After researching poisons, I decided to settle on good old cyanide. It's relatively painless if you take a lethal dose, which doesn't take much. So, basically, the dark being is going to be handing out cyanide (and water bottles?) to his victims. A painless form of suicide, which minimizes the amount of suffering that the dark being, in turn, experiences for killing cardinals. The undigested capsules will be discovered in the stomachs during autopsy, so the big question for the detectives and the Church is why cardinals are taking cyanide. I originally thought to have them wear a 666 ring and position them like an upside-down cross, but part of me wants to keep knowledge of the Antichrist's involvement completely out of the early killings and have the clues be more subtle and slow in coming out. That probably requires more deaths, which I've been trying to avoid. However, now that the deaths are all painless suicides, I may have a little freedom to kill a few more cardinals, if necessary. It would also mean losing all of scene 1.2 (Cardinal Vitale's encounter with the dark being). Regardless, the reader is ahead of the detectives since the book summary already states that the Church concludes it and Connor are being stalked by the Antichrist, so what's the point of delaying when the detectives learn the truth?

I'm going to take a crack at rewriting scenes 1.2 and 1.4 using cyanide rather than burying Vitale alive to see if I like it. Once those are written, I'll decide if I want to keep the Antichrist out of the picture completely until later.

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Are you on the distribution list for Writer's Digest? I found it through a link Temple posted here. I submitted a short story there, although there was a $35 entry fee. I figured since it was my only short story and had been edited (almost) to death that I would give it a try. Can't remember when the contest ends, but I think we're getting close. No word yet.

It occurs to me that I still have the attacks against Connor for thrill (e.g., my new prologue) and the cardinal deaths for murder/mystery. Only the manner of death will change. While I was relying on the different types of "forced" suicides to give the book some variety and avoid it becoming repetitive, I'll have to see if I can find other ways to maintain interest in the murder/mystery. Gives me something to think about this weekend.

Did you ever watch Angels & Demons directed by Ron Howard, based on the book by Dan Brown? That film is the definition of a thriller. However, it included numerous deaths of police officers, three gruesome deaths of cardinals, and a fourth one that Tom Hanks foils. And let's not forget the hidden antimatter bomb that would kill thousands in St. Peter's Square.

EDIT: The film is way better than the book at maintaining suspense/action.

The cardinal deaths came to mind again while reading a recent review by Clairedeplume. I've been trying to minimize the violence in this story to make it as palatable for my target audience (mainly Catholics & Christians) as possible. It was one of the reasons why I chose suicide over murder as the cause of death for all four cardinals that will die in the story. It's also the reason I limited the number of deaths to four (two before Connor goes to the Holy Land, and two after he's there, eliminating him as an obvious suspect given his supernatural powers). It's eventually revealed that, historically, over the decades (centuries?) there were many dead cardinals who appeared to die by suicide.

Buried alive is my favorite of the bunch, which normally would be considered quite gruesome (the detectives think so), but I show the burial as it's happening and the cardinal just lies there peacefully praying while being buried. He can't fight the satanic being who wants to kill him (the being is too powerful), so he decides to allow himself to be buried to avoid extreme torture, which is an acceptable excuse for suicide according to the Church. In other words, he'll still get to heaven. FYI, the reason the satanic being doesn't want to kill him outright is that killing a prince of the Church comes "at a cost" (suffering) for the being.

I've been debating since the beginning making the cause of death non-violent for all the cardinals. The first dead cardinal could still show up in the cemetery, so most of the story remains unchanged. Even scene 1.2 (Cardinal Vitale's death) may be partially reusable, up to but not including his actual death, which would have to occur before he's buried. All of the cardinals would be positioned in the form of an upside down cross and would wear a ring engraved with the numbers 666, the mark of the Antichrist.

What do you think? Can a thriller maintain tension if the cause of the four deaths isn't violent or gruesome? I was thinking if no one knows how they die, that would maintain the tension. In other words, someone is stalking cardinals and killing them, probably using some unknown poison. The trick becomes how the Antichrist gets the poison into them without it being obvious.

Thoughts?
Dirk

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Fourteen-year-old Connor sat cross-legged on the ground, watching the early evening sky turn orange with the setting sun.

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Thanks, njc. I need early evening to make it clear to the reader that there is still enough time left for the whole scene to play out (at least an hour before darkness). Needs tweaking. If the (whole) sky is already orange, there isn't enough time. And, yes, watching is better.

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Dirk

Not quite sure I need any commas in this sentence, but I thought I'd ask. Maybe before observing?

Fourteen-year-old Connor sat cross-legged on the ground observing the early evening sky turned orange by the setting sun.

I came across this article a few years ago and tried taking it to heart. I switched comma-then to "before" which, technically, solves the problem, but didn't sound natural. As for his reference to the Bronte sisters, he obviously hasn't read Wuthering Heights in a while. The language of literature has changed substantially since then and continues to evolve. Multiple excellent writers on this site have since convinced me that comma-then is just fine.

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Regrettably, this forum appears to be dead. The original post from Sole Rivets is four years old. One of the active forums is in the Medieval/Fantasy Magic group, which has attracted an eclectic group of writers, including sci-fi, fantasy, and mine, a supernatural thriller. Each member of the forum generally creates a brainstorming thread usually named "story name by author name". We use them ask questions of each other about our stories, and the group usually responds in a reasonable amount of time.

My current WIP is a Catholic-oriented supernatural thriller based on the Book of Revelation. Although I use numerous Catholic sources, there's nothing like having a knowledgeable Catholic to read it. I'd be happy to swap reviews.

About this Series: The End Times have come, and the Unholy Trinity — the Antichrist, the False Prophet, and Satan — is gathering for war. But the Bible has already foretold their doom: Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to conquer evil forever. In a desperate bid to avoid an eternity of torment in the Lake of Fire, Satan has issued one last challenge to God the Father that could upend the prophecies, destroy the Messiah and his Church, and give Satan everlasting dominion. But why would the Father agree to such a dare? What is so important that he would risk it all? Find out in this exciting series who ultimately becomes … Lord of the Earth.

About this Book: Fourteen-year-old Connor, an orphan in Rome, has special gifts. He comforts the grieving, heals the sick, and casts out demons from the possessed. As the Catholic Church struggles to understand his supernatural abilities, a police investigation into the deaths of several cardinals in the city uncovers a centuries-old conspiracy to topple the Church from within. Soon the Pope’s Council of Cardinal Advisers concludes they are being stalked by the Antichrist, and Connor becomes his main target. The Council must move swiftly to save Connor, who may be their long-awaited Christ returned as a boy, something that seems to defy Scripture. Thus begins a desperate struggle between good and evil that will decide the fate of humanity.

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Dirk

As long as you can work out the orbital mechanics, go for it!

j p lundstrom wrote:

A planet that "revolves" (moves in a circular trajectory) around two different suns in a "figure eight"? Forget about reality--you left that a long time ago. (As have all the other authors who postulate two suns per planet.) Just relax and enjoy the unique world you have created!

Actually, astronomers have already found binary star systems with planets. If I remember correctly, the planets tend to orbit both stars, like Tatooine in Star Wars. And let's face it, watching sunset with John William's music was awesome.

Scene 3.1 is back up.

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Dirk

Had to take 3.1 (the funeral) down. Turns out I wrote almost all of it in the form of telling. Duh. Should be back up later this week.

I have a new, small prologue up, and scene 3.1, the funeral of Romano's former lover. I've been looking forward to writing scene 3.2, where Campagna first meets De Rosa's godson. She's going to spiral as badly as Romano in 3.1. After that, Connor "observes" an exorcism. :-)

I have things like time of death for the corpse, which falls in a range of specific times. It's not just the Italians. I speak German and would need to convert their way of expressing time to American if writing in English. Think of it as UK time.

Kdot, I tried using international time as opposed to American in the story as you suggested, and it turns out, international time is mostly used for official purposes (e.g., airports, train stations, etc.). In Italy, spoken time is so complex it's not worth the effort to convert it to English. I had a mishmash of different ways of presenting it (one for narrative, another for spoken when am/pm is obvious, another when am/pm is not known, etc.). I finally settled on hours:minutes a.m. and hours:minutes p.m. I can die happily now.

If the planet is moving around the large sun and the small sun is close enough to "seize" the planet into its orbit, I would think there's no way to get it back out of the small sun's orbit. NJC would definitely know better than I would, though.

There was a bit of a site hiccup earlier this evening as I was cleaning up my prologue (it showed chapter one instead). That problem is now gone. The "latest" chapter showing on the home page should be the prologue. I wanted to open the story with a bit of a thrill.

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I haven't started reading yet, but one thought that springs to mind is to create a list of all chapters and a list of information "items" in chapters 2 through 4 that you want to move elsewhere. Map the items against the chapters (where would/could you move the items without breaking the story). That's your to do list.

I'm oversimplifying, but you get the idea. You may also decide if some items of information can be eliminated entirely. Cut, cut, cut.

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Now that you've published a couple of chapters, post a note in Premium introducing yourself, describing your story, the problem you're trying to fix, and asking for reviewers. You should get a pretty good response. I'll review them as soon as the sun comes up.

Cool book cover, by the way.

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I do it inline when appropriate, otherwise I do it in the summary. Had I cared about the half point, I would have switched to a regular review. I found a bug, I reported it. I would appreciate it if people would stop hijacking this thread to teach me how to do reviews.

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I frequently submit inline reviews shy of five. They always save. This is the first time I can recall that I left no comments and submitted just the summary. It gave no error message but didn't save. That's the bug.

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Sol, I just discovered that it is not possible to save an inline review unless there is at least one inline comment (at least I think that's the problem). I read a very short chapter (0.5 points) and found nothing to nit, so I just left a summary comment and clicked submit (I didn't care about the half point). The review wasn't saved. I had to switch to a regular review to save my summary comment. I won't complain about the half point I gained, but the system didn't warn me that the inline review hadn't been saved.

Dirk