As I've thought this over, I agree with you. People will ask "How on earth did that happen?" So, an explanation attempt is a good direction to go. Will everyone be happy with what you come up with? Probably not. But like what you write. And keep on writing.
176 2024-03-09 20:29:02
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
177 2024-03-07 17:26:53
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
If not spiritual DNA, how else might Connor get his powers? Some form of transfer of part of Satan's corrupted spirit into Connor's spirit after birth? If I were to use the latter, then there would actually be true evil in Connor's spirit. That would break the story since the premise is that Connor is not evil. He has free will and the ability to turn away from Satan. Connor just needs to have his eyes opened by people who care about him (his family) that Satan is a manipulative SOB who never actually loved Connor, despite what he told Connor throughout his childhood.
There was only one immaculate conception, two if you're Catholic. But even Darth Vader had enough good inside him to turn from the dark side therefore Connor would have some good and bad inside him. We all have free will to turn away from Satan and towards God.
Sorry, I feel like I'm missing a point you made a long time ago or recently.
178 2024-03-07 17:00:43
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I have no problem with Satan having spiritual powers. After all, he is a spirit. But I needed an explanation for how Connor came to be and where he got his power from. If Connor could have "inherited" powers from Satan (much like I inherited my hair color from my parents), how would that have happened? Is there an ability to transfer power from a spirit into a human? And how does one get it from spirit to human? Is it sufficient for Satan to simply think it, and therefore it happens (not believable IMO)? Or is there such a thing as "spiritual" DNA? If so, how do you get it from Satan into Campagna and down to Connor?
I might be wrong, but I imagine that most people would say - Satan has sex with a woman through a zombie man, therefore evilness is passed to the kid. Especially, if the kid is the AC. Are you over thinking this? The spiritual side of Connor should be powerful to manipulate the physical world.
And of course! This is just brainstorming!
179 2024-03-05 15:44:47
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
There's mucho info there. I must ponder and then respond. Sorry for my slow response...
One comment. I personally think it's totally appropriate for Satan to have powers and not use DNA. I've heard that one of the storms on Lake Galilee when Jesus walked on water was a spiritual attack. So, Satan (or underlings) was able to whip up a storm on his own.
180 2024-03-04 15:08:05
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Several thoughts:
- just as Satan was not inherently evil from the moment of his creation, neither is Connor; he has his mother's DNA, De Rosa-the-zombie's DNA, with changes to the zombie's sperm to give Connor his supernatural powers; the only thing Connor got from Satan was his powers, no predisposition to evil and certainly no demonic spirit; Satan has been trying to corrupt Connor since he was born, and for book 1 and half of book 2, it appears Satan may yet succeed; however, given that Satan manipulated the zombie sperm, I generally refer to Connor as part demon, albeit with almost 100% human DNA and a human soul
BUT! Sin enters at conception. Catholics say that Mary had the Immaculate Conception. You really complicate things by having a zombie in the equation. But the zombie was originally full of sin. So, it was passed to Connor... again, the zombie aspect is tricky and I'm assuming a zombie has a sin nature? They're controlled by demons. Satan is obviously bad spiritually. Maybe you can wiggle around the issue saying that zombies have no sin nature. Sin is passed through the man. BUT, the power is spiritual so Satan won't need to finagle the sperm.
My brain is beginning to zone out... tell me what you think.
181 2024-03-03 15:41:05
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Cool addition for the fight - the Eucharist that's always on display in the basilica (as part of the ongoing charade of Connor being Christ) isn't destroyed during the fight, even though everything around it is. Instead, it begins to glow brightly within the monstrance used to display it, moments after De Rosa defeats Connor. The two of them approach to within perhaps ten meters of it, and De Rosa goes to knock it off the altar but is unable to get near it due to excruciating pain, so he storms off. Curious, Connor tries to approach it and is able to do so. He can even pick up the monstrance. Sometime later, someone notices the sacrament is missing, the implication being that Connor took it.
Good scene. The important word is "implication". And when you say - took it. I assume you mean he consumed the bread and wine. I have real problems with Connor doing anything with the sacrament except leaving it alone. MAYBE a crumb or drop is okay. If it affects De Rosa then it should affect Conner. BUT I'm getting used to your twists and turns. If it means he simply moved it, then perhaps it's okay. If Conner is half of De Rosa then it should still be somewhat powerful to Conner. This by the way is one of the big questions for me. How can Connor partake in the Eucharist? How did he hide it all along?
182 2024-03-03 00:27:18
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
The beauty of fiction! John Paul II's tomb is up on the main floor, as is the Pieta, and the Chair of St. Peter. And who can forget the Baldaccino, which Connor knocked over in book one? I may also crack the church's huge dome. Should be fun!
Yeah! If at night, make sure the moon is full so that moon light falls through the crack onto the rubble on the floor! Sun light will do the trick during the day. Have the shadows form scary teethlike images. Sorry, I'm getting into it...
Oops, I edited my post and you responded before I posted...
183 2024-03-03 00:06:12
Re: My Sporadic Writing Life (6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Hey Dagny,
Best to you during this season. Hang tough and keep moving forward.
George FLC
184 2024-03-02 21:18:21
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
One other admirable thing about your writing is that you have respect for the Catholic Church. So be nice when you tear St. Peter's apart! :-)
185 2024-03-02 19:52:28
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I can say the same for Protestant, too
Herein is the problem because I'm bringing a judeo-christian upbringing into a catholic story. It gets difficult to navigate the intricacies.
Ah, good point. That's part of the beauty of this story. It's good to navigate new waters and there's a certain impressiveness in saying that you're group has been around for 2000 years. Too often we protestants have looked at Catholics and judged them harshly. And the opposite has happened as well. Let's look at it as an exercise in archeology/history and we're discovering new things. I've been hanging with Catholics for a while and I'm less at odds with them than I was.
Catholics are Judeo-Christian. They're different! But Judeo-Christian.
186 2024-03-02 15:05:36
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I feel like I'm entering this midstream. Why was it a problem to have Satan bring a church down? If there are Christians inside worshipping and praying at the time, then it makes more sense that he needs help. Or if there is much prayer offered up on behalf of the church regularly then it also makes more sense that he needs help. I have a hunch this might be how some Catholics will think about it.
Sorry if I'm getting too cynical but if the church is run by a Catholic in Name only (CINO) and there's no spiritual life there... then take it down! I can say the same for Protestant, too.
And why not just have the extra demons show up when needed? Gather the forces! Attack!
187 2024-02-29 23:29:57
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I added some edits to the above to show how to twist and bend it.
188 2024-02-29 23:12:43
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
If someone is part of the Charismatic Renewal, Pentacostal Movement, and others, then they can have prophecies (rhema).
It's an interesting concept, but the target for book one is the Catholic Church, the members of which are my target audience for book one. The Unholy Trinity won't go after other denominations until book two onward. Also, the dual timelines explain the discrepancies between an inerrant Bible and the story's timeline. Also, if someone comes along doing miracles and spouts explanations that appear to contradict the Bible, then that individual is an obvious antichrist, predicted by Christ in the New Testament, which shouldn't be believed. I don't think the Catholic Church would ever approve his words if they contradict the Bible without extraordinary proof such as provided by events in Rome, the Vatican, and the Holy Land related to the conspiracy surrounding Connor.
Also, I can't think of a realistic explanation in the new timeline that would allow prophets to interpret Revelation such that Christ will return as a boy, at the center of the conspiracy that will kill either Christ or Satan.
1. There is a Catholic Charismatic Renewal going on. I belong to one of their groups even though I'm a protestant.
2. Correct. It would be tricky to blatantly contradict the Bible. Cardinals in strategic locations are needed to twist, distort, etc.
3. A weak example is when you had actual dragonflies attack Conner in Israel. I thought those REPRESENTED helicopters or something. I thought they would be big not bug like.
4. This is REALLY weak but Revelation 12 figurative talks about the birth of Jesus. You would have to construct it to point to Connor.
Revelation 12 And then a great wonder appeared in heaven: There was a woman who was clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet. She had a crown of twelve stars on her head (Spiritually speaking, Campagna was incredible). 2 She was pregnant and cried out with pain because she was about to give birth (Just like it happened to Campagna).
3 Then another wonder appeared in heaven: There was a giant red dragon there. The dragon had seven heads with a crown on each head. It also had ten horns. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and threw them down to the earth (They were ready to wage war and kill Conner). It stood in front of the woman who was ready to give birth to the baby. It wanted to eat the woman’s baby as soon as it was born. (Satan wanted her to abort the baby! He was ready to kill it. But she said no!)
5 The woman gave birth to a son, who would rule all the nations with an iron rod (look at Connor's power! He should rule all nations). And her child was taken up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman ran away into the desert to a place that God had prepared for her (Campagna was in the police department for years separated from her son. It was like being in the desert for her). There she would be taken care of for 1260 days (this somehow has to be twisted but I'm not sure). (There are more verses but it complicates what I would like to see.)
There might be other verses in other chapters, but I can't think of them right now.
189 2024-02-29 20:42:05
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Timelines - This is complex, but I will try. I need to describe two Greek words - logos and rhema. Both logos and rhema are the Word of God, but the former is God's Word objectively recorded in the Bible, while the latter is the word of God spoken to us at a specific occasion (I copied this last sentence). If someone is part of the Charismatic Renewal, Pentacostal Movement, and others, then they can have prophecies (rhema). This can be God speaking through a person perhaps a prophet. This 'word from God' cannot contradict the logos or written word. Therefore, try having prophets show up or priests (bishops, cardinals, etc.) that give prophetic words that 'clarify' what the Bible says about a particular scripture. If Revelation can be figurative then these so-called prophets can tell people exactly what those figurative things mean. By the way, dreams, visions, and other things can also be claimed to be rhema words.
It will really help your cause if these 'prophets' show great spiritual power. You've done stuff like that with Conner already. If someone comes along and starts doing miracles, then I will almost guarantee that they will believe almost anything coming out of that person's mouth. You can craft great lies but have the crowds say - Did you see what he just did? Of course, this God speaking to us. And it makes more sense than the Bible does! And if the Catholic Church approves these prophets or prophetesses then so much the better.
This allows you to keep the original Biblical timeline but to distort it for those who see great power.
I hope this makes sense.
190 2024-02-26 15:42:16
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I've been thinking through the idea of alternate timelines some more to explain why the story's timeline doesn't match the Bible, which is of course from our real-world timeline. I think I need to find a better way to get our Bible into the story's timeline than to simply state that it "somehow" happened, perhaps because there is only one, inerrant God-inspired Bible across all timelines/realities, even though no other timeline except ours matches that Bible. It would be an interesting thing to discuss and try to explain that in the book, but I have no need or space for it.
Before I dig into the rest of your post, I must ask - Are you referring to a timeline defined by Revelations or the entire Bible or what? I ask because I understand that Revelations can be figurative. Does that include the timeline? In other words, is Revelations just a series of descriptions not set in a rigid order? Of course, the end stuff is obviously in order! Just a thought!
191 2024-02-23 16:47:42
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I also have to be careful not to give any hints about either Connor or De Rosa. Two of my story's four Christian readers to date guessed that Connor is/may be the Antichrist. There's a huge hurdle to jump when it comes to Christian readers since most serious Christians are highly sceptical right from the get go that Connor could be Christ returned as a boy because, to them, it can't happen. As a result, they may never even read the book.
You had me fooled! I assumed too much. Connor's lie bothered me, but I guess I let it ride perhaps hoping to change your mind.
I'll be tougher next time round!
:-)
192 2024-02-22 14:40:17
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
From Wikipedia (article about Michael):
Michael is mentioned explicitly in Revelation 12:7-12, where he does battle with Satan and casts him out of heaven so that he no longer has access to God as accuser (his formal role in the Old Testament). The fall of Satan at the coming of Jesus marks the separation of the New Testament from Judaism.
I'm not a theologian but don't you mean his role in the OT and NT? I've heard Satan described as the accuser of the brethren.
193 2024-02-22 14:26:35
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Kdot, don't forget the Christian cross around De Rosa's neck. As he admitted to Romano at the end of book 1, Michael the Archangel slipped it around De Rosa's neck while he was distracted. It's essentially a chain around De Rosa that limits his powers, causes his excruciating stigmata when he kills clergy, and prevents Satan from leaving De Rosa's body. Thus, no whisking. I based my story's "chain" on the one used to chain up the dragon in Revelation.
I have to admit you approach on the chain is interesting. Rev 20:1-6 is quite different from what you're doing BUT I like how you borrow from it. Very creative.
194 2024-02-19 21:58:54
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
In Matthew 4, Satan is able to whisk himself and clearly passengers wherever he needs to be. You'll need to do some legwork to understand why this Satan cannot
before Connor throws the dagger, he already knows, if he kills his father, then Connor is himself still destined for an eternity of suffering
Is this a catholic teaching?
Wouldn't it be premeditated murder? I have a feeling that that is hellish behavior.
195 2024-02-19 21:56:48
Re: The Archangel Syndrome (309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I don't remember if this was mentioned... How about if the shield reduces the energy beams by some amount, say a 20% reduction? Or if you pick something like a 50% reduction then the ships really have to duke it out before damage can be done. That might reduce the magic level.
196 2024-02-12 23:58:46
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I'm trying to remember how much de Rosa did. Should he jump in a little more with a slip here and there that causes people to wonder? Maybe have him and Connor lock eyes at some point and Connor turns nastily away. De Rosa always goes with the flow. Maybe he should swim against the flow. Or at least go in a different direction than Campagna sometime.
I might be stating things that you've already done but I have a great excuse in that I was on brain fog meds for a while :-)
197 2024-02-12 16:37:55
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about being in Israel! Oops.
198 2024-02-12 16:22:56
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
K and George, I'm wondering what you think of the hunt for the Antichrist. I personally think it reads like just a bunch of "episodes" that don't build on each other sufficiently. I think it's missing ever-increasing tension and "thrill" as the detectives get ever closer to identifying the AC. There is continuity between those chapters, but nothing particularly important ties them together.
That's going to be a bitch to fix.
Comment:
1. Really? Even with the Zombie Nuns and floating Conner? You manage to weave the history, geography, and story quite well. I remember commenting to you that it was not really a vacation of any sort! There was so much stuff going on. I'd have to reread it again but at this point I might respectfully disagree with you.
2. If you mean that the final revelation is about 100% and not a slow build, then you might be right. Conner lying was a flag that bothered me, but I told you about it and now I understand why you never anything with it. Perhaps a couple more things like that might be useful. Just some stuff that would cause increasing large question marks. Maybe he burns his fingers when it picks up the element when the monstrance is knocked over. The near 100% really caught me off guard. But which is better? And of course, Darth's statement "I am your father." caught the world off guard by 100%. It was great.
199 2024-02-12 16:07:13
Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,415 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Absolutely. If I remember correctly, Muslims consider Jesus a prophet but nothing more. Although, technically, Connor could try to convince them their beliefs are simply incorrect, that woud be something he'd be unlikely to be able to sell to most Muslims. However, his performance at St. Peter's Basilica would certainly help. Or, if I wanted to go nuts, I could have many non-Christian holy places "collapse" without explanation around the world as acts of God. Ditto for any places non-Catholic Christians revere but Catholics do not. Those are much more convincing events than mere attempts at persuasion. And, after all, these aren't actual acts of God since any reader of book one will know he's the Antichrist.
Let me revisit something. Yes, Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet, and that He did miracles and healings which is interesting. And apparently, they believe that He can still heal today. Also, he will come back on the day of judgement with someone else. I wouldn't be surprised if you already knew all this but here it is again if you need.
200 2024-02-02 14:24:24
Re: The Archangel Syndrome (309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I may, however, mention in the Galactipedia article on FTL travel that if a ship's atreidite-based reserves (batteries) are drained (e.g., in battle) and the ship is too far from a major source of neutrinos, then the vessel can become marooned in space, unable to power the boiler and recharge the atreidite. That adds a nice element of risk to space travel, although primarily for vessels forced to move away from a major neutrino source (e.g., a star). That could be military vessels engaged in combat, civilian ships fleeing pirates, etc. In those situations you better hope your atreidite-powered interstellar drones are fully charged to go for help. And since drones can't carry huge reactors, they can only make a limited number of jumps before they run out of power.
Interesting points. I like the added risk factor. Can the smaller vessels use "cables" to recharge the mother ship? Even if it's only a limited charge, it could be useful. Every car (spaceship) should have a set of cables. Can the larger ships recharge others?