No problem, Randall. If all you did was to lose Internet for a while, then you've done alright for yourselves. I hope your wife is enjoying the weather!
Keep on writing.
George FLC
No problem, Randall. If all you did was to lose Internet for a while, then you've done alright for yourselves. I hope your wife is enjoying the weather!
Keep on writing.
George FLC
I don't know if this helps... Scriptures state that Satan can appear as an angel of light. So, it's not much of a stretch to think that Connor has a demon dog that masquerades as a nice little doggie. Perhaps it can spy on the good guys for Connor.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Holman Christian Standard Bible
14 And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no great thing if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their destiny[a] will be according to their works.
I just googled it and found that apparently Jesus did use sarcasm:
https://relevantmagazine.com/faith/4-ti … e-a-point/
Just remember... it's gotta be holy.
One thing I'd like to include, though, is the idea that Antonio becomes more and more holy as he does more good works. It's a transformation that would happen automatically. It slowly purges him of sin, so he can go to Heaven, which definitely is Catholic. I just have to be careful that his holiness doesn't ruin him as an interesting character. I figure he can still say sarcastic things without them being sins.
Did I answer your question? :-)
What? Being more holy is less interesting? Say it isn't so! Jesus was rather interesting. The apostles were rather interesting. Eternity will be nothing but holy so I expect it to be rather thrilling. Jesus said some pretty brutal things to people so perhaps sarcasm is allowed but it should be holy sarcasm... whatever that is. I gotta think on that one.
George FLC
Actually, I felt that your creativity earned an A. And since you came up with similar solutions as Dante then you're doing something right!
Can you treat "All the condemned souls go into the lake, but most emerge on other, pristine worlds in regular (non-glorified) human bodies. The remaining humans who Connor freed, go into the lake and end up elsewhere on Earth, which has also been restored to a pristine state" as a sort of purgatory? Or it's purgatory if they end up with glorified bodies.
Dirk B wrote:The demonic spirits and nastiest humans (past and present) will also enter the lake but wind up on nasty frozen or burning worlds, and their portals will be one way only.
I can't wait to figure out what kind of world to put Satan on.
Didn't Dante have some ideas?
There's an old joke about a fellow with his feet in a freezer and his head in an oven. On average, he's comfortable. Or you could assume a spherical cow ...
You are correct njc. Dirk, I was investigating your blue section above and came across something that sounds somewhat similar to what you wrote.:
The idea that there are different levels of punishment in hell is graphically portrayed in The Divine Comedy, written by Dante Alighieri between 1308 and 1321. In that poem, the Roman poet Virgil guides Dante through the nine circles of hell. The circles are concentric, representing a gradual increase in wickedness, and culminating at the center of the earth, where Satan is held in bondage. Each circle’s sinners are punished in a fashion befitting their crimes. Each sinner is afflicted for all of eternity by the chief sin he committed. According to Dante, the circles range from the first circle, where dwell the unbaptized and virtuous pagans, to the very center of hell reserved for those who have committed the ultimate sin—treachery against God.
Although the Bible does not specifically say there are different levels of punishment in hell, it does seem to indicate that the judgment will indeed be experienced differently for different people. In Revelation 20:11–15, the people are judged “according to what they had done as recorded in the books” (Revelation 20:12). All the people at this judgment, though, are thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13–15). So, perhaps, the purpose of the judgment is to determine how severe the punishment in hell will be.
A clearer passage is Luke 10, where Jesus speaks of comparative punishment. First, Jesus says this about a village that rejects the gospel: “I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town” (verse 12). Then He speaks to Bethsaida and Chorazin: “It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you” (verse 14). Whatever punishment the former residents of Sodom, Tyre, and Sidon were experiencing in hell, the Galilean towns that refused to hear Christ would experience more. The level of punishment in hell seems to be tied to the amount of light a person rejects.
Another indication that hell has different levels of punishment is found in Jesus’ words in Luke 12: “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked” (verses 47–48).
Whatever degrees of punishment hell contains, it is clear that hell is a place to be avoided.
I'm not done looking your stuff over, but this looked interesting to me, and it doesn't hurt to send chunks your way.
It feels like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You will have to explain the above without stating it exactly as you did above. Make it sound like Satan actually believes he has a chance. Expand this belief. I still like the notion that Satan is desperate and will grasp at straws to avoid an eternity in hell.
Expanding on my first comments. I can almost see Satan having an argument with one of his generals. "Don't you understand? We go to hell according to the Bible. We gotta try something! We can't just stand around doing nothing."
You have perhaps three options.
Firstly, Satan requests that God does not read Satan's mind throughout this process. Therefore, Satan has to make the bet before Satan starts making plans. The problem is that you no longer have an all-knowing God.
Secondly, in Philippians, it mentions that Jesus laid aside His Godlike attributes or powers when He came to earth. Granted, the Trinity would have lay aside all Their all-knowing attributes or suspend them for your story's timeline.
And that brings up the third option, don't mention the dilemma about God already knowing the end. And don't mention that you no longer have an all-knowing God.
Ouch! You are correct. If God created time, from the beginning all the way to the end, then He knows the outcome. He is not limited to time as we are. However, if Satan was willing to bet on being able to overcome and overthrow the eternal, almighty God, then he'd probably be willing to do it again. What does he have to lo lose? Didn't God know Satan was planning on rebelling?
Sorry, I'm coming in late. Busy, busy. As far as how demons look, how about like a hologram? Remember Princess Leia in Star Wars when she was explaining things to Obi wan, especially the beginning and the end of the message. It may not look like a rotting body, but it looks ethereal. Make it an ugly hologram!
Happy Labor Day everyone! I hope y'all were blessed with some rest today.
I'm not giving up. Deathies, or deathlies or deathers.
How about demon flesh, demon meat, demon corps (pronounced like Marine Corps)?
Thanks, Sol. Keep 'em coming.
George FLC
Hi all,
Because many new members come to kick the tires, get a bunch of reviews as a trial member, and then take off. I don't feel like this is fair to all of you and the community. Plus, I happen to believe that once people pay money, they are more motivated to put the time and effort into becoming part of the site.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Sol
Agreed. People are motivated by money.
George FLC
Randy, your plane took a wrong turn. Surely you intended to come to western Canada? Home of endless forest fires, broken healthcare, brutal winters, and a major political party overrun by (western) separatists. Still, I have to admit, the political entertainment is better where you are.
Enjoy your new home.
Dirk
Will there be a mass migration to Canada if Trump wins? How secure is your southern border?
:-)
Oops. Is this not an appropriate subject?
George
That's exciting! Welcome home. I hope y'all have a great time down thar. And I hope your wife likes hot weather.
George FLC
Thanks Dirk. Keep on debugging.
George FLC
Kafka has a nice ring to it. But I assume most people would have to google it.
Dirk, can you keep the site moving forward while Sol focuses more on Booksie? Is maintenance mode good enough for us?
Is there an estimated death date for NTBW? Or did I miss when it will happen?
Thanks.
Thanks for the update, Dirk. There's comments and discussions that need copying.
I don't know enough about Booksie to hardly comment on it. Does Booksie allow for uploading images?
I've wondered about a technical group. It would be great to have serious talks about anti-gravity approaches, AI, applying for patents, etc. I realize there are intellectual property issues, perhaps the group could be treated as confidential. And if you simply want to make contacts with other techno geeks then it's useful. I don't know how much the technical community worries about the art of writing so it could be very useful.
I've learned so much from TNBW. It's a pity to see it end. But life goes on!
Welcome back Marilyn. Glad to hear you have a clean bill of health. May you continue to be a productive member on this site.
Keep on writing.
George FLC
I put Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg address into Grammarly. Sorry, Abe. You only get a score of 85. Two -ly adverbs and 5 -ing verbs! And comma issues.
Granted there were different versions, but this one was the only one with his signature.
Opening sentence:
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Corrected by Grammarly:
Four hundred and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
I prefer the original line. Go Abe!