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Merry Christmas! Hope everyone ate too much junk food and stayed up too late playing with electronic train sets! Hugs and kisses!

NJC

I get what your saying, though I have no idea how I could incorporate it into the story. Long intros tend to get skipped, so I'd have to make something very short. I can definitely play with it and see what happens! I don't want people going into the story, feeling lost...

The year is 413, and the British Isles are rocked by piracy, invasion, and internal war. Romano-Celtic rulers desperately cling to their lands as...

Something like that?

Saw it! Thanks!

There might be a confusion with people groups, so I wanted to clarify. Let me know if you have any questions!

Celtic People (Britannae/Eire/Gaulic)
Height: Tall
Framed: Small
Hair Color: Brunet/Redhead/Blond
Hair: Curly/Wavy/Straight
Eyes: Round
Eye Color: Brown/Green/Blue
Pale/Freckled
Face: Long/Round


Germanic People (Saxon/Angel/Frisian/Frank)
Height: Short/Medium
Framed: Large/Medium
Hair Color: Blond/Brunet
Hair: Straight/Wavy
Eyes: Round/Slit
Eye Color: Blue/Brown/Green
Tanned
Face: Square


Viking People (Dane/Jute/Norse)
Height: Tall
Framed: Large/Medium
Hair Color: Blond/Brunet/Redhead
Hair: Straight/Wavy
Eyes: Round/Slit
Eye Color: Blue/Green/Brown
Pale
Face: Square/Long


Roman/Latin
Height: Short/Medium
Framed: Medium
Hair Color: Brunet/Blond/Redhead
Hair: Wavy/Straight/Curly
Eyes: Round
Eye Color: Brown/Copper/Blue/Hazel
Olive
Face: Square/Long


Pictish
Height: Tall
Framed: Medium/Large
Hair Color: Black/Brunet
Hair: Straight
Eyes: Round eyes
Eye Color: Gray/Hazel
Medium Brown/Tanned
Face: Square



These are just generalizations of course, as there could always be exceptions.
A Celtic could be short (like Enhinti)
Large boned (like Owain from the Beast)
Or have black hair (like Drech)
And with all the mixing, a lot of people had characteristics of another people mixed in (like the Dobunni being darker skinned even though they are Britannae).

Also remember that the rich are more likely to be tall in any culture at this time, as they had better nutrition and better access to medical aid. So a Saxon Aetheling could be as tall as a Britannae Prince even if the Saxon commoners are much shorter than the Britannae ones.

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njc wrote:

If he can switch for the camera, he should be able to learn to switch for the bow.  It used to be a standard technique when using a microscope.


I think bows are very different than cameras and microscopes. A very skilled archer could learn to shoot for the opposite eye, I suppose, a lot like a master swordsmen may also learn to fence with the none dominant hand. But that is a lot of work! It could take 12 years to master a medieval bow! To then do all that work for the other way? Yikes!

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I have no idea how the statistics are collected so I couldn't say on the accuasy of them. sad

I do know that a lot of people assume that because they are right handed they must be right eyed, and are shocked when they find out they are actually left eyed! My husband is right handed and left eyed. So for archery he needs a left handed bow. But cameras are different. He has no problem taking pictures with his right eye.

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I don't know. 33% of any population is left eyed but only 10% of any population is left handed. I don't think there can be much of a correlation. My sister is left handed and right eyed and the archery instructor implied that that was common for left handers to be right eyed and have to shoot right handed.

I do know there is so genetics involved (left handedness tends to run in families) so maybe eye dominance does to? If that is so then maybe a particular family could have both a lot of left handers and a lot of left eye dominance? I don't know much about biology so many I shouldn't speculate...

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janet reid wrote:

K, give my cad (and me) some credit! As if he would be using his own stuff and dropping shit all over the place and get identified that way. pffffttttt, way too easy! Not going to happen. But yeah, I'm in a hole, so I have started digging ....

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It's not the blackguard's arrow - it's one of Matthew's. I haven't added any specifics, so that is one way to dig me out of the hole (keep it generic and don't list the qualities that makes it Matthew's - as long as it would be possible to identify the arrow as his without doubt). But it would've been nice to say: well, if you look at this feather and this so-and-so, it's mine.

So yeah, the bad guy shot Geordie using one of Matthew's arrows ... Like Black John is going to say: "That is one hell of a message." (to Matthew and the others who is supposed to keep him safe).

Then definitely have the bird feathers unusual and the shaft painted! Matthew is rich, he can afford it!

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I belive a lot of Scotish women learned to fight with swords and spears so their southern neighbors might also have learned as well.

You shoot according to you dominant eye. As most people (about 2/3 of the population) are right eyed, they would lean to shoot right handed. People who are lefted eyed would have to learn left handed which would be difficult if they were right handed.

Weak bows under 70 pounds were not efficient weapons and would only have been used to teach children to shoot.They would not have been able to penetrate any armor and would have had a limited range.

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Archery fell out of use for warfare in the mid 1600s and was replaced by muskets which were being made much better by that time. It then became very popular as a sport for women. (It had always been popular as a sport for men).

However at the time of Northern Skies archery was still used for war. And the bows quite difficult to use by a small or weak person. Draw weight was well over 100 pounds, some bows were as much as 175 pounds. Archers had to be quite strong in the upper body and arms to pull the string back. Women rarely shot (I think Queen Elizabeth learned). It was considered unladylike, masculine, certainly not a weapon for a woman to learn.

If women learned to fight, (and not many did at this time) they would use a small sword or a spear. The spear was actually the traditional weapon for women.

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Arrows! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Arrow shafts were made from light,weight, pourise woods like ash, beech, or hazel. All grew everywhere on the British Isles.

Arrow heads were iron and (in the 1500s/1600s) mostly bodkin shaped for war, so they would puncture most armor. (Knights and princes tended to wear plate armor that protected them from bodkins though, so if your aim is to kill an earl, you'll have to be a really good shot to hit him in a less protected area.)

Arrow fletching was made of any bird feather but by this time it might have mostly been goose. Geese were farmed and so there was a ready access of a lot of feathers.

Because of of a lot of standardization with war stuff because of all the wars with France and the War of the Roses, a lot of the individualism was lot. However, hunting arrows were still made region by region and often by the archerer himself, so those could still be individual and thus identifiable. Mostly it would be in choosing a particular bird feather (not goose) for the fletching or have the archer paint his arrow shafts a color. The rich certainly had time/money to have unique arrows even for war. But it would be in the choice of bird feather for the fletching and perhaps painting the shafts.

It is possible that they dyed the feathers too (they certainly dyed feathers for their helmets and other stuff) but I have never read anything that would suggest they did that.

Hope this helps!

KHippolite wrote:

5) fight to the death

But seriously, it's just a first draft. Don't overthink pacing yet

Haha! Sometimes I think writing is like fighting!

NJC

Oops! Sorry! I didn't mean cut out of the story! I should have said "remove from chapter 18 and move to chapter 19 to make 19 longer." Which was one of you suggestions. smile

Question about chapter breaks for Pendragon VI Chapters 18, 19 and 20!


Chapter 18 is average (9 pages)
Chapter 19 very short (5 pages)
And Chapter 20 average (8 pages)


1)
I could make 19 and 20 one very long chapter (I think 13 pages, which is the longest I have)


2)
I could split the contents of 19 up between 18 and 20 (20 would of course become the new 19)
Chapter 18 would end at:

...
But hopefully I shall not regret this.
They shook their swords to remove the blood and returned the weapons to their sheaths. Then lifting the injured knight, they draped his arms over their shoulders and staggered back to the bushes.
###

And Chapter 19 would start at:

“Agh!”
The scream of agony bounced off the standing stones, resonating the circle with the sound of pain. King Milwr's body trembled and contorted, his limbs pulling in vain against the hemp binds. Beads of sweat dotted his face.
“Belunus!” he cried. “It hurts!”
...

Then would contain all of what is now chapter 20


3)
I could cut this part:

Though the trek was no difficult than before, the Drech's party was tired from the fight, and Orson gasped and coughed the whole way. When they stopped to rest, Drech eyed his mentor with growing concern.
“Breath, Lord,” Drech whispered.
“I am well,” Orson replied, but speaking on brought on another fit of coughing.
Drech shook his head in dismay. “Let us go back before the whole Eire army is on us.”
He scanned the tired knights, counting them to be sure of their number.
“What!” he gasped. “Who is missing?”
The knights look around themselves, perplexed.
“Sir Gurci!” Captain Samyl breathed. “Where is Sir Gurci?”
Drech looked around again for that knight but could not find him.
“He was struck with a war club, but he did not fall,” Sir Teuhant said.
“Tis not good,” Drech groaned. “I must go and find him.”
“Indeed,” Orson said, rising to his feet.
“Not you, Lord,” Drech said to his mentor. “You are too weak to fight again tonight. Go with the knights back to camp.”
Orson shook his sheep white head. “I shall not die this night, Drech.”
“And neither shall you fight. Captain Samyl–”
“I shall not leave your side, Dominus,” the Captain replied.
Drech looked at him for a moment before nodding his consent. “The rest of you, go back to back.”
The knights began to protest, but Drech held up a silencing hand.
“I cannot sneak up on the enemy trailed by thirteen men,” he said. “The fewer come, the more likely I am to succeed. You will all take Lord Orson and return to camp. Sir Elisedd.”
“Yea, Dominus,” the lone Saxon of their group replied.
“See that Orson gets back to his tent.”
“Yea.”
“You are treating me like a child?” Orson said, laughing then coughing.
“I am, Lord,” Drech replied.
With Captain Samyl at his side, he left for the rocky beach.

out of chapter 18 to make it shorter (8 pages) and add it to chapter 19 to make it longer (6 pages)


4)
I could just leave them as is.



Let me know any thoughts or other suggestions!

njc wrote:
Rebecca Vaughn wrote:

Nice!

Watch the whole thing!

Nice!

My favorite is Telemann but Bach has a special place in my heart...

Nice!

I guess I'll have to ask everyone when I post 20...

Ok, I do like the double thread stuff! I used it a lot in the Beast of Caer Baddan but hadn't really had a go opportunity with the Pendragon until now.

I could cut off part of chapter 18 with Drech and move it to 19. It also has Orson being sick though, so I'll have to think about it.

The next chapter (20) is turning out to be short as well.

Thanks! smile

I can definitely amp up Queen Lang's reaction! She's an over protective mother when it comes to little Pappo, so I can make her protest a lot!

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Janet, I added more comments to that last chapter. Sorry!

I think your build up is perfect. I just need more clarity on the want vs need. I was treating them as one when they are two different things. More stress on the need will help make it clear that that is something else.

KHippolite wrote:

In fact, here's a list of your underused characters
Outigern
Cadvan
Nynio
Anlach
Becuma

All 5 of these characters have crawled out of the woodwork and jumped into the spotlight, making real distinction for themselves. Sadly, they've run off somewhere and hidden themselves when they could be being really cool. Onnen is not like them... she's not interesting because she did anything distinctive, but rather because other characters discuss her. I'm not certain how to express this difference, but it's significant.

Wow! You have been keeping track!

Prince Outigern gets his in the next book (Book V)
Sir Cadvan and Sir Anlach will have a bit next book (Book V) and a lot more in the last book (Book VI)
Princess Becuma also gets a bit more (I think in Book V)
Lord Nynio gets a little this book (Book IV) and more in the last (Book VI).
Onnen also gets time in the next book (Book V) as does her and Camuir's son.

njc wrote:

These characters are walk-ons.  You don't want them in drama because of its compressed form, but there is room for them in a novel.  Naming a character isn't the same as bringing the character in.  If the character has as much as action as a table, the character isn't present at all; the character is a piece of the setting.
Look at all the 'underused' characters in Girl Genius.  Two characters who will probably never be seen again: Crispin and the cat-maid.

Haha! I love that I idea! Characters are props that we move around for our bidding. Bwa.Ha.Ha.Ha.Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

njc wrote:

A kimg like Milwr is happy ruling a land that NEEDS his peculiar, amoral skills, and will leave the kingdom in the hands of the only ones who can rule it--the amoral among his heirs.

Oh, I hadn't thought of that!

But King Milwr is healthy and determined to live for a long time. He is in line to be the next the Pendragon after all (King Swale and Prince Camuir being out of the equation). With Mother Gratianna's help, King Milwr will take over the Kingdom Colun, kill Vitalinus, and subjugate those unruly Trinovantae. He is an Andoco and therefore better then everyone else, so he should conquer everyone else, rule everyone else. And yes, there are a lot of perks for being on the top.

I hadn't thought of putting Gratianna's son (or her living step son) in this book. (Gratianna's son is rather bad but Drech eventually straightens him out.) Because Gratianna's son does not live at the convent with her nor travels with her, there doesn't seem to be a place to put him without adding a lot of stuff and changing a lot of stuff. I'm not sure I can justify that.

I had King Milwr mention him because it seemed a logical question.
"I don't want to do all this work and risk my men and then have YOUR son claim the throne." That sort of thing.
But knowing Milwr, he'd probably just kill Graitanna's son and not worry about it. So maybe I should just take the line out?

King Milwr is rather careful about appearances. He wants his family and his subjects (the people living in the Kingdom of Lerion) to think well of him. He had his knights lie about his whereabouts, but they did not actually see him murder Drech's father. (Drech mistakenly identifies Sir Gurci as being one of King Milwr's knights. Drech will eventually find out that this is not correct.) Thus King Milwr is a lot like a serial killer. He can hunt victims and yet take his sons to Little League and his daughter to ballet class. His older son, Riderch, has suspected that his father is "off", but until the end of Book III, never actually knew for certain. The younger son and the daughter really have no clue. They are in for a shock!

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Wow! I just found the article interesting. I would never auto delete any word. I might do a scan and see if I can use a better word, but there are times that the "words not to use" are the best choice. And what should not be done in narrative, works just fine in dialogue because it sounds natural and the way people talk. You might not want to describe someone as absolutely gorgeous in narrative, but a man might say of his significant other, "You are absolutely gorgeous in that outfit." Or he might  laugh, "You are absolutely ludicrous in that getup." Yes, the words might come out sounding a bit odd, but one CAN laugh words. One cannot smile words or smirk words because there is no SOUND associated with those. But IF there is a sound associated with the "different" dialogue tag, you can do it. I think overuse of "said" is a bigger issue and much more boring. Oh, by the way, there are also times to use the damnable adverb--just sparingly.

The article is interesting, Janet! Thanks for sharing!

I like the rule of sound verses no sound. I have always found the "smiled" dialogue tag odd. As if the character is a Cheshire Cat or something.

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vern wrote:

I'm not and have never said one is correct and the other is wrong, only the assumption that one can "tell" another author what to do and then become offended that someone disagrees with her. Rabbit hole? I don't know; you tell me. I certainly respect and most times follow your advice.

I'm not offended that you disagree with me.

I am offended that you mocked my writing.