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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

After playing with the new versioning system, I found it works best if you're posting changes to the same chapter as before, and want reviews of the new version, while keeping reviews of the previous version of the same chapter in the system for your own reference. So you repost the same chapter with a newer version number and hide the old. If you keep both versions visible, you could ask for reviews of both to tell you if your new chapter is really much better than the old.

If, on the other hand, your chapter numbers begin to change (e.g., you add or delete chapters in the new version), the TNBW versioning doesn't really address that as well. If your reader can't read all of the new v2 chapters and then drop down to v1 and pick up the story from there (e.g., from v2 of ch. 2 down to v1 of ch. 3, they would become confused).

In my case, v3 of my book will soon be substantially different than v2 since I'll be adding/deleting chapters in v3 as I get further along. It will be increasingly difficult to read the first few chapters of v3 and then pick up the story in v2 without continuity problems. My v2 is meant to be read sequentially from ch. 1 onward, and my v3 is also meant to be read sequentially from ch. 1 onward, but you're not meant to read the early part of v3 and then continue with the rest of v2. For this reason, I created two separate books, Into the Mind of God v2 and Into the Mind of God v3.

To further minimize confusion between my v2 and v3, I explicitly set all of the chapters in my v2 to TNBW v2, and all of the chapters in my v3 to TNBW v3. This is because, by default, TNBW labels all of my chapters as v1 unless I choose otherwise. I don't want a reader to be in v2 or v3 of my book seeing TNBW v1 on every chapter they read.

I hope that makes sense. Hopefully, Sol can add to this if I've made some incorrect assumptions.

Regards,
Dirk

4,202

(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hi NJC,

I was curious about your chapter issues, so I looked at what you have. I noticed your renumbered chapters are missing 5-7, and you have two chapter 3s, one of which is numbered v1 with a manually added "(v2.2)" in parentheses. The other chapter 3 is numbered v2.

Did you intend for two chapter 3s? If not, which is correct: v2 or "(v2.2)"?

Regards,
Dirk

4,203

(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol, thanks for automatically expanding Chapter Notes and making them available on the inline review page. Both very helpful.

Regards,
Dirk

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(6 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)

This thread is in response to Sol's posted chapters in this group about writing a novel. I thought I would add my two cents here in case anyone wants to have a discussion about the writing process. Hopefully, members of this group can improve on my process.

Aside from the outlining suggestions made by Sol, following are some of the other steps I use to write. All of the following are "living" documents that I do my best to keep up to date. Some are based on what I've learned from writing guides, others based on trial and error, and the rest from other writers here on the site.

For the outline, I try to include an estimated page count for each scene/chapter. That gives me a rough idea as to whether or not I can add more to the story or should strip some out. I'm not fixated on the page count, but I find it a useful addition to the process to compare my manuscript's length to other stories in the same genre. You can also get a rough estimate of word count based on page count. I write about 250-300 words per double-spaced page using Times New Roman 12-point font, which I'm told is the standard way to format your manuscript.

I keep my outline up to date, throwing in more scene- or chapter-specific ideas as they pop into my head while I'm writing, or removing ones that are no long relevant.

I also maintain a "names" bible, usually referred to as a character bible. For anything as long as a novel, it's almost a must to keep track of names of characters, what they look like, their backgrounds, what motivates them, etc. In my case, I prefer a spreadsheet, so I can easily scan the information (e.g., all eye colors to make sure certain children look like their parents, or to avoid having too many characters that are too similar).

In the same spreadsheet, I also maintain other named objects in the universe I'm building (e.g., ship names, ship types, ship tech, weapon types, military titles/ranks, stars, planets, cities, societies, etc.). Anything that can be named/described I keep together in the same spreadsheet as the character bible. It even includes expressions (e.g., military mantras) used by my characters, such as "For the Realm!" or forms of address such as My Lord, Your Highness, Your Majesty, etc. Anything I might want to reuse elsewhere in the story. Personally, I can't keep that much information in my head, so I put it all in a spreadsheet. I'll probably end up with 400-500 named entities by the time I'm done, each with multiple characteristics. Some of it I may never use, but I have it if I want it, and it helps me create more three dimensional characters and places.

I keep a big Notes file of every idea/change I might want to include in the book but am too busy to do at any given moment (e.g., I'm writing one chapter, but think of something I should do to others to keep things consistent). I peruse the Notes file regularly and keep it up to date. I divide the Notes file into several sections, especially ideas that are still percolating and ideas I've rejected or completed. I don't want to lose the latter in case I want to revisit them later for reuse or new/changed ideas.

I also took a crack at writing a short one to two sentence theme for my book: Those who struggle at the intersection of religion, mental illness, and homosexuality have the greatest capacity for empathy and are willing to endure the greatest hardship for the benefit of mankind. Too over-the-top? Try the short version: You're too pious, you're crazy, and you're gay, so lighten up! :-) I also wrote out who the primary target audience is for the book (e.g., sci-fi fans, late teens and up, with an interest in adult-oriented themes, primarily for North America, Europe, and other Westernized cultures). I don't, for example, think the book is appropriate for YA given the violence, cursing, and crude humor, nor would it go over well in non-democratic societies (I pick on China, North Korea, Russia, and Apple Inc., among others), nor in the Arab-speaking Islamic world. It helps publishers figure out if a book fits their typical market. The theme and target audience also help me keep the story on track, although I'm perfectly willing to change either if that's where the story takes me.

Not too long ago, I wrote a one-page, single-spaced synopsis of the book, including a complete summary of the book and how it ends. This too is used by publishers and for writing contests and is another great exercise in helping craft the story. Obviously, in a single page, you only highlight key characters and the most important plot points. Writing it forced me to really figure out my ending for the first time.

I use MS Word change-tracking when exchanging documents with my editor. She marks it up, and I can decide what to keep or reject. We both use the MS Word commenting feature (the little balloons tied to a piece of text, accessible via the Reviews tab on newer versions of Word). As the name implies, the comments can be about anything related to a chapter, scene, paragraph, word choices, grammar, etc. that are not words that actually belong in the story itself. It's equivalent to inline comments on TNBW, except you can see them all on the page at once as balloons off to the right of the story text.

I also use the comments to help me manage TNBW reviews. When I'm processing a review, I make the small edits (e.g., typos, grammar, etc.) in the manuscript, and I add MS Word comments for any major feedback that will require more effort, such as a chapter rewrite or changes to overall plot/character arcs, or simply things I need to think about. If it's feedback about something that spans multiple chapters or the whole story, I usually place an entry in my Notes file instead of in a Word comment.

Since TNBW inline feedback cannot currently be displayed without clicking on each individual item of feedback, I try to incorporate all inline changes right away so that I don't need to come back into the review and click through all of them again later. I maintain a Word comment at the top of each chapter of my manuscript that lists all of the reviews I've completed processing so that I don't accidentally reread the same reviews over and over later, looking for which reviews I still need to work through.

One important note about Word comments: I can't figure out a way to copy the manuscript chapters from Word into TNBW without also bringing over the Word comments. I then have to manually strip them out each time I post, which limits the number of comments I'm willing to attach to any given chapter. On the other hand, if one of my chapters is in such rough shape that it's still full of comments, then it's probably too soon to post.

I keep lots of backups of everything. Every Word/Excel document is backed up regularly, both on my computer and on two backup drives, especially before I make significant changes to chapters, such as incorporating all TNBW feedback. I sometimes need to go back and fetch something I wrote and then discarded, wanting to add it back in after all. My backup of last resort is the material I published on the TNBW. Now that we have version control, I can even go back to earlier versions of chapters. So far, I haven't had to use TNBW to recover something, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it (e.g., if North Korea infects all of my hardware).

That's all I can think of for now. I'm sure others have a better/more mature process and will hopefully add their feedback.

Regards,
Dirk

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(5 replies, posted in Science Fiction, Steampunk, and Space Opera)

I have areas like that too (conference briefings, team exercises, etc.). They're my slowest chapters, especially since they run back-to-back. I've been trying to improve them. I added background rioting (nothing actually shown) in my fictional galaxy as a way to punch up the urgency of the peace conference and what they were supposed to accomplish (people sick of a galactic cold war that leaves them in constant poverty, so they riot). Other things I did were a drunken fight between the two opposing main characters, one of whom may be recalled because his behavior was all recorded. Another way to consider it is if the chapters are actually needed to tell the overall story. I try to use humor as a break as well, although I do it within the context of character building that is needed to set the stage for something bigger later, or sometimes just to develop realistic human beings.

Dirk

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(5 replies, posted in Science Fiction, Steampunk, and Space Opera)

Most writing books agree with Kenny about the tension. Things are supposed to remain dire for our heroes. Although I look for that in other people's writing and try to do it in mine, both Kenny and Don produce really nice chapters that just happen to end on an upbeat note. I just read Kenny's chapter 18 of The Self-Destruction of Mrs Blue, which ends with the heroine smiling with satisfaction, planning to kick butt. An easing of the tension, but a nice hurrah moment for the reader. It's a perfectly good hook to keep me going.

Dirk

4,207

(3 replies, posted in Science Fiction, Steampunk, and Space Opera)

Kenny, you're probably already aware at this point that we're now allowed ten groups.

Cheers.
Dirk

4,208

(3 replies, posted in Science Fiction, Steampunk, and Space Opera)

Seabrass also created a separate group for Dewdrops, which has only 1 or 2 other members. I asked him why he didn't use the Additional Feedback group here like we did in the old forum. Haven't heard back yet.

Matthew, as Kenny said, feel free to post here. Your posts will probably be seen by more sci-fi eyes here than you'll get from any other group. If you want a broader audience, try Additional Feedback. I'm in both, although email notifications aren't fully working yet, I believe, so it may take people a while to find you and respond.

Happy Xmas.
Dirk

Captain Janeway. I modelled my Admiral Alexis Windsor on her. Shameless plug: see Into the Mind of God v3. :-)

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(3 replies, posted in Dew Drops Readers)

Seabrass, is there a reason you didn't just start a Dew Drops thread in the Additional Writing Feedback group? That way readers don't have to join groups for individual works. If Sol is right and there will eventually be *many* more groups, it's not clear how anyone will find these work-specific groups like yours.

I'll hang around your group until you decide what you're going to do. Hopefully, you'll stick with us. Your feedback is among the best I get. Hopefully ours is of some use. I'm facing a daunting amount of planning for the second half of my book, so I'll probably read more than I write for the next week or two. 368 points and counting. Woohoo! :-)

Dirk

P.S. Having just rewatched Pride & Prejudice with Keira Knightley, I am reminded how awesome a leisurely story can be. Ignore all my inane prattle about tension and hooks. That movie got me to read all of Jane Austen's books. I am enjoying your story, btw.

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(3 replies, posted in Old forums)

Janet, did I leave feedback for Broken? I think I did.

4,212

(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Since there are probably users who prefer both major review tab layouts (the list layout of the regular reviews tab vs the detailed layout of the inline reviews tab), there should probably be an option to choose between them. Preferably a checkbox that remembers the last setting. I would probably use the list layout most, but I'm sure there are some who would use the other, or both.

Thanks.
Dirk

4,213

(1 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)

Hi John. Where did you get the suggestion to post a synopsis here? That's a possibility. Your options are listed below.

The purpose of this group is as you expected. It was intended to replace the Writing Tips & Advice forum in the old site. However, the groups here are in a bit of flux right now, since everything is new. I read in Premium that Sol is going to resurrect old-style forums on this new site. That's probably no easy undertaking, so it could take some time. Linda Lee created a group here called Old Forums as a limited workaround if you want to try it. Read the feedback there that's she's received as to whether you think it will work for you.

I had thought about deleting this group when I saw what Linda Lee created, thinking it might be enough for now, but Sol asked me to keep this open. He wants to post relevant material going forward. While there are only ten members of this group right now, everyone can read what's here, so more may join if they see any activity that they want to be a part of.

Feel free to post your writing questions here, and someone is bound to answer, regardless of whether they know what they're talking about. :-)  The old site's Writing Tips & Advice was invaluable to me when I first started writing, which is why I created a group for it here.

As for posting a synopsis, I would ask that question in the Premium group and see what the concensus is. If it's a synopsis about a sci-fi story, there's a group for sci-fi. Ditto for horror, fantasy, etc. You're also welcome to post it here. It would give us something to do. :-) Wherever you put it, if you're not getting enough feedback, drop a note in Premium asking for more input.

Which brings me to your last option. You can post it as a book/chapter in your own porfolio and see what feedback you get that way. Remember to set the genre correctly. As above, if you need more feedback, drop a note in Premium.

Hope that helps.
Dirk

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(1 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Okay, I found it, but it was confusing. Whatever keystroke I hit took me to the inline review page for the same chapter, but with all of my edits gone. Once I went from this forum back into the chapter to start over, it said there was a draft inline review, which has all of my edits. That in-between screen should be eliminated.

Thanks.
Dirk

4,215

(1 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol, I was typing in the dialogue box of one of my inline items and must have hit a stray keystroke (ctrl+something or alt+something, etc.) and the entire review disappeared without saving. I had a ton of inline items in that review, so it's rather frustrating.

Dirk

4,216

(7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol or anyone, can you please tell us the purpose of the book shelf and how best to use it.

Thanks.
Dirk

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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

After rlvs posted his farewell, I thought I would add a few items to the wishlist that might simplify the site a little.

I only just realized that there is now a small home button at the top of the screen. If space permits, I really think that should be a full-sized button that says "Home" on it. It should be to the left of Post Your Writing, since the home page is probably the most important page on the site. You can shrink the Post Your Writing button to read Post Writing, or change it into a small button with just the pencil icon on it. The latter (my preference) would leave room for other icons/buttons going forward.

Another suggestion is that the four tabs for reviews be made identical in layout. Right now, regular reviews posted and received have almost the same layout, except a couple of the columns are in a different order. Also, there is a major difference in layout between regular vs. inline reviews. I think they should be made identical across all four tabs.

Last, when we look at posted chapters, can we get the Content Summary and the Chapter Notes automatically expanded at the top of the page? I think expanding the chapter notes is especially important because my reviewers are getting confused as I make small changes to characters and other content from one chapter to the next. They're not clicking on the button to read the content summary or the chapter notes. Regardless of whether you decide to expand the content summary and/or chapter notes, the same information should be available when someone goes to leave a review. I often click directly on the Leave Inline Review button, then have to go back so I can read the content summary and/or chapter notes, since they're not available on the inline review page.

That's it for now. Thanks for the continued hard work.
Dirk

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(217 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Minor bug. If someone leaves an inline review without a closing comment, my reply is not visible on the Inline Received tab under My Reviews. All other inline reviews on this tab show the first part the reviewer's closing comment and the first part of my reply. When there is no closing comment from the reviewer, my reply doesn't show either. The reply is just one click + some scrolling away, so this isn't urgent.

Dirk

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(6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

I found a better workaround while this request percolates up the queue. I put two comments at the top of my chapters in Word listing those reviews I'm completedly finished with, and those I need to refer back to at a later date (usually for changes I can't incorporate easily in my current draft). This approach works regardless of whether someone has left an inline review or regular review.

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(4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Nice! Thank you.

That'll work until email notifications are available. I can also tweak a few people with private messages now and then to let them know I have something new up.

Any ETA on the email notifications?

Thank you for all the hard work.
Dirk

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(6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol, one enhancement that I think would be very helpful for everyone is the ability to flag which reviews we've worked through and have incorporated into our manuscripts. I envision a checkbox that then allows the author to see at a glance on the review tabs which received reviews we've processed. I don't want to delete them entirely, since I or others may want to refer to them again later.

It can take me days, even weeks, to incorporate all of the received feedback from everyone into my manuscript. I don't want to keep the reviewers waiting, thinking I've ignored their feedback, so I reply right away, but then need some way to distinguish which reviews I'm done with.

Right now, for inline reviews, I've started going back to my replies and adding a note to myself at the bottom of each when I'm actually done processing the review. Since I don't always process reviews in the order they were received (e.g., I usually process all reviews by chapter, not date received), I often find myself having to open old reviews and scroll down to look for the note I left. That's very inefficient, especially if I haven't looked at a review in a while. I'll end up going in more than once to look for the same note.

Also, I don't have a workaround for regular reviews. Once I've replied, there is no way that I know of to update the reply with an extra note.

Thanks.
Dirk

Sol, can you tell us how notifications work when new material goes up? Ideally, my connections would be informed regardless of whether I'm posting a new chapter within an existing book, or the first chapter of a new book. One of my reviewers didn't see/get anything when I put up a new book.

Is that doable at present?

Thanks.
Dirk

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(217 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hi Sol. When you come up for air, can you please make it so that inline reviews place the cursor inside the pop-up note dialogue box. The constant extra click is annoying. As often as not, I forget to click on the box and just start typing, which Google Chrome interprets as shortcut keys to heaven knows what.

Thanks.
Dirk

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(2 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol, I was wondering how points are calculated in reviews. Some people are under the impression that they need to do both an inline review and a regular review in order to receive maximum credit for a given chapter, so I get both inline and regular reviews for the same piece of work from a single reviewer. From looking at inline reviews as I add inline comments, it seems like I just need to do inline 5 comments to get full points. Can you please clarify.

Thanks.
Dirk