As you study the craft of writing, you might want to also focus on writers known for great writing, not just those who have sold a lot of books. The two are not necessarily correlated.  Depends on what your objective is.  Also, time invested in studying the craft and “just writing” will provide a better return on investment than an exercise like this.

Also, take the feedback you get from any of us on this site (and for that matter, anyone who is not a great writer or great editor) with a grain of salt. 

Lastly,
“Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist.”
Pablo Picasso

Good luck with your writing.

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kraptonite wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Trolls troll; writers write

Writers write. Self appointed paragons of virtue signalling delete all opinion, fact or belief other than their own; routinely defame other voices as troll, nazi, racist... or some such then wallow in victimhood.

You believe that the deletion or eradication of anything you don't agree with or believe in is the perfect strategy.
2018.and the brave new world is upon us.

LOL. You, go girl.  I got writing to do.  Overjoyed I could bring some sunshine under your bridge.
Ciao

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kraptonite wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Amen.  I would add, that when the originating poster sees a thread is going off track and/or has been infiltrated by a troll, it would help if they just deleted the topic.  As the original poster, they have that control.

Censorship. The new free age. If you don't like another point of view, fact or opinion... delete it.

It is becoming the Liberal norm. Burning books is your next step.

And this among writers?

It's done well for the community

Trolls troll; writers write

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j p lundstrom wrote:

Congratulations! So happy for you! I'll head right over. Under what name are you published?

My guess ...

“Please check out my website and sign up for upcoming news: barbaranolanauthor.com
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JV … taft_p1_i0
Again, thanks....Denise/writing under Barbara Nolan”

vern wrote:

Simple always seems to work best: If you don't want folks looking it up, use a different author name and title on site -- or out there. Hard to google something which doesn't exist. Take care. Vern

Damn straight, Vern
I’d never use my real identity ... leastways not without some photoshop ...
https://spiritedthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/toothless.jpg

Just in case it wasn’t obvious, Dirk.  I was just taking the piss ...

Marilyn Johnson wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Dear Closing the Barn Door After the Cows Have Gotten Out,

You’re kidding, right?  What rock have you been under the last decade?
It’s there forever, man ... welcome to the internet and the Twenty-First Century ...

It’s been said ... many times, many ways ...

The one I’d like to discuss briefly today is the so-called “Front Page of the Newspaper” test, or sometimes “The New York Times Rule.” In one of its standard versions, it gets stated this way: “never do anything you wouldn’t want to see reported on the front page of the New York Times.”

“the old adage that one should never write in an email what you would never want to see published on the front page of your local newspaper.”

“26. Never electronically send ANYTHING you wouldnt want printed on the front page on the newspaper. Even if you delete it, it can still be found.”

Take heart in this: you can always hope your life will be like mine —not interesting enough for anybody to care what you ever said online ...

Sorry to break the news to you.
LOL

OMG!  You made me laugh with those, Temple!  (Sorry, Dirk, but 'tis true what she said!)

I read this book recently and just decided to say #*$*&-it and give up on privacy altogether.  It’ll scare the hell outta you ...

The Art of Invisibility: The World's Most Famous Hacker Teaches You How to Be Safe in the Age of Big Brother and Big Data
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Invisibility … B01GZY28CW

Dirk B. wrote:

Sol (or anyone), is there a way to configure an existing group or thread so that it doesn't show up on Google? Right now, anyone can read my two running threads, which I want to prevent. The threads are full of spoilers, and I'm sure I've said things over the years that would offend my target audience if taken out of context.

Thanks
Dirk

Closing the Barn Door After the Cows Have Gotten Out (aka Anthony Weiner)

You’re kidding, right?  What rock have you been under the last decade?
It’s there forever, man ... welcome to the internet and the Twenty-First Century ...

It’s been said ... many times, many ways ...

The one I’d like to discuss briefly today is the so-called “Front Page of the Newspaper” test, or sometimes “The New York Times Rule.” In one of its standard versions, it gets stated this way: “never do anything you wouldn’t want to see reported on the front page of the New York Times.”

“the old adage that one should never write in an email what you would never want to see published on the front page of your local newspaper.”

“26. Never electronically send ANYTHING you wouldnt want printed on the front page on the newspaper. Even if you delete it, it can still be found.”

“Never send an electronic message or digital photo you’d be ashamed for your mother to see.”

Take heart in this: you can always hope your life will be like mine —not interesting enough for anybody to care what you ever said online ...

Sorry to break the news to you.
LOL

That’s ambitious.

Though I think it’d be worth it to study non-fiction accounts (that’s what I did for my serial killer), the “writing” in Thomas Harris’s novels stands out from most of the fiction pack IMO.

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The distinguishing difference between the commercial, such as Grisham, and the literary writer, is the attention paid to the individual meaning and resonance of words, and the respect shown for the reader's intelligence...."
Sol Stein


Once precision is abandoned as a linguistic or literary virtue, vague generalization is one of the two remaining possibilities, gibberish being the second.
Wendell Berry


Love words, agonize over sentences. And pay attention to the world.
Susan Sontag


All writers are vain, selfish, and lazy, and at the very bottom of their motives there lies a mystery. Writing a book is a horrible, exhausting struggle, like a long bout of some painful illness. One would never undertake such a thing if one were not driven on by some demon whom one can neither resist nor understand.
George Orwell


Write without fear. Edit without mercy.
Widely Attributed


There is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you.
Maya Angelou


Take the time to try a sentence one way, then another. The art of sentence making comes down to experimentation, skill, and variety. Just because you can do the three-and-a-half-somersault tuck off the high board doesn’t mean you must ditch the gorgeous swan dive. Good sentences can be short and muscular, and they can be long and graceful. Like the imagination, they shift and surprise.
Constance Hale


Write like you’re seven feet high and very muscular; be tough with your characters, your stories, and your readers. They will remember your toughness as a blessing.
Sol Stein


Punctuation tells the reader how to hear your writing. That’s what it’s for.
Ursula K. Le Guin


To produce a mighty book, you must choose a mighty theme.
Herman Melville


It is perfectly okay to write garbage—as long as you edit brilliantly.
C.J. Cherryh


All the words I use in my stories can be found in the dictionary—it’s just a matter of arranging them into the right sentences.
Somerset Maugham


Edit savagely.
Jenna Goudreau


Resign yourself to the lifelong sadness that comes from never being satisfied.
Zadie Smith

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Transitions are a craft element you rarely see talked about, but they are REALLY important if you want your prose and narrative to glide seamlessly.  When you do hear about transitions, it’s usually about the “big picture” transitions—Chapter-to-Chapter and Scene-to-Scene.  But this article also addresses the more granular transitions of Paragraph-to-Paragraph and Sentence-to-Sentence, which, when you get attuned to them and they becomes natural, helps make your prose flow MUCH better.  I have a great book that discusses this at length with lots of examples, but I hadn’t seen anything online that effectively explained it.  This does a fair job of it:

http://blog.janicehardy.com/2009/09/re- … .html#more

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Now the thread is closed.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oI9JZtqCjUvHMbf7a/giphy.gif

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LOL
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg

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Mariana Reuter wrote:

I think this is the right time to consider this thread closed.

Suin made a useful contribution by pointing at a professional editor who, on his website and for free, analyses the first 1000 words of stories uploaded by writers, highlighting weaknesses—or strengths—agents and publishers care about.

Suin laid a tool—and an editor—that can be used—consulted and even hired—by those TNBW writers who prefer to do so.

Thank you very much Suin. As a community of writers, we appreciate all input that help us to improve and grow, providing points of view that broaden our horizons.

Rah, rah, sis-boom-bah!

Kiss,
Gacela

Amen.  I would add, that when the originating poster sees a thread is going off track and/or has been infiltrated by a troll, it would help if they just deleted the topic.  As the original poster, they have that control.

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njc wrote:

Topic drift?

Yup.  Topic got infested.  Think between me, Vern, dagny, and Mariana we got him stomped out now.  We’ll see.

Regards,
Trollbusters
LOL

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

nope, two-word expression used as a single adjective. Generally, hyphenate two or more words when they come before a noun they modify and act as a single idea.   "The logical fallacy is ad hominem." is the conceptual adjective representing a single idea  behind ad-hominem

Wrong.  It’s a Latin expression (against the man OR to the person) in its entirety and, as such, is not hyphenated.  But I admire your spunk.

It is derived from Latin ("to the man") but by itself is no pertinent concept. The concept is Ad Hominem Logical Fallacy to be properly represented as an adjective of a single concept, ad-hominem, in a sort of abbreviation. Not hyphenated it is literally gibberish in context, to the man lizard.

WHIFF Swing and a miss ... strike three!  Kavanaugh, yer outta here ...

Ima let you be now, Chuck.  Better luck next time.
Ciao ...

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

and we hear from ad-hominem lizard number two of three.

Since this is an editing site: it’s “ad hominem

nope, two-word expression used as a single adjective. Generally, hyphenate two or more words when they come before a noun they modify and act as a single idea.   "The logical fallacy is ad hominem." is the conceptual adjective representing a single idea  behind ad-hominem

Wrong.  It’s a Latin expression (against the man OR to the person) in its entirety and, as such, is not hyphenated.  But I admire your spunk.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Regards,
Empress Wu

and we hear from ad-hominem lizard number two of three.

Since this is an editing site: it’s “ad hominem

Regards,
Empress Wu, aka @Lizard_2of3
(aka reigning Greater SE Asia region bantamweight champion slayer of misogynistic trolls)

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

Silence is quite responsive; it says a great deal should one listen to it. Take care. Vern

Silence is not what came from Empress Wu but irrelevant noise.  Silence can mean several things but often requires a combination of uninterest, ignorance and lack of education.  I reckon you are the exception to the rule.

You certainly make the case for "Silence is golden." Take care. Vern

Don’t poke it, Vern.  Reddit reopened their incel board.  It’ll skitter back under the baseboard soon.
https://media.giphy.com/media/13RNUIRVHff2pi/giphy.gif

Regards,
Empress Wu

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Skepticism requires interest in the story of the buyer and not the seller. So we have five or so potential buyers so keen on the product of the seller, though it be ostensibly free, but no statements of their reasons.  Furthermore, on the Irish website not giving out free samples, there are the "testimonials", a red flag in the eye of the skeptic.

https://thoughtcatalog.com/ryan-oconnel … ss-boring/

You are unresponsive.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Perhaps you can answer the question on how an editor who claims to have a bunch of global clients is qualified to do what he claims to do. He provides no name  - only a reference to having a connection to the Irish and Canadian publishing markets, a fact irrelevant to an American author looking to write for Americans and perhaps publish in the U.S.A. Presumably he can expect aspiring authors submitting to the free site for busine$$ through clearly referenced Irish website editorial.ie, and no editor's job is to make a work publishable for any reason other than the mechanics of good writing  such as the right and proper spelling the word, "colour" as "color."

His email is:  editor@editorial.ie
If you are really so curious, why don’t you just ask him directly?

Skepticism requires interest in the story of the buyer and not the seller. So we have five or so potential buyers so keen on the product of the seller, though it be ostensibly free, but no statements of their reasons.  Furthermore, on the Irish website not giving out free samples, there are the "testimonials", a red flag in the eye of the skeptic.

https://thoughtcatalog.com/ryan-oconnel … ss-boring/

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
dagny wrote:

Thanks, Suin! smile

Perhaps you can answer the question on how an editor who claims to have a bunch of global clients is qualified to do what he claims to do. He provides no name  - only a reference to having a connection to the Irish and Canadian publishing markets, a fact irrelevant to an American author looking to write for Americans and perhaps publish in the U.S.A. Presumably he can expect aspiring authors submitting to the free site for busine$$ through clearly referenced Irish website editorial.ie, and no editor's job is to make a work publishable for any reason other than the mechanics of good writing  such as the right and proper spelling the word, "colour" as "color."

His email is:  editor@editorial.ie
If you are really so curious, why don’t you just ask him directly?

Dirk B. wrote:

Is there a best practice for how to acknowledge sources for a fictional tale?

Yes, there are.
Try Googling:  plagiarism in fiction
There is a wealth of info out there.  I recommend researching "first hand."  I've delved into this on a forum before, and ended up getting guided incorrectly by people opining that didn't have sufficient first-hand knowledge to be credible.

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*rolls eyes*
humans ...
AI?  Bring it on, baby ...

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Dirk B. wrote:

I'm including the Holy Land's "Sea of Galilee" in my WIP. When I refer to it simply as sea (e.g., Low hills lay beyond the sea/Sea.), do I capitalize sea? It's a specific sea, so I'm inclined to capitalize it.

Thanks
Dirk

No.
The Pacific Ocean is not a pacific ocean ...