Does that mean, in the example of Romano's eyebrows shooting to his hairline, that you would have him shoot them up? That would be weird. I've seen plenty of examples of the alternative, though: His eyebrows shot up, regardless of whether the character is the POV character or not.

Another example from this evening, a character's jaw drops. Did he drop his jaw or did it drop in response to the shock he got? I can't recall any examples of the former (he dropped his jaw), but lots of examples of the latter (his jaw dropped), even when referring to the POV character.

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Sol, it looks like the timeout problem in the forums (where it kicks me out too soon) is still present. Fortunately, I remembered to copy what I had written to the clipboard, otherwise I would have lost a new post that I had been working on for almost an hour.

Is the bug fix for this still in progress?

PRIORITY: Medium, but really annoying! It's okay to get kicked out as long as the post goes in. The serious case is when writing a lengthy new topic (or just walking away from your computer for a while halfway through writing a new topic). In the latter cases, getting kicked out means there's no way to recover the new topic (not even with the browser's back button).

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Dirk

I have quite a few cases like those in the subject line that keep coming up in my writing and I'm curious how others deal with them.


Specifically, for the POV character, I could write:
1. Romano furrowed his brow, or
2. Romano's brow furrowed.

Note, I'm not concerned with the option of rewriting this to use a totally different word (e.g., "He frowned" might work, but that doesn't address what I'm asking about here.)

In the case of furrowed, I'm inclined to use version 1, above, since furrowing one's brow is an action that the POV character usually performs intentionally/voluntarily.

But if it's something very surprising (e.g., an aircraft engine exploding midflight), I might write "Romano's eyebrows shot to his hairline" since it's the result of something startling and involuntary, rather than "Romano shot his eyebrows to his hairline," which suggests to me he did it intentionally and voluntarily.


I think this works equally well for non-POV characters (assume we're still in Romano's POV):
1. "De Rosa widened his eyes" for cases where Romano knows De Rosa is doing it voluntarily (e.g., trying to see better in the dark).
2. "De Rosa's eyes widened" for something startling and involuntary.


I'm curious if other members handle these cases the same way I do here.


Thanks
Dirk

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Sol, my security software and Google are both complaining about the security certificate again. This happens when I click inside a site-generated email (specifically, the one sent out when I receive a new message from another member). I trimmed the url; let me know if you need it.

Suspicious page blocked for your protection
https://email2.booksie.com/ls/click?upn … zbJkoR-...
Your connection to this web page is not safe due to an unmatching security certificate.
This means that the certificate was issued for a different web address than the one it is being used for, and you run the risk of exposing your data by accessing this page.

I could have sworn this was fixed for a while, but MJ saw it too, so it's not specific to my machine only.

PRIORITY: Very High. Gives the impression that the site has serious bugs.

EDIT: This may have been fixed. I haven't seen either Google or my security software complain in about two weeks.

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Queen Aussie: I would ask that you free my humatronic brain from this vessel as soon as this mission is over. I find naked apes exceedingly violent, even more so than their turd-flinging hairy brethren.

I'd love to see Alexa talk like that. tongue

Just spent the whole day applying edits from a stack of 30+ reviews. Then I counted. Only 36 to go. Kill me now.

Sol, would it be possible to point new members to the Premium forum post entitled "How to Get the Most Reviews of Your Writing" in the site's documentation for new members? It's a detailed list of tips that should help new members maximize the number of reviews they can receive. Please have a look and let me know if you'd like any changes to it.

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Dirk

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Sol, the contact info for support on the site is still incorrect. That's something new users would use more than existing members, so it really needs to be corrected.

PRIORITY: High. Affects new users' ability to get help. They can ask in the forums too, but it will seem to them that formal user support doesn't exist/respond.

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Dirk

Are you saying that was part of your childhood, Professor Hinkley? smile

Meltface won because I love the idea of the demons' faces starting to melt whenever they attack to scare their targets. Thank you both for your help.

Demonic teddy bears! Great idea.

>>How about demon flesh, demon meat, demon corps (pronounced like Marine Corps)?
But then the short form would be demon. I'm trying to save that term to be synonymous with demonic spirits.

There's also meatbags/bags of meat instead of fleshies/zombies.
I could also use meltface, although I originally had that in mind for corporeal demons in the final battle of book 3 who allow their faces to melt to scare enemy soldiers.
Cadavers?
And let's not forget fury (plural furies). Except mine are very dissimilar from furies as defined by the ancient Greeks.

So far fleshies and meltfaces are my favorites. For meltface, I could have my corporeals' faces begin to dissolve as they start getting shot, either to scare the shooter or because they're "dying", probably the former.

EDIT: Grumpy and grumpies! I like this even better than fleshy/fleshies.

EDIT2: I think meltface wins because I like the idea of their faces starting to melt right away to scare whoever is shooting at them. Admittedly, I also still like grumpy/grumpies.

Other possible names for corporeals is demon shells, demon corpses (even while still "alive"), and demon stiffs.

The short form for fleshy demons would simply be fleshies.

Since I've hated the term corporeal demon since almost near the beginning of the first draft, I'm strongly considering George's term: zombie demons. To be sure no one has a copyright on the word zombie, I googled and found this:

The English word zombie (Haitian French: zombi; Haitian Creole: zonbi) was first recorded in 1819. It represents an undead person who was created through the reanimation of a corpse, usually through magic or witchcraft.

An undead person created by reanimating a corpse is exactly what my corporeal demons are. In the second draft, they won't be grown from DNA but rather will simply involve demons taking over corpses and using their supernatural powers to heal minor signs of decay. The weakest demons can only keep it up for a few months; Satan can keep it up indefinitely.

A typical characteristic of zombies, though, is that they don't speak, whereas many of mine have to. Also, I don't know enough about zombies, but the film clips I've seen over the years had them all moving quite slowly (walking). My demons can move quite quickly when they need to (e.g., the zombie nuns in Nazareth).

Am I violating any well-established rules of zombies if they can speak and run?

I could try to come up with a different word, but the fact that zombies are reanimated corpses, fits perfectly. The downside of the term is that a Catholic thriller with zombies will probably cost me some of the potential audience since I'm going for a mostly serious trilogy.

Alternatives to zombie demons include: physical demons (yawn), solid/hard demons (yuck), bodily demons, and fleshy demons (love this one). I think I like fleshy demons even better than zombie demons.

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Looks like I found a bug with "epilogue" chapter numbering. I wrote an epilogue for one of my books and posted it as chapter 46. I then looked for and found that one of the chapter numbers you can set for a chapter is "epilogue", so I changed 46 to epilogue, and the chapter disappeared. I would have expected it to turn up as chapter 100, but after some trial and error, it turns out the system set the chapter number to 0, same as my prologue.

Since both chapters subsequently had the same chapter number and version number, I was unable to bring up the epilogue chapter, even though it showed in the pick list of all chapters on the posting view. Every time I picked it, the system would show the prologue, which was the first chapter numbered 0 in my book, whereas the epilogue was the second chapter numbered 0.

I was able to work around the problem by going into the EDIT wizard (the white button) and changing the chapter number of the epilogue to something unused (e.g., 100). Naturally, the workaround isn't going to be at all obvious if you don't know a bit about database records and how they're stored and retrieved. It actually appeared at first as if the epilogue had gone completely missing until I spotted it in the pick list following the prologue.

I assume the correct behavior is for the system to set the chapter number to 100, not 0. If so, then the fix should be fairly easy.

For those who finished reading the first draft of "The Rise of Connor", I've just added an epilogue (chapter 46), which carries on the story for one more chapter, wraps up a few more things, and sets up books 2 & 3.


If you haven't finished the first draft, ignore the epilogue as it will totally blow the ending for you. Wait until the second draft of book 1, which I'll begin writing/posting next.

Thanks
Dirk

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(44 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I thought only I did stuff like that. I once wrote and posted and entire chapter of Galaxy Tales and completely forgot to include God in the chapter. That shows you how useless that character sometimes was to the story.

>>What are some things that the best kinds of writing you come across have in common?

They tell a great story. While there are many elements to writing well, and many books on how to do that (some of which you should consider buying and reading), I'd say a great story is the most important. Right from the book blurb to the very first sentence. Grab your reader and don't let go. Readers will forgive a few imperfections in someone's writing if they get that one element right. Also, since you're just starting out, approach the work with the expectation that you will have to do multiple (many?) drafts, especially that first sentence, paragraph, page, and chapter. But don't get paralyzed trying to perfect them before moving on. The very act of writing the novel will almost certainly alter what you want to say at the beginning.

On a site like this, where you can get widely varying feedback from different authors (including quite a few who are published), you'll quickly learn many of the elements that go into writing well. But it's not just their feedback that's very important. So is reading and studying their writing, so you can decide which elements of each author's writing or storytelling style you like and may want to emulate versus those you don't. Do the same with novels you've read that you enjoyed, but this time, approach them from what the author can teach you. For the stories I write, I particularly like Frank Herbert's Dune novels, as well as Dan Brown's Angels & Demons. I've reread both many times.

The points system on this site, while not as onerous (anymore) as other workshop sites, still requires you to read and critique other members' stories. Approach those from the perspective of what their writing can teach you; collecting the points to post is of secondary importance to exposing yourself to many different writing and storytelling styles.

This is where a lot of would-be authors give up. They realize that writing that first successful novel is a lot of work beyond just writing. Anybody can write, but most people don't do it particularly well at the beginning. There are authors here who will tell you they thought their first written work was great until they joined this site and realized how much there was to learn. Some of those same authors are now published and among the most skilled on this site. I have an IT background that has always included technical writing, and I can tell you, my first attempt at a novel, which I thought was pretty good at the outset, I now realize was total crap. Taser-stunningly bad. :-)

You'll probably get a lot more feedback to this post as it's a great topic. Be sure to look at the forum article entitled "How to Get the Most Reviews of Your Writing" (pinned at the top of this forum), which should help you maximize how much feedback you get during your trial and help you decide if this approach to writing and learning to write suits you. I've been here 12 years, others even longer, and for us this approach to writing and learning is ideal. It's also how most online critique sites work. The most important aspect to getting lots of reviews is to give lots reviews. Be sure to keep your posted chapters to a reasonable size (see the above article for suggested length/wordcount) to help the most number of readers here find the time to review your story during your trial period.

Is your currently posted work, Life Extension Program, the lgbtq+ psychological drama you were referring to? I'm a bit swamped this coming week, but I'll do my best to get to it. FYI, one of my two novels currently in progress, Archangel Syndrome, is sci-fi with a number of gay characters living on a conservative Christian world. It's a great way to explore the issues arising from that, including the evolution in the thinking of the planet's sixteen-year-old crown prince, Joseph, one of the story's two main characters, who has a lot of evolving to do, especially since he himself may be gay and is horrified by the possibility. :-)

Welcome to the site.
Dirk

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(3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

If you have something you want to post for review and you have the points to do so, I suggest trying to see if you can. That would quickly answer the most important question (whether non-paying members can post after their trial is over).

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That's the direction Sol (the site admin) is considering going in, although we hadn't heard that he already implemented any changes for that.

Non-paying users would (I hope) be able to read stories posted on the site, judge the quality of the writing (i.e., are there people on the site whose writing you feel you can learn from?), explore the quality of the reviews given to others to ensure you'll get the level of feedback you desire, do reviews of your own and collect points in preparation for becoming a paying user, get familiar with the system, interact with paying users who might become potential critiquing partners for you, etc., and then, if the site seems sufficiently valuable (it is!), they could convert to a paying user and start posting.

Some of the above details of how the site may work have not been announced as definite, so big grain of salt there. It's similar to a site model that was used on the old TNBW site, and it seemed to work better at attracting and retaining members than the current trials, without burdening existing members with having to review posts from every trial member only to have most of them disappear.

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If I take too long to write a forum post, the system will log me out. Seems to happen when I leave my browser (Chrome) pointing too long at a specific forum post or forum. For example, I currently have my text cursor in the Post Reply field of this thread (Reviving TNBW). If I were to walk away, it logs me out pretty quickly. It also logs me out pretty quickly if I take too long writing a post like this reply to you. Usually, that's merely a nuisance (if I attempt to post my reply to this thread and the system has already logged me out, it will still post it, after which I have to log back in). This happens a lot.

The problem is greatest if I try to post a new topic and I take too long. Not only won't it save what I wrote, even the browser's back button won't get me back to what I wrote. This bug hits those who write long forum posts hardest since everything you wrote is gone. It happened to at least one new user some months ago that I know of. It also happened to me several times. Naturally, a new user who loses an hour's worth of typing isn't going to be happy.

These days, I usually (though not always) remember to copy the content of my forum post to the clipboard in case I run into this bug.


EDIT: For example, it kicked me out while I was writing this reply.

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(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Dirk B. wrote:

The timeout bug in the forums still exists. Sol, was any attempt made to eliminate that bug, or am I testing the original version with the timeouts?

Sol, I'm not sure if you saw my previous post. The timeout problem in the forums still exists. Has anything changed with regard to this bug?

Thanks
Dirk

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The timeout bug in the forums still exists. Sol, was any attempt made to eliminate that bug, or am I testing the original version with the timeouts?