My current WIP is essentially two interwoven stories that connect at various points in time (over the course of about four weeks) and then finally merge at the climax. I average two scenes from each story per chapter, switching back and forth between them. Each chapter generally takes place over a period of 1-2 days. Time in between chapters can be arbitrarily long (e.g., a week). So far so good.

However, because of timing differences between the two stories, the first week of the murder investigation ends up taking place between chapters, where I skip forward a week. In scene 1.4, I introduce the detectives and they discover the body. In scene 2.2, I have to summarize what happened during the intervening week. I've tentatively chosen to have one of the detectives review the case in her head while the other detective is poring over security footage from around the murder site. It takes about two double-spaced pages to review the case in her head (1/3 of the scene).

How bad is it that I'm spending that much time in the detective's head with little else going on from the reader's perspective? I considered having them discuss the case to reveal these details, but I think that would seem forced/fake. They will eventually report their progress to their superiors, but that falls into a later scene. The best I can come up with is that the two detectives come up for air every few paragraphs to break things up a bit (e.g., Any luck with those videos? The warrants were approved. Don't forget to notify Interpol. Eek, a rat! Etc.).

Bottom line, I still need to spend about two pages in the detective's head reviewing (telling) the case. Does this seem reasonable?

Thanks
Dirk

Scene 2.2, the start of the murder investigation, is up. About half of it is new material.

Where's that from?

Given how slow my progress of late, I think I'll stick to group for now. Otherwise I'd need to do twice as many reviews for each chapter I want to post.

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I tried looking up an existing writer, Will H., but the search function says there is no match. He's in my list of connections and his account is still active. The problem exists on both Android phone and desktop PC.

Bill, I have a very hard time starting new scenes/chapters. I'll usually mope around endlessly trying to figure out how to write something, which is depressing and makes things worse. What works best for me is just to start writing notes in my Word document of the parts I think will be in the scene, then turn those into sentences, and eventually paragraphs. When my notes/sentences/paragraphs get too long to keep onscreen and in my head, I print them for easy reference. Scrolling up and down in Word doesn't work for me during the sausage-making period. I also move stuff around and delete garbage. What remains eventually turns into a scene. For my WIP, I got burned by not taking enough time to write chapter outlines, which is really just organized notes & sentences in a separate file. I've almost finished a detailed outline for my next scene, which I'll then use as the basis for the process I described above. It's a good thing my father was a sausage maker.

Pick a point in the story you want to write (any point) and start making notes or writing sentences & paragraphs. If you get stuck, go to another part of the story and do it again. I once wrote half a memoir's worth of material just by the seat of my pants before trying to organize it (because I had no clue what I was doing). However, it gave me enough material to do an actual outline of a story, which I turned into a sometimes funny but irreverent space opera. I decided it needs a major rewrite to rip out the irreverent parts, but it's salvageable. It's collecting dust while I try to write a Catholic-friendly story based on my Connor short story that you read some time ago. I just entered the latter in a Writer's Digest contest (my first). I thank you and others here for encouraging me to turn it into book form.

All hail the bratwurst!
Dirk

You mean there's a place in the universe with active writing forums? Please tell me it's not abbreviated FB? I'd rather herd cats.

At the risk of starting a feeding frenzy, I agree with Mariana. Head-hopping done well is often more concise. The following is from a scene in the POV of Father Romano, listening to Alessandro talk to a third person.

Without head-hopping:

Alessandro attempted to speak several times but seemed to have trouble finding the right words. Finally, he said, “...”

With head-hopping:

Alessandro attempted to speak several times but had trouble finding the right words. Finally, he said, “...”

When it's obvious to the POV character from context (omitted above for brevity), why spoon feed the reader "seemed to have"?

Naturally, I follow the herd, but it doesn't mean I always like it.

If I had the time, I'd try to write something that follows all of the rules, just to see how it turns out.

A slightly better ending for 1.4, IMO.

...
De Rosa climbed into the medical examiner’s van.
She fumed as she watched it drive out of sight. Given the Church’s millennia-old history of secrecy, Campagna suspected they would bury the autopsy results just as deeply as the cardinal.

That's a great book. Very handy.

I checked my Kindle library. WGF Revision & Self-Editing was among them. It's a really good book, so I'm spending the day rereading it instead of getting on with my poorly progressing book.

Thank you. I'll get on the list. Fortunately, the plot book in the WGF series was on sale for a couple of bucks.

Thank you, Temple. I'll look into those. I'm on a limited budget, so I have to restrict myself to one or two.

I've trolled through Amazon recently looking for great books on the craft of writing, only to come up pretty much empty. There seems to be an increasing trend where books are broken into bite-size Kindle fare that sell for $4 - $10 each. Has anyone come across a great book on this topic that made you a better writer? Please tell me there's more out there than Fiction for Dummies.

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Dirk

Thank you, Jack.

Does anyone knows of a good writing book that encompasses most (all?) of the writing elements highlight in this blog post? I'm currently reading the Write Great Fiction series, but it's just an excuse to charge $10 for each major story element.

Thank ye, kindly.

My latest book has 2-4 major scenes per chapter, usually alternating between the points of view of two main characters. I'll eventually settle on a few fancy characters to divide major scenes in the finished book (e.g., wingdings or whatever translates well to Kindle). However, I've come across situations in which time elapses and/or location changes within some of the major scenes and I want to skip ahead to the next important event within the same scene. I was thinking of using an extra blank line as minor scene breaks and then, as noted above, something a little fancy for major scene breaks. Is this a reasonable thing to do?

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Dirk

Thank you, both.

I've looked up capitalization for the title Secretary of State. Some style manuals recommend capitalizing prestigious titles, including this one. However, is the title still capitalized when you shorten it to secretary? Note that in the paragraph below, director general is, technically, also a prestigious title. He's the most senior officer in Italy's national police force. It seems goofy to capitalize secretary but not director general, although that's a slippery slope.

De Rosa said, “I have to update the Vatican. The Secretary of State is awaiting my call.” He pulled out his cell phone and stepped away. He returned a few minutes later and addressed Campagna. “The secretary has informed me that he and your director general have already been in touch this morning about how to proceed if it’s the cardinal's body. You should expect a call momentarily.”

Thanks
Dirk

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I've been stuck for hours, avoiding problems with my outline. I need a scene to fill in a gap, but the only obvious one is a funeral for Cardinal Vitale, but those usually (always?) take place at St. Peter's Basilica for cardinals. Even the disgraced Cardinal Law got a sendoff from Pope Francis there. However, I already have a scene planned for there as a special outing for the kids to go to Mass. I also have a funeral coming up involving Romano, so I don't want two of those either. I think I'll just go to bed and read. Maybe see how much I lost in the stock market today.

John Hamler made an interesting observation of my scene 1.2 (the one where Vitale is buried alive). Initially, I referred to the antagonist in that scene as "the man", albeit with demonic attributes. However, as I tweaked it, it evolved to the point where he identified himself as the Antichrist up front, which I figured is obvious from the book summary anyway. That means my book's antagonist appears and kills his first cardinal in the second scene of chapter one. There's little build up of tension leading to his first attack, except for him caught running out of the orphanage at the end of scene 1.1. Although it may be happening too soon, a lot depends on the murder, especially scene 1.4, which introduces the two detectives and the start of the murder investigation, something I want to include in chapter one. My other option is to kill scene 1.2 and move directly to scene 1.4, leaving the reader with some unanswered questions about the killer. As is, digging up the cardinal in scene 1.4 holds no surprises, since the reader saw him buried alive in 1.2.

EDIT: One benefit of scene 1.2, in my opinion, is that the reader can see that the burial is not as horrific as one might imagine if the body simply turns up in 1.4 and it's discovered Vitale was buried alive. I want to try to avoid gruesome deaths, and Vitale's is relatively benign, given how scary it would normally be for a person being buried.

Thoughts?
Dirk

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You mean I'm not the only one that keeps happening to?

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Are you finished with [T I a]? I noticed Mrs. [B l u e] is back.