LOL

Lordy.  What an ado about nothing ... “stood up” is fine “stood” is fine.

Dirk stood.
Dirk stood up.

Dirk stood from the table.
Dirk stood up from the table.

They both mean precisely the same thing—and neither are confusing.  One version just has two words, one of which is totally superfluous—unless it’s your aim to jack up your word count.  For some (waves hand), useless words like stood “up” and sat “down” and crouched “down” and rose “up” and about 90% of the instances of the word “that” are merely a pet peeve against wasting wordcount.  Why put in a useless word when you can save that precious wordcount for a “great word” (preferably an awesome verb in place of a silly verb/adverb combo like “ran fast”) somewhere else?  It’s a personal preference. If you don’t agree, just ignore it and quit handwringing over minutiae.

Unless of course, Dirk was expecting her to arrive at 5 and she didn’t.  Then he was definitely “stood up.”  LOL

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Commies have ostensibly outlawed Christmas (again) in China, and are clearing out and/or tearing down the Christian churches (again).  And they have millions of Chinese in Xinjiang in labor camps toiling away and having their beliefs washed from their brains to make them peaceful, passive commie-loving sheeple. So, this holiday, despite that even the Starbucks can’t play Christmas music this year, I am thankful knowing it could be far, far worse.  (Like for those Chinese who don’t have access to VPN and to a platform like this and to English and who would otherwise be digitally hunted down and locked away for even thinking much less writing a missive like this).

And I, for one, will take a pause and think about all the people starving and persecuted and fleeing violence and oppression this holiday season.  Enjoy your families and hope for a better tomorrow for not just yourselves and your families, but for all humanity.

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I fought the same demon with my art until I sat down one day and accepted the truth:   If I was meant to be an artist, I wouldn’t need to be compelled by a frequently delinquent muse - the art would want to come out of me and the passion would be with me far more often than it wasn’t with me.  So, I indulge the muse when she visits.  And while I wait for her to favor me with a passion for art in a more permanent way, I focus my effort on expression that compels me and that fills me with passion without needing a “muse”.

Look, if you are happy writing, you’ll write.  If it doesn’t make you happy, then what’s the point of bemoaning it?

And if you REALLY want to know if your stories “suck,” that question is easy to answer.   Submit them for publication and/or submit them to readers (such as us). Publishers and readers are very good at answering that question if you ask enough and if you ask honestly and are willing to accept the answer without being defensive.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

Looking over the homepage, I see no one except Marilyn has bothered to post a cover image for their poem or short story. Fortunately, the book authors have done a good job. Thank you, authors of books.

What many don't realize is that the written word is only one form of communication. Readers are often drawn to a book by the cover. It's not an insult to a writer or a reader. It's just the way some people's brains are wired. Mine is one of those. In school, I had a hard time deciding between a major in art or language.

For those of you whose works are currently appearing in plain, nondistinctive wrappers, I have a few questions.

If you can't be bothered to pull a free image from the internet to set the mood and lure the reader, what does that say about how much you value your own work?

While we're talking about the increasingly lazy attitude of members (in other threads), think about this: why should we care about your work if you don't?

What's the point of having a home page (created with a great deal of effort in the days when the site was being built) that offers readers and authors an opportunity to enhance their stories, poems, etc., with illustrations if no one takes advantage of it?

I wish you'd try a little harder to present your work in an appealing way. It means something to a lot of us.  JP

https://www.google.com/search?q=a+pictu … mp;bih=526

Lordy, that’s a helluva rant over absolutely nothing ... grab an eggnog and chill, girl.

Exactly. Hard to concoct a more compelling antagonist than whichever one is on the front page on any given day. 
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njc wrote:

JM Straczinski likes to say "When you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy."

When you become obsessed with the troll, you become the troll.

Unless you and Charles are the same person, or you're paying him off like Lord Cholmdelmondeleigh in GKC's =A Painful Fall of a Great Reputation= (in =The Club of Queer Trades=).  (Apologies if I missed a syllable in the villain's name.)

njc,
Think of  “troll-baiting” as a cerebral endeavor, nay, a zen-like sport, as opposed to an obsession.  Or perhaps more akin to doing the NY Times crossword puzzles to keep the mind sharp.  Plus, I’m plotting out a new thriller starring a serial killer and would-be assassin who is also a misanthropic online troll who wears pinafores over his wife beater and boxers, has a swastika tattooed on his neck, and binge-watches Infowars and Donald [t]Rump’s Twitter feed.  You know the kind: they finally nab him and find he’s got buckets of orange body paint and a collection of tinfoil hats in the garage—and body parts buried in the backyard, and all the neighbors can say about him is: “He seemed like such a quiet guy.  He did smell a little funny, now that you mention it though ...”

Oh vey, what a writer’s gotta do for the sake of verisimilitude. 

LOL
Merry Christmas

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

While I have your attention (again) what is your opinion on a member using false identities to get around blocking, for example, aka, Charly Ring, Bevin Wallace, Bill Weldon, Van Alsen.  Interesting that the aborigine from Australia, Wallace, and the Vietnamese, Alsen, have the same bugaboo in preferring the word quaver over quiver when the two have the same meaning when used as a verb, but quaver is rarely used in American English.

Dunno, Chuck.

Of course you don’t actually have an opinion on anything but I’ll just just keep asking nevertheless to  see how your statement on facts vary.

I’m just glad to have you as a fan, Chuck.  And you really should get those sleeves trimmed.
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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

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While I have your attention (again) what is your opinion on a member using false identities to get around blocking, for example, aka, Charly Ring, Bevin Wallace, Bill Weldon, Van Alsen.  Interesting that the aborigine from Australia, Wallace, and the Vietnamese, Alsen, have the same bugaboo in preferring the word quaver over quiver when the two have the same meaning when used as a verb, but quaver is rarely used in American English.

Dunno, Chuck.  Sounds like you have quite a fan base—or maybe it’s some right-wing conspiracy aimed at helping you improve your writing.  How dare them. The bastards...
If you don’t mind me saying so, you seem to have WAY too much time on your hands.  You should get a hobby or a mate, dog maybe?  And meditate, too.  Get all that hate out.  Hate corrodes the vessel that contains it ... Merry Christmas!
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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Well, doesn't it suck that I can't give an honest, unvarnished opinion on this topic!   As a newbie three times over (since 2005?) I do remember a change from a site containing members inclined to give impersonal and honest content review, thumbs up or thumbs down, to now a kaffeeklatsch of Chardonnay sipping chatterers. Not that that there is anything wrong with that, mind you, but it could explain an off-putting nature for newbies, who are not the only ones who will neglect to thank a reviewer, but certainly the only members who never thank, or comment, and resort to delete a newbie review and block the newbie reviewer for giving an honest Simon Cowell opinion.

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In cases where “from context” it is clear who “he” or “him” is, it would help to use a pronoun because the repetitiveness of the name is grating.  I don’t get confused at all by: He motioned for Connor to get up.  Connor eased his arm free and followed him out of the room.

There’s no right or wrong. I think some people’s opinion on this might stem from whether they edit by sight or by ear.  I edit by ear, so I tend to be attuned to how things “sound” when read aloud, often even letting that trump “rules”.

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I use an iPad (and occasionally a Mac) I was having a helluva time doing reviews for a couple of months.  But the latest iOS and Mac OS update resolved the issues, and I’m back to having the fastest editing thumbs in the East.  If you do use your iPad, make sure you have the latest version and hit that button for larger letters at the top right of the review screen, and it’s MUCH easier on the eyes.

Charles_F_Bell wrote:

For the benefit of those who missed it, what is the name of your forthcoming book and what is it about? When do you think it will be released and how much will it cost and which literary awards do you predict it will win?

Chucky’s back ....
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Memphis Trace wrote:

A quick glance https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s … ersion=KJV at Genesis 1:1-30 shows that the pronouns are not capitalized.
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Wouldn’t a more relevant example be of a passage of a man praying to God in a work of literary fiction written originally in English in the last hundred years or so?

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vern wrote:
Dirk B. wrote:

Or simply rename the buttons (e.g., Save For Now and I'm Finished).

The bigger problem is regardless of how you save it (button size, color, whatever) you can't get back to it from the red (Draft) icon on the home page nor the work you are reviewing. You must remember possibly a year from now that the red draft icon does nothing and you have to go to all your reviews posted to find the dang thing, which is totally illogical imho. Take care. Vern

I agree.  I muddied the waters by introducing a second problem. My bad.  Apologies.

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Dirk B. wrote:

Or simply rename the buttons (e.g., Save For Now and I'm Finished).

That doesn’t really solve the problem. The problem with the buttons is not the “words” on them; it’s that they have the same appearance and their proximity to one another.  It’s the same logic that applies to distinguishing “Snooze” from  “Stop” ...

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Dirk B. wrote:

Sol, Vern has a point. When we go to a chapter to leave a review and there is already a draft in progress, it shows us there's a draft, but doesn't allow us to click from there to get to the saved draft. This should be an easy fix.

I agree completely, and thanks for venting on this Vern. (Oh, look! I alliterated ...) 

This draft matter should have been dealt with long ago.  And while we’re on the subject, given the design decision  to make the buttons for “Save” and “Submit” identical (dumb), and since once you accidentally hit “Submit” when you meant to hit “Save” you’re pretty much effed, so we could use a pop-up that verifies you want to Submit so it’s not so easy to accidentally do.  I would also differentiate the buttons (common sense) either by color or size or something, for the luva Pete ...

Temple’s tantrum’s terminated.  Tata