Unfortunately, I can never find the right words for these occasions so I'll just say, Condolences, GP. She made a difference in the world with you. Take care. Vern
502 2017-09-28 22:42:25
Re: Great Books on Writing (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn or anything else by Mark Twain
I learn by example. Take care. Vern
503 2017-09-27 23:05:21
Re: That famous first line! (8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
First line from my novel, Root Hog or Die:
**Mom just sat there wringing her hands as if trying to squeeze mercy from God while Granny jabbered on betwixt sucking on a cigarette and taking frequent shots at her spit can.**
Of course it is subject to change depending upon which version I decide to query at any given time -- sometimes I start with a different chapter. Take care. Vern
504 2017-09-25 22:33:46
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0us2UbWFTCI
Take care. Vern
505 2017-09-22 11:54:17
Re: Out of the "office". (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Nope. He said two weeks, maybe more from the 10th. If he doesn't show back up, you'll know he's having a better time there -- wherever it is -- than here. Now who would lie about such a thing? Take care. Vern
506 2017-09-20 23:07:04
Re: Sol...a question about Non fiction posting (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Non-fiction is already listed in the genre categories which is basically the first thing you see listed in the general information about the works posted. It is listed just below the author and before the groups to which it is published. And if anyone is unfamiliar with the authors who post non-fiction then all they need do is make a search for it under all postings. Not sure what else needs to be done; not much different than looking for stories about romance, history, western, etc. -- all personal preferences of many. Take care. Vern
507 2017-09-19 22:52:57
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Adam Smith was a good economical writer -- The Wealth of Nations, etc. Take care. Vern
508 2017-09-19 22:42:43
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Chickens in the dickens
509 2017-09-19 12:11:00
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The right word is economical. It delivers great value to the reader with minimum interpretive effort, and no distraction from a need to assemble a picture from multiple words.
"That's right," he economical.
Take care. Vern
510 2017-09-19 02:09:06
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Bah humbug
511 2017-09-18 03:57:09
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:Okay, I'm going to get a little nit-picking here as far as the subject of moving the story forward is concerned -- any good thread always seems to veer from the path somewhat. That being said, if we're going to move forward, it just as well be logical. My concern is the use of "he paused" as a speaker tag as presented above. I bring this up only because it has been used in more than one post. It seems to me rather impossible to speak a pause. You can certainly have a pause after speaking, but you can't speak that pause; therefore it is not an effective speaker tag imho. Thus a period rather than a comma would seem more appropriate in the sentence "'I have terrible news,' he paused." ("... news." He paused.) Just a thought. Take care. Vern
Vern,
No. The "he paused" is not a tag as we use them in dialogue. Let's try "froze" instead because it's getting confused as a dialogue tag. Consider this example.
John walked into the room. He froze.
As a reader, I am wondering why. What's in the room? What does he see? What made him stop?
And I'm not going to give the answer in the next sentence. I may describe some sweet foul odor and an unidentifiable figure bundled in the recliner first. Then I'll reveal to my reader that there's a dead body in the room and it's John's father.
Sherry
You are correct in that the example you use here is not a speaker tag because there is no dialogue as written. If, however you wrote it as "he paused" was used in the opening of this thread i.e. "'I have terrible news,' he paused" then it would be a speaker tag because "I have terrible news" is written as dialogue. By the same token if you had written, "'I have terrible news.' He paused." then that would not be a speaker tag and this discussion would never have happened. As I've stated, you are of course free to write it any way you wish, but the way the original is written is a speaker tag which makes using "paused" illogical. Still, it is your call to do whatever you wish with your writing. I'm merely pointing out the problem with the way "paused" is used as a speaker tag. The ultimate choice is up to you and any future editor, etc. you may wish to work with. As stated previously, best selling authors may get away with ignoring a lot of technical grammar stuff, but even James Patterson, who was given as an example of one to break the rules, uses the speaker tag correctly in every instance I've seen. Take care. Vern
512 2017-09-17 23:37:32
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
j p lundstrom wrote:In other words, fancy word choice does not equal a good story. Just read Mark Twain.
Amen! One of the best tidbits in this entire thread in my opinion.
Alan
I don't think anyone is arguing for using fancy words. The right word doesn't equate to fancy. Mark Twain used the "right" words for his characters and chose them very carefully -- he did use what some might consider "fancy" words in his writing when called for which was not generally the case in his best known works of Tom and Huck. In any case, I doubt that there are many which would call "paused" a fancy word though it is the one which jump-started this discussion. However you would describe the word (fancy or plain), if it is used in a manner such as a speaker tag where the use defies logic because it could not possibly be spoken -- you can't possibly speak a pause by definition -- then it just might need to be given a second look.
It should be obvious that one word is not going to make or break a story -- no one is saying such -- but if the wrong words are constantly chosen, a "good story" is most likely not going to be read by a lot of people. Fighting with ill chosen words will dampen the impact of even the best of stories to the point where it just might remain unread. More to the point, there are only so many plots (seven is an often used number though there is jiggle room in both directions) to write a good story about and the way to make our "good story" stand out from the millions of versions of the same storyline is the words we choose to tell that story and the way we put them together. In our own telling, we will hopefully choose words, fancy or not, which is the most appropriate and accurate for the story being told and the characters involved in such story. Every author is certainly entitled to whatever words they so choose regardless of what any reader, editor, publisher, etc. thinks about it even if they produce an impossible scenario as does "paused" used as a speaker tag. No one can choose our words for us without our permission. I offer only my opinion which anyone is free to consider or ignore. Write on. Take care. Vern
513 2017-09-17 00:03:01
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I ain't never been accused of being no grammar Nazi to which most anyone I've ever reviewed could attest since I generally state in my first review of an author that I don't as a rule comment on such. However, the speaker tag can sometimes be a special little nit -- I say "nit" for a reason as that is what I considered it to be in my previous comment. Now someone such as James Patterson may say he doesn't particularly dwell on grammar and I take that on face value and agree with it. But he also almost always uses said, asked, and other variations of speaker tags which can actually be spoken. Every instance I could find of him using "paused" was not used as a speake4 tag, but rather a separate description. I expect there is a reason for that beyond the casual attitude toward grammar. All this is not to say anyone who uses "he paused" or such as a speaker tag is doomed to literary hell as they could become a world famous author such as James Patterson and be the first to introduce us to the value of using such speaker tags. (As far as I can tell James Patterson hasn't done it.) Stranger things have happened. Take care. Vern
514 2017-09-15 23:12:17
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Okay, I'm going to get a little nit-picking here as far as the subject of moving the story forward is concerned -- any good thread always seems to veer from the path somewhat. That being said, if we're going to move forward, it just as well be logical. My concern is the use of "he paused" as a speaker tag as presented above. I bring this up only because it has been used in more than one post. It seems to me rather impossible to speak a pause. You can certainly have a pause after speaking, but you can't speak that pause; therefore it is not an effective speaker tag imho. Thus a period rather than a comma would seem more appropriate in the sentence "'I have terrible news,' he paused." ("... news." He paused.) Just a thought. Take care. Vern
515 2017-09-14 12:11:10
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Yes, if you type in the person's name in the search bar on your home page, it will take you to a possible list of authors and then click on that author. Once on their profile page, there is an option to block. If the person has you blocked, when you get to the profile page, it will tell you the author's profile is private.
As stated above, I've done the search with both blocked and unblocked members and I do not find an option to block on any profile I bring up. It must be in Greek or some other form I can't read or see. But I don't intend on blocking anyone, so I guess maybe the site figured that out and doesn't give me that option. Take care. Vern
516 2017-09-14 02:26:47
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
On your drop-down menu, go to settings. You will see four choices on the left; the second one down is Blocks. Select Blocks. The description says they can't access your stuff. You can still access theirs. They have to block you in order to keep you from reading their work.
To block someone, Use Search to call their name up. You will see the option to block them. If I can do it, anyone can. JP
Apparently you have a special talent that not "anyone" has. I tried it just to check and all I get when I choose the "block" option is that I have no one blocked. There is no option to enter a name to block. I can't use search to bring up a name and it give me a "block" option; it doesn't exist in this case under this scenario. So, this is obviously a situation for Sol to correct and make available to all users should they desire. I have no intention of using it -- as far as I know, I'm blocked by only one person and count that as a blessing and they are not worth lifting a finger to return such block -- but it should still be there for all members if for any. And the beat goes on .... Take care. Vern
517 2017-09-13 02:21:20
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Daddy Warbucks (on, over, surrounded, and rolled in money)
518 2017-09-12 22:30:44
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Awesome response
519 2017-09-12 12:11:20
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
"Love is something sent from Heaven to worry the Hell out of you."
520 2017-09-11 06:09:15
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Marilyn Monroe
521 2017-09-11 06:04:52
Re: Good job! (35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Randall and Vern, You misunderstand. Of course we're giving each other suggestions.
I'm talking about the phrase itself. "Good job!" sounds like you're patting a puppy on the head. The reviewer is "treating with apparent kindness while betraying a feeling of superiority," taken from the definition of patronizing.
Vern, your phrase, "A good job overall" doesn't have the same bite. Although I could call it damning with faint praise.
Anyways, we all have our opinions. And that's all they are -- opinions.
I didn't misunderstand; I merely didn't agree with your "opinion" about using "a good job" in the review. And yes, I agree that all we have is our opinions when making suggestions. Good job in pointing that out. Hopefully you don't consider that patronizing. Take care. Vern
522 2017-09-10 22:57:07
Re: Good job! (35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I agree with RK. I probably make more suggestions when I review than most, but I still most times add that it is a good job overall. There is nothing contradictory or patronizing about pointing out what might be improved within an otherwise well written piece. There is always some redeeming value to a work in progress and a spoonful of sugar.... Take care. Vern
523 2017-09-10 20:16:35
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Pay-it-forward
524 2017-09-06 01:58:09
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Debt collection
525 2017-09-05 22:46:42
Re: Moving a Story Forward (40 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
To move a story forward, I generally take one step at a time until I fall on my ass, then pick myself up and start the next step. Basically I create a beginning and an end point and then advance by increments between the two. All the steps don't need to be the same length or even in the same direction as we seldom walk in a straight line at an even pace. As long as there is some movement in the general direction of the final destination, we will get there, hopefully without wandering so far astray as to lose the readers following our footsteps. A flashback might be considered a step backward, but I don't think it really is since it ultimately brings us back around to where we started the flashback or even beyond with some new vigor in our journey to the original goal. "Slowly we turn; Niagara Falls." If you have to ask, you won't get it. Take care. Vern