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janet reid wrote:
Rebecca Vaughn wrote:

I suppose it is impossible to protect yourself from a determined professional hacker. But if the forums come up on google searches then your stuff is visible to the whole world without anyone even having to try!

The forums are made to discus the books and thus there should be privacy in place so that someone can't just type something into a search and click on one of the results and find out that so-and-so kills so-and-so, or such-an- such happens at the end of such-and-such book, or whatever.

If the groups are not private, I'd rather not be in groups.

Couple of issues here. The first, when I too signed up for TNBW, I was promised a certain degree of protection. That now turned out to be for x, y and z, but not a, b and c after the horse has bolted. I have the option to publish my WIP on site as I wish. I have the option to limit access to my freaking Facebook page. So why don't I have it for the forums. I know there are ways around this, but like Rebecca says, please make it a tad harder than a simple google search.

Second issue, I stand by all my comments, every single one. But, I have made comments here that is meant for here. I expected that it would take more than just a simple google search to get to it. If I wanted that, why the hell pay a fee to join this site? And if I had known, I might have decided not to post at all. But how was I supposed to weigh the risk without being given the complete picture.

Third issue, Sol does not need google searches to find our threads. Wants maybe, but not need. What he needs is for us to get published and spread the word of how great this site is and how we couldn't have done it without. Imagine sales pitch for the site when I accept my international writing award: Great site, but you can't intteract with the other writers because you know ...

This leads me to think I won't belong to any groups other for general discussions and to limit any discussion on my writing to the reviews section. That is effective to fade into the background of the dark interwebs, but in terms of getting feedback and having a discussion involving multiple people, it's horrible. And here I thought that was what this site was all about.

Typed on my phone, sorry for any nits due to thick fingers.


I can imagine you accepting first place and saying that! Haha! I would to! People need to know that their word is not as secure as they thought.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

You do realize that when you post on here, you are copyrighted. And an online copyright is only $35. Yeah, there will still be unscrupulous people who might steal your stuff, but that is a chance you take in today's electronic world. Still, if you're copyrighted and find out, you do have legal recourse.

I would prefer no one stealing my stuff to going to court over it. What a headache! sad

Norm d'Plume wrote:

Vern, a key factor is that no publishing house will even consider us if all the plot spoilers are freely available on the net along with every comment ever made to anyone here in what is supposed to be a protected site. While anyone can join for a few bucks, it's a minimal level of protection to our intellectual property. They can't steal or expose something if they don't know it exists.

This is a huge issue for anyone hoping to get an agent or publisher for their work. If the world can already see the story, why should a publisher waste his time!

Absolutely right. A person is very unlikely to steal something that they don't even know is out there. If a person has to get a membership to access the forums then they have to put a lot more effort into their crookedness then a simple google search that a monkey can do. And they are easier to tack and catch.

It is not about copyright.

If that was the problem, I doubt many of us would have joined the site in the first place.

It is about protecting yourself and your intellectual property.

Yes people can find ways around it but why make things super easy that anyone can find out spoilers and plot point with no trouble at all.

It is like your things in your house.

Yes some one can break your window and steal your computer, that does not mean you should leave your front door open so the thieves can just walk in and take it.

A forum on a site that requires registration and passwords should not be searchable on Google.

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Logged out, I was able to access this group, find the thread on Janet Reid's book, Northern Skies, and copy part of her novel!

Black John chuckled.  “Aye, but only because I don’t want to miss witnessing the young lord Aiden’s long overdue rebuke.”
The mentioning of Aiden’s name forced Matthew to replace pleasant thoughts with not so pleasant ones.  He needed to focus on today’s pursuit at some point.
Although he believed Catherine when she had stated her brother meant him no harm, he wasn’t about to extend the courtesy to Aiden until he proved himself wor-thy of Matthew’s trust.  Matthew also knew that sitting down with the young Lord Aiden and reasonably discussing the finer points of border politics in a civilised way wasn’t going to be enough to bring Aiden around.
Today’s raid on Aiden Tower was to serve the sole purpose of showing the younger man what the stakes were.  And Aiden was about to make an important de-cision, whether he liked it or not.

I don't have to be a member of the site or know anything beyond very rudimentary computer skills.

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I suppose it is impossible to protect yourself from a determined professional hacker. But if the forums come up on google searches then your stuff is visible to the whole world without anyone even having to try!

The forums are made to discus the books and thus there should be privacy in place so that someone can't just type something into a search and click on one of the results and find out that so-and-so kills so-and-so, or such-an- such happens at the end of such-and-such book, or whatever.

If the groups are not private, I'd rather not be in groups.

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It would be a nice thought to use a pen name, but I have already put my real name on it and there is no way to change that unless I close my account and open a new one. So it is not an easy fix.

Moreover, people can still steal drafts to our work (or parts of drafts) and find out "spoilers" via the forums. So if we tried to protect our intellectual property on the forums, we would have to avoid using character names or giving our book titles.

How can I ask if this name or circumstanced works if I trying to avoid saying the actual character name or the name of the book?

Some authors are told by their publishers or literary agents that their book can't be up public anywhere and that would include open forum discussions. So these authors now have to delete the forums that mentioned their stories. (A difficult task that might be hard to do if they did not open the thread.)

Truth is we thought the forums were a lot more secure then they actually are. And this is unnerving.

Ok! I'll play with them more! I don't want anyone thinking Drech just thought of this out of the blue!

I can also add in a little with Drech's thoughts. Better? Even more needed?

While the servants made fires, Drech and Orson talked.
“You shall have to be careful with this charade, Drech,” Orson said. “A man's training, upbringing, habits, always come out.”
“I was born a prince and am playing one,” Drech said. “I doubt anyone will suspect I am more, unless one of the knights calls me Dominus' or an Eire has seen me before in Albion.”
As he spoke, Drech realized that both situations were highly likely. The sooner he got to Teamhair and addressed the Ard Ri the better it would be.
“Perhaps,” Orson mused. “Yet you have adapted to your role as Pendragon, and I believe that does come out in your behavior.”
Drech could not help but smile at his mentor's words. Less than three and a half years before, he had to convince Orson that he was ready to claim his inheritance.
But a new thought spun in Drech's mind.
We can tell a man's true upbringing by the way he behaves!
“Excuse, me, Lord,” he said, aloud. “Captain Samyl, Sir Elisedd, I am in need of your assistance.”
The two men rose immediately and followed Drech away from the camp. When they had walked far enough away that Drech was sure the rest of the party could not hear them, he addressed Sir Elisedd.
“You read in Latin, Sir-Knight,” Drech said.
Sir Elisedd knight hesitated, knitting his brow in confusion. “I… do…”
“A Gewissae knight,” Drech said. “A Saxon 'ridend' learn to read in Latin. I do not believe it.”
“I had an excellent education, Dominus.”
“Too excellent, Sir. Speaking Latin and Brythonic one might expect in this age, but to read so fluently in Latin? You must have had the best education in Gewisland!”
“King Acca paid for my tutoring,” Sir Elisedd replied. “He was most generous.”
“That is generous,” Drech mused. “That he should pay for a knight to have a better education then many a prince.”
The Giwessae's jaw dropped and for a moment he could not utter a sound. “I… do not–”
“Chose your words carefully, Sir,” Drech warned.
Sir Elisedd sighed, surrendering. “I am no knight. I am a prince. I am the Prince of Tiwton.”
“King Acca's heir,” Drech mused.
“Yea,” Sir Elisedd muttered, reverting to the language of the Saxons.
“You should have told me.”
“I obeyed my father's wishes and joined your cavalry in secret,” Sir Elisedd replied. “How could I then tell you I was a prince?”
“You could because you had to,” Drech said. “Lord Orson did not choose you. He picked all of the other men to be in my Guard, but not you. I picked you. I told Orson that I wanted you to be in my Guard because I trusted you with my life.”
“And now you no longer.”
“How can I? When dozens of princes on both islands want me dead, and here I find a secret prince in my own Guard!”
Sir Elisedd nodded in silence.
“Go back to the others,” Drech said. “We shall not speak on this now.”
The Gewissae went without another word, and Drech turned to Captain Samyl.
“What do you think?” Drech asked.
“I do not know, Dominus,” the Captain replied.
“Neither do I.”
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Janet:
From here ... When Drech had walked a distance away that he was sure the rest of the party could not hear them, he addressed Sir Elisedd. Maybe I have missed it, but it feels all of a sudden that Drech addressed Sir E's Latin ability. It feels out of the blue.

Ah! I see! What if I get rid of the scene break?

While the servants made fires, Drech and Orson talked.
“You shall have to be careful with this charade, Drech,” Orson said. “A man's training, upbringing, habits, always come out.”
“I was born a prince and am playing one,” Drech said. “I doubt anyone will suspect I am more, unless one of the knights calls me Dominus' or an Eire has seen me before in Albion.”
As he spoke, Drech realized that both situations were highly likely. The sooner he got to Teamhair and addressed the Ard Ri the better it would be.
“Perhaps,” Orson mused. “Yet you have adapted to your role as Pendragon, and I believe that does come out in your behavior.”
Drech could not help but smile at his mentor's words. Less than three and a half years before, he had to convince Orson that he was ready to claim his inheritance.
But a new thought spun in Drech's mind.
“Excuse, me, Lord,” he said. “Captain Samyl, Sir Elisedd, I am in need of your assistance.”
The two men rose immediately and followed Drech away from the camp. When they had walked far enough away that Drech was sure the rest of the party could not hear them, he addressed Sir Elisedd.
“You read in Latin, Sir-Knight,” Drech said.
Sir Elisedd knight hesitated, knitting his brow in confusion. “I… do…”
“A Gewissae knight,” Drech said. “A Saxon 'ridend' learn to read in Latin. I do not believe it.”
“I had an excellent education, Dominus.”
“Too excellent, Sir. Speaking Latin and Brythonic one might expect in this age, but to read so fluently in Latin? You must have had the best education in Gewisland!”
“King Acca paid for my tutoring,” Sir Elisedd replied. “He was most generous.”
“That is generous,” Drech mused. “That he should pay for a knight to have a better education then many a prince.”
The Giwessae's jaw dropped and for a moment he could not utter a sound. “I… do not–”
“Chose your words carefully, Sir,” Drech warned.
Sir Elisedd sighed, surrendering. “I am no knight. I am a prince. I am the Prince of Tiwton.”
“King Acca's heir,” Drech mused.
“Yea,” Sir Elisedd muttered, reverting to the language of the Saxons.
“You should have told me.”
“I obeyed my father's wishes and joined your cavalry in secret,” Sir Elisedd replied. “How could I then tell you I was a prince?”
“You could because you had to,” Drech said. “Lord Orson did not choose you. He picked all of the other men to be in my Guard, but not you. I picked you. I told Orson that I wanted you to be in my Guard because I trusted you with my life.”
“And now you no longer.”
“How can I? When dozens of princes on both islands want me dead, and here I find a secret prince in my own Guard!”
Sir Elisedd nodded in silence.
“Go back to the others,” Drech said. “We shall not speak on this now.”
The Gewissae went without another word, and Drech turned to Captain Samyl.
“What do you think?” Drech asked.
“I do not know, Dominus,” the Captain replied.
“Neither do I.”
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I think we should all try to protect our intellectual property.

If a writer gets famous, then people start selling illegally obtained drafts of that writer's books. It happens all the time. Drafts from old books that are already published and drafts from new ones that are still being workshopped.

I don't expect to ever "make it big" but still, better to be overly cautious now, and then have the ability to choose to be lenient later. Then to be careless now, and have no control later on.

njc wrote:

The paradox of painting, photography, sound recording, and cinema is that they let us see a glimpse of the past as though it were there when we know otherwise.  We can fall in love with Judy Garland, ache at the longing in Satchmo's voice or the richness of Connie Francis's, be charmed by the young Shirley Temple,  enjoy the youthful performances of Nimoy and Shatner, hear an orchestra under the baton of Toscanini or Bernstein, just as if we'd lived with them.  Creepy?  A little, maybe.

My advice, for what little it's worth, is to consider the last verse of Tennyson's =The Lady of Shallot= and make your peace with this time travel.

Growing up, we watched all the old classics, and my younger sister developed a hard crush on Yul Brynner! Never mind the fact that he died less than a year after she was born!

KHippolite wrote:

Okay. A quick Google says you're stuck with "Scathach". That's a pity.

I can change the spelling to "Sgathach" if you think that is better? Let me know!

janet reid wrote:

Rebecca, keep in mind that I'm late to the party. I've only read book III and now book IV. It seems to me that you have a (REALLY) good reason to have this scene included - I like how it extends the rivalry/tension between Drech and Enhiniti. I guess Drech doesn't know that Enhinit works for the rival school? *snickers* That'll be good!!!! In any case, no need to delete it - it has purpose. I'd probably change my comment then to maybe foreshadowing or hinting (subtly of course!) at some of this purpose and reason for having this scene. As it stand now, and this is only my opinion, it reads kind of out of place and I couldn't make out what the purpose of the scene was. So if you add something, as I say, subtly, for the slow ones like me, it will very likely make my whole comment go away.

Hope this helps/makes sense! Janet

I'll leave it in for now and deal with it next draft then! It is possible when I get to the end of this book, everyone will be like "Why is that chapter with the Fortress of Shadows there?" Haha!

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janet reid wrote:
Rebecca Vaughn wrote:

The author is trying to win the "big cock contest" by giving her hero some extremely large maleparts.

It is just an ego trip.

The measuring anatomy is not just female characters or female authors. Male characters and male authors will do the same to female characters in the book. The man guessing the woman's bra size as double D? Or her hip/waist ration?

It is all just to stroke the ego of the writer.

To me, there's a difference though. Guys do that IRL, trying to guess cup size. I think a few of them are pretty good at it too. Whereas women notice a guy's size, but we don't measure to the nearest inch. At worse, they'll go 'he is/was huge' and even that is all relative. But so many fingers and yay thick?

I could have double standards, but if a guy talks double D, it rings true. Not so much when women start measuring to the nearest inch ...

But that it's possibly just to stroke the author's ego, I think that's a really good explanation!

I see what you mean, but I think the male stuff is still too explicit.

Most women do not know their correct bra size, (Myself included until I got professionally fitted!) so why should I believe that a fictional man could guess a bra size correctly? And what is the point of the character or the narration mentioning an actual clothing size when the story is not centered around shopping? It can just as easily say her breast were the size of cantaloupes. Or describe how her cleavage looks. Why say "She must wear a Double D!" ? I think it is all the "big cock contest" only altered to fit female anatomy.

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The author is trying to win the "big cock contest" by giving her hero some extremely large maleparts.

It is just an ego trip.

The measuring anatomy is not just female characters or female authors. Male characters and male authors will do the same to female characters in the book. The man guessing the woman's bra size as double D? Or her hip/waist ration?

It is all just to stroke the ego of the writer.

amy s wrote:

I agree that the film was rife with inaccuracies, but the beefcake was nice to watch. I found it thought-provoking to learn about Thermopylae. Our entire civilization would be a very different place if the Persians hadn't chosen 1) that site to land, 2) that pass as a choke point, and 3) 300 men hadn't been standing in the way. As far as significant-globe-changing-battles, that one is certainly near the top of the list. That, and the battle of Marathon.

Here is a site I liked. http://ancientgreekbattles.net/Pages/48 … opylae.htm 

Don't know how much more accurate it is than others, but still an entertaining read.

Oh, and '300' also let Lena Headey get a meaty role (Cercei Lannister from Game of Thrones)

Your list of likes about the movie were my complaints! But we cannot all enjoy the same stuff I guess...

I would like to see a historical account of Queen Gorgo though. That would be interesting!

Hahahahahaha!

Mine insisted that the sequel was better and tried to get me to watch it with him. So I listed all of the historical inaccuracies in the first one until he left me alone! Bwahahahahahahahaha!

janet reid wrote:
Rebecca Vaughn wrote:

No plot slaying! Just my lack of description in a battle scene.

(Unless you were talking about 300?)

I thought we're not allowed to mention 300 ...... My husband made me watch, I swear! smile


I blame my husband too!

Ironically he hated it almost as much as I did! I got back at him by making him watch The Princess Frog

No plot slaying! Just my lack of description in a battle scene.

(Unless you were talking about 300?)

amy s wrote:

Rebecca, you said, "The archers are not shooting because the soldiers are fighting hand to hand. They could not risk shooting their own men in such a mess. This is why Drech picks the one archer whom he knows is a marksman. I'll try to explain that better."

Here is my issue. You have a shield wall with locked shields and spears/ swords poking above and through the breaks in the wall. You have organized ranks of fighters...like eight deep...adding reinforcement to the front line. So far, the lines are intact, so the rival is bunched in even ranks.

This is not hand-to-hand in the strict definition. It isn't a melee where everything is just chaos and archers can't shoot without risking hitting their own.

So...

The opposing shield wall is locked and pressing against Drech's shield wall. How can this archer shoot through eight-thick ranks of men, penetrating through a break in the shield wall, and then hitting the opposing side? While standing on ground level and without elevation? Unless the fighters in the back ranks are using their shields to cover their heads (like the Greeks did in the movie 300), then the back ranks are both vulnerable and accessible because the archer has to elevate his bow to go over the heads of his own team and then drop the arrow into the massed enemy.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Don't talk about 300! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Ok, I'm ok. I'm ok.

Perhaps my error is in the description. Neither the soldiers nor the Angle warriors are not eight deep. They are only about four deep. This is about three and a half feet for either side (three and a half feet for the Britannae and three and a half for the Angles.) Beyond that is many feet of space. If all of the archers shot they would have to shoot very high to get the arrows over their own men (which is risky) but not so far as the arrows would pass over enemy and be wasted.

One of the reasons the medieval kings had to order hundreds of thousands of arrows to be made is that most ended up stuck in the ground because of random shooting. Drech isn't a medieval ruler/general, as he was brought up with the Roman precision warfare training. He would not tell the archers to shoot when he knows that for most of the men, their arrows would end up in their own soldiers or stuck in the ground and wasted. There are other times where Drech tells all of the archers to shoot, but that is because the enemy is spread out before them or their is space between the enemy and their own men, making the risk of killing their own a none-issue.

Sorry the scene ended up being so confusing. sad
I will try to go into much more detail as to the layout and Drech's judgment/choices so that it is more clear.

I like your use of words! I think it fits with your stories perfectly!

janet reid wrote:

Rebecca, regarding American and proper English spelling, British spelling have been around long before American spelling, is my only reason. Having said that, it's not a hard and fast rule, since American spelling is acceptable especially if the target readers are from the States. I have seen Regency Romance novels using both. So I think you're good, as long as you keep it consistent, which I think you are (although I only noticed you use American spelling today for the first time, so clearly it's a massive problem, not!).

I suppose it makes sense to try to use something that is older. But I have written "kidnapped" in my stories only to have readers want it replaced with the more modern "abducted," so I'm not sure the age of a word or age of the spelling of a word really matters. I don't know. I have always used American English Spelling, so I'll just stick with that.

njc wrote:

First rule of writing an Epic:
Never define your story as Epic. Always let someone else do that for you!

Right.  You let your editor and book designer or cover artist do it for you!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

njc wrote:

I'd allow about 180 words, less than a page, painting a rough picture of the world.  I ran in a lot of items, but I think four might do it.  You don't need or want to go into any depth on any of them.

There's no point diving into Britain, since the story will take that over.  Instead describe the neighborhood, as it were, and end by turning, with a one-sentence teaser, to Britain.

You might set the scene in a town by mentioning the church, the town hall, the country doctor's house, and the newspaper office above the drugstore.  Ellery Queen does this for Wrightsville in some of the Wrightsville novels, and at some length.  (I'm recalling, I think, =Double Double=, one of the 'return to ...' stories.)  But this doesn't need the depth, because it's just creating a sense of the world.

Why not try lining up three or four summary items and seeing how it reads?  Try for fifteen to 25 words each, between three and six proper nouns in each?  You know the history, I don't.

Ah! I think I see!
Focus on the world stage to paint a picture of the times.

I'll have to work on that...

Thanks!