>>In other words, I doubt many gay men were procreating with straight women in the past. To me, that suggests they would be bisexual men, not gay. Few people, if any, would be thinking about the survival of the human race if they didn't procreate. People had kids for personal reasons: kids worked long hours, whether on a farm or elsewhere, to provide cheap labor to support their families; they were also expected to help support their parents in their old age (still true in many countries); and they were a bit of insurance in case disease killed some of them, which was common.

I admit it. I've always just put gay and bisexual in the same boat. You're saying I'm wrong?!?!?! Hmm. Nothing like learning something new. I've heard of hetero men going to prison and doing homo stuff then getting out and returning to hetero. Can't it work with homo men needing to increase the family using women and then doing homo stuff on the side? I was not expecting this conversation!

They may not have been thinking in terms of the human race but like you said in terms of family, tribe, nation. I'd assume family would override almost anything.

>> Teens are horny because teens used to marry for most of human history. Back-checking on google, in 1610 the age of consent was 12. The act of 1653 moved it up to 14 (Women) 16 (Men)

Excellent point K. You had kids early and often. Otherwise, diseases, war, famine, and etc. would have wiped out the human race. I'm of the opinion that even if you were homosexual way back when that generally you were expected to procreate. Everyone needed you to generate children for shear survival. So, my hypothesis is that all homosexuals were bisexual. They would find out who had similar proclivities and spent time with them on the side while generating children. Or the homosexuals just kept quiet and still had some fun generating children.

Dirk B. wrote:

Christians generally don't mind stories that drift a little from accepted beliefs if the changes make it a more uplifting pro-Christian story. For example, Jacob Marley (Scrooge's business partner) appeared as a ghost. Even if one said it was his soul that appeared, what would a soul be doing outside of heaven or hell? The Catholic interpretation treats Marley as someone in purgatory who can't get to heaven until he convinces Scrooge to change his ways. I don't think anyone would have a serious problem with his presence in the story, as written.

Same with "It's a Wonderful Life". An angel took the main character (I forget his name) to see an alternate vision of the future in which the character was present to watch but not interfere, much as Scrooge had to. How many Christians will object to the idea of angels with wings and the idea that an angel has to earn his wings? The idea of wings has been around since the 4th century but it's not in the Bible.

Very good points. I liked both stories.

Dirk B. wrote:

And religions get a lot of things wrong even when they tell themselves their Bible is inerrant. If the Christian Bible is the inspired Word of God, how come Catholics and Protestants can't agree on what books belong in the Bible? They're only inerrant as long as you discount the "false" beliefs of all the other major denominations you disagree with. Lots of things for Connor to work with, and there won't be anyone in the books to challenge his corrupting rhetoric.

In a similar vein, the Catholic Church says teens will go to Hell if they masturbate. Why would God give teens the ability to masturbate, only to turn around and expect kids not to do so?

Sorry for such a slow response. My head is finally above water. I'm not a theologian but I'll try to answer at least some of your comments. Jews, Catholics, and Protestants agree on the OT books. Catholics and Prots agree on the NT books. The apocryphal books are accepted only by Catholics. And they were written between the OT and NT. So, the Christian side of the Bible is agreed upon, 100%.

I'm not a fan of all Catholic teaching. Masturbation is one such instance. But your logic is flawed. Why did God give us sex but then say don't have sex outside of marriage, especially with abortion in the future? He is the creator and hence the definer of usage.

I don't know if any of this is important to you, but I at least wanted to comment on some of it.

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Congratulations on your successful surgery. Be blessed and take your time.

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Wow. I did a quick peek, and it looks good. The weather should be different than Scotland I imagine.

Dirk B. wrote:

As for your expectations of what the Antichrist is like as a human being, what are you basing it on? A few verses in the Bible? Who's to say he doesn't care about his family? Even Hitler had a family. And as I noted above, my story is only loosely based on Revelation, especially as you go from book to book. That's what the foreword is for. If you want to read a Christian-themed story based loosely on Revelation, great. If you want a faithful telling of Revelation, these aren't the books you want to read.

There is much to comment on with everything you wrote. So, I will pick on a couple items:

>A few verses in the Bible?
I found a website claiming 25 verses on the AC. And they are all bad.

You said something a while ago that I've thought about - if I don't like my own story then there's a problem. So, write what you want. But you also taught me to keep audience in mind. I try to do that BUT I at the core of my Tribe story is something which will possibly piss off large swaths of Christendom. I plan to write about it anyway!

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It is an electromagnetic/gravitational/quantum/time weapon. A Unified-Field-Weapon. That is why it can penetrate through force shields and then crush hulls. It tears up the time space fabric in the process. It consists of quantum particles at hyper relativistic speeds (includes time) enveloped by EM fields and gravitons and are emitted at specific frequencies. And it can be alterphasic to boot.

> This opens up a world of discussions. It's that what you want?
Heck yes!!! Who wouldn't want their story to generate a lot of discussion?

:-) Oops, you're right, let me rephrase that! You brought up the possibility as to whether or not God created homosexuality. Why then create religions that oppose it? Judaism and Islam violently oppose it. Some Christians have also done the same. The thesis is that God possibly made a homosexual gender. That might turn people off.

I admit that I like the bisexual mix. I can see the AC doing heterosexual behavior outside of marriage and homosexual behavior. The Christ did neither. So, both the AC's actions are anti-Christ. I believe Left Behind has the AC getting a woman pregnant. And I've heard it taught that the AC was homosexual. But you mix it together. Interesting.

>>He's also pissed off that Satan raped his mother for sport so Connor could be conceived, which is what ultimately seals Satan's fate.
I'm of the opinion that the AC is so corrupt/evil/vile that he doesn't give a rip about his mother. Again, this is anti-Christ since Jesus loved His mother to the point of telling John to take care of her when He was on the cross. You take the Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker approach. There's some good inside there somewhere. That could be a tough row to hoe.

And of course, I'm taking this as close to what I believe as I can. And your story is your story. That overrides my opinions. However, I think many people will get turned off. It's hard for me to differentiate Connor with the AC I've expected.

I'll try answering more later...

Dirk B. wrote:

I decided Connor will be bisexual, although it won't come up until book two, where it will make a few eyebrow raising scenes possible. This raises the question of whether it is our soul or our DNA+nurture that determines sexual orientation. Since homosexuality is widespread among animals (who don't have a soul), it has to be the latter. I could extend that to ask whether it is God, our soul, or our DNA that determines our gender.

WOW! You don't fool around!

Be careful. A bisexual AC is interesting. I've heard that he could be homosexual but never bisexual. This opens up a world of discussions. Is that what you want? What do you mean by "it is our soul"? Is this the Choice option that Christians like to discuss? Could it be all three (soul, DNA, nurture)? If a boy is somewhat effeminate (DNA?) and has influential homosexual men in his life (nurture), and has a young man in his life that he loves (starting at brotherly love), does this somehow encapsulate all three? I've not had to think of this before so I might be stretching things a bit. Or messing things up! And now...

God? Three of the big religions (Jewish, Christian, Islam), do not support the thesis. This is a huge audience. Christianity says you don't have to die because of it. And I know that not all Christians have been very good about this. Ergo, for God to become the origin of homosexuality seems like a real stretch if not a contradiction.

Another possible issue is defending it from an evolutionary point of view. I'm not a pro so I would have to delve into this more.

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The spacetime gash allows the path to be seen which I was aiming for. Lasers, lightning bolts cannot be seen without debris or whatever. And I don't know how light sabers work. I'm not really sure what a light saber is! The gash allows you to decrease the power by whatever you want as it progresses. Linear decrease, inverse square? Who cares since it's all made up and you can be consistent about it. The ships can now calculate how much blast hits the targets based on distance. They might want to get just a little bit closer... or further away. Have fun rewriting!

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How about a weapon that momentarily rips through or tears up space-time. The tear or gash leaks energy which everyone can see. It's a concentrated Hadron beam weapon. I have no idea if this is feasible.

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How about firing a lightning bolt or a positron bolt (antielectron)? People see lightning storms regularly, so they won't wonder too much about the physics. If the electron and positron bolts collide at the target, then gamma rays are emitted. Bad.

This is a little similar to Star Trek's photon torpedoes that were composed of antimatter hitting matter and gamma rays were emitted.

But I think we only see lightning bolts because of the atmosphere heating up. Hmm. There would have to be debris in space which might be doable if you're a planet... I guess.

Keep on moving forward! It really beats the alternative.

I'm impressed with your creativity with all this. But I'm still thinking about it. Not everything is warm and fuzzy for me.

Dirk B. wrote:

Think of it as Siamese souls. Inseparable, but two personalities, two individual experiences, and a shared brain from Connor's body. Although Connor and Adam will be able to communicate and cooperate, I decided I prefer them to remain two beings sharing one soul. Initially, Connor's body is born with Adam's soul, except Adam is asleep. Baby Connor sets up shop in the same soul, and he doesn't know about Adam. Connor lives his life "normally" (heh) aside from being the son of Satan and, therefore, the Antichrist.


And just to make it interesting, I'll say that only one of Connor or Adam will remain for the rest of eternity. :-)

George's head is probably spinning right about now.

Did I answer your question, Kdot? lol

Have you seen the pics of the two headed girl? It's really odd but true. I'd rather you have Connor and Adam not share minds but share their emotions. It seems simpler to me. They can have mental arguments but still feel the same thing... I guess. I don't have any experience with this so I'm arm waving a lot.

I thought retirement was supposed to be easy. Stop spinning my head!!!

Dirk B. wrote:

SPOILER ALERT: Just so I can stop dancing around this topic, Connor's soul is that of Adam, and his companion is the glorified form of Eve.

I'd love to place Eve into Connor's inner circle, there to watch over him and to simultaneously work against the Unholy Trinity while pretending to be part of the conspiracy all along. That would give her a great role. She could wear a Mission Impossible-style mask that looks like Dr. Lombardi for the decade+ that she's known De Rosa and been part of his conspiracy; she'd also have to disguise her voice, but she's had a few thousand years to practice that. The reason Satan doesn't recognize he's dealing with a glorified individual in a mask is because Eve/Lombardi is able to hide the glorified element of herself using limited powers Eve received when she was glorified. Sort of like Emperor Palpatine was able to stand before Jedi and hide his true nature.

Since Satan told Romano at the end of book one that God's minions were forbidden from interfering as part of the rules agreed to between God and Satan, I'll need to figure out an exception for her that doesn't break the rules.

1. If Jesus left his glorified body behind to become a man, then perhaps so can Eve. In Philippians 2:7 it says that He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave. Angles can look like regular people. So, why not Eve? In fact, Satan might say "That really looks like Eve but there's no glory on her. It can't be her."
2. Can you use Adam and Eve's children instead of Adam and Eve? These, obviously, are the children never mentioned in the Bible and there isn't consensus on how many they did have. Adam lived a LONG time and I don't know how many children he had.
3. Be careful since it can sound New-Age-Ish if you're sharing people's souls.

Bill, thanks for the update. Praying for you. And thanks so much for serving in Vietnam.

George FLC

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Oops. Sorry guys. I might have messed up on my neutron cannon thesis, so I deleted the posts.

Kdot wrote:

Also, she still looks exactly as she did back then.

Fun side story... I was at a funeral last year for a parent. The daughter I'd dated a bit 30 years ago but fell out of contact since we didn't exactly have facebook in those golden days.

Okay, so fast-forward. I reach the plot and there's all these people milling around. I quickly locate her in the crowd, except something's off. My mental software says this is her, but my logical brain says she couldn't still look the same.

She's obviously curious why I'm just standing there staring, so I venture "Are you (X)?"
She replies, "No, that's my mom."

Cute, I like it.

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Ever hear of the triple point? From Wiki:

In thermodynamics, the triple point of a substance is the temperature and pressure at which the three phases (gas, liquid, and solid) of that substance coexist in thermodynamic equilibrium.

With this in mind...
Can you create a triple point or quad point for your weapon to operate at? The degenerate-plasma-quark state blast smashes into the shield. All of those are listed as states of matter. It's strictly made up! I'm combining different states of matter with triple point.

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I studied physics in high school and college. I'm probably a blend between hard core and space opera. I enjoy Star Wars but PLEASE, I want to see the energy source of the light saber and how it works... but they really look cool!

There are 4 classic states of matter and lots of non-classic states (wiki). And they list proposed states of matter. There might be some wiggle room for a new state. How about interdimensional matter? And maybe even more states.

Dirk B. wrote:

SPOILER ALERT: Just so I can stop dancing around this topic, Connor's soul is that of Adam, and his companion is the glorified form of Eve.

I'd love to place Eve into Connor's inner circle, there to watch over him and to simultaneously work against the Unholy Trinity while pretending to be part of the conspiracy all along. That would give her a great role. She could wear a Mission Impossible-style mask that looks like Dr. Lombardi for the decade+ that she's known De Rosa and been part of his conspiracy; she'd also have to disguise her voice, but she's had a few thousand years to practice that. The reason Satan doesn't recognize he's dealing with a glorified individual in a mask is because Eve/Lombardi is able to hide the glorified element of herself using limited powers Eve received when she was glorified. Sort of like Emperor Palpatine was able to stand before Jedi and hide his true nature.

Since Satan told Romano at the end of book one that God's minions were forbidden from interfering as part of the rules agreed to between God and Satan, I'll need to figure an exception for her that doesn't break the rules.

My goodness! That's very interesting. I'll have to think about that. Can the exception for Lombardi/Eve be that she's a woman? Perhaps the original contract was for men and angels who are male.

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Kdot wrote:

I seem to have a recurring problem with the Connor series in that there simply aren't enough strong female characters.

Given the massive headaches you already have to deal with, this one may be something you simply lean into / roll with.

That's what Tylenol is for. smile

I think the best solution is for Connor's former companion to come to Earth in her glorified body. While there is nothing in Scripture that says humans would ever do that, it would be less offensive than adding yet another reincarnated being.

If I were to make it Dr. Lombardi, then she's in the story from book one, and I can make her a more prominent character, dropping hints that she's more than she seems. Although it would be odd that she and Satan didn't recognize each other as supernatural beings, especially since she would look the same as she did when she lived millennia ago (except young again).

The other alternative is to introduce a new character from book two on. Although I wouldn't reveal her true identity until the end of book two or somewhere in book three, she could be there to assist Connor in some TBD way. He wouldn't fully recognize her from his former life because his soul doesn't fully awaken until the end of book two.

I also need to find a meaty role for Romano and Antonio. I may get rid of Antonio permanently after book one.

I'd not put Lombardi with a glorified body. And I agree that Satan would probably have known who she was. And you're probably correct in wanting another strong woman.

Kdot wrote:

I seem to have a recurring problem with the Connor series in that there simply aren't enough strong female characters.

Given the massive headaches you already have to deal with, this one may be something you simply lean into / roll with.

Consider also the eyebrows-raises I got for having female angels

Interesting. I've heard that female angels are never in the Bible. That might not be the case considering Zech. 5:9. However, Frank Perretti came out with his Darkness series and there was a female angel.