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Ethan Cohen said that if a movie like 'Fargo' can succeed, then nothing makes sense.
so you might as well make the movie you want and just hope for the best

Edit: I lied. I make tons of charts - those should count as notes. And when I'm done, I map my plot to make sure my highs & lows balance. And I make character sheets for the mains

The notes for [J e n n a]'s story were basically 15 rows in a spreadsheet... possibly 200 words. Yet, like Amy, I had dozens of scenes mapped out in my head. One scene (her wedding) never made it in. This makes me sad because because a lot of people find creative ways to get into her cross hairs during the ceremony

I don't think I'll use the Mormons, though. Not prominent enough. And Protestants are too diverse (although that would make it easy to create a denomination that veers off course over two thousand years). Since Joseph is (currently) crown prince of his home world and is descended from Queen Elizabeth, I think I prefer the Church of England. I just need to be careful not to piss off the British by modifying their religion before Joseph turns it upside down.

Well, you're doing well if you never say which religion it grew out of. As long as you know and the reader doesn't, it'll show in your writing and there'll be no one who feels singled out.

Due to the vast amount of time between now & then, you can just make up gods for Joseph.

Example:
Perhaps the Mormons flew off and were isolated from the galaxy for 200 years. They showed back up as a cult named "The Greater Mormon Church of the Revered" and started doing door-to-door religion selling.  Peopl kept calling them Mormons but they kept saying they were Greater blah blah blah. People love to shorten things, so by 500 years ago, people just called them "The Greats" or "The Greater Church"

The Greats teach there was a second ark (this guy can bear the brunt of the Moses jokes). They teach in a garden of Eden they found on their homeworld (here go the Eden jokes). They believe in 4 gods, including one called "Baba Yaga" whose "Book of Life" has chapters and verses very similar to our own and are held sacrosanct by a population grasping for meaning after a deadly virus almost wiped them out.

--End example--

If you write such a thing carefully enough and have enough religious characters to carry the reverence, then you can make it work without touching Christianity.

(Note: This advice is coming from a guy whose characters worship the stars.And I still squeezed in a concept of ghosts, ghouls, and vampires. My world left religion behind, but I'm careful to throw in the occasional old altar that people hope is good luck. When I wrote the Pearly Gates scene and the Angel of Death (Victorious Chapter 13) I carefully stepped around the word God or Heaven or Astral Travel by renaming them. I could be irreverent with Sara-Kael by getting him beaten up. No reviews came in "I really don't think you can treat an arch angel this way" or "It's unholy to climb the pearly gates")

They key element is to remember to have 80% of the cast respect it (even if they don't actively practice). This is one of the few areas that Babylon 5 dropped the ball. The Vorlons should have been much more respected once the big reveal came of what they were. When the second Kosh showed up, how come there weren't crowds of people waiting to bow? I think ir was one guy. Anyway, you need the people to get offended if Joseph says "By Baba Yaga's beard!"

Other side of the lagoon was the tng equivalent of the deflector dish. Also they were playing Voyageur w/ 7 of 9 (Read Four-oh-three) and I recall I never watched the final seasons, so I guess I better get on this before paramount goes under

I remember that episode, unfortunately

Of course it's confusing - you haven't found you true voice yet.

Recommend: Read the published writers you love and emulate for your first draft. Draw what you can from this site, but don't attempt to do it all.

Second-pass come back and watch yourself emulating. Ask yourself what you were really trying to say. Filter it through the eyes of your reviewers. But come back with the wisdom of the completed story and make it yours. In doing so, you will find your voice.

-K

Here's some fuel on the fire...

I'm arguing with an editor who says I can't say:

They had newspaper for seating

The editor said it would have to be "newspapers". Me, foolishly thinking that newspaper could be a count noun or a non-count noun looked it up. Most people agree with me. But here

https://www.italki.com/question/273932

you can see answer two, perhaps "They had newsprint for seating" would actually be more correct.

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shorts works

Norm d'Plume wrote:

In answer to your question from the review, I'm still planning on editing the last 12 chapters of Into the Mind of God, so I can leave it in decent shape for when or if I come back to it into the future. Depends on how long the new trilogy takes.

Interesting. time to bump them higher up on the dance card

Speaking of... where's the next chapter?

Excel might be the better choice. Sort 655535 rows by any number of columns.

My last comment got me googling his boss. I got an obituary. The editing house had a rule you weren't allowed to the name of the person working on your manuscript. So this person stayed faceless for a good 18 months of communication (Email wasn't a thing back then - we killed a lot of trees).  I will likely never find him, but I've added the search to my list of life quests (Including being allowed into Las Vegas), so you never know

Norm d'Plume wrote:

Amy, how much was the editor? I've seen estimates that run into the thousands, although that's for a very detailed edit.

Ya know... a good editor is worth his weight in gold. But they're so hard to find. It's a kind of relationship - it's a person you're 'dating' because you'll need to trust them with something close to your heart (btw I'm referring to a good substantive editor). In the original VQ, I had one and he was like there's no way this can be one book, and I hated him, and he was right. He billed me 3k and I was so mad but I'd get him again if I could find him.

Poor Jaylene

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

From here, on the outside, we're all wandering around in a daze

I sleep 1- 2 hrs a night. I'll drop off long before you.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/44ee485b8e4cb932b834732fb637c6a0/tumblr_p4200tSWlk1rrqi2zo1_500.png

Hey Sol...

You need the ability to move threads so you can transplant contentious debates rather than having to end them.

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o dear

Norm d'Plume wrote:

I swear they're going to dig up my grave looking for gold in my teeth. Maybe I should just put them in my will.

Sure fire way to have to fill out post-mortem paperwork in the afterlife

It was a liquid nitrogen river in which one of the villains met a "chilling" demise

William, thank you.

Norm: You should see my prologue. It has K's influence all over it.
njc: (runs screaming from the Prologue)
K: follows the pleasant sound of a screaming reader throwing a book at a wall. Smiles.

Which reason did you mean, that my writing seemed suitable for that age group? I've been told recently that my adult stuff is better

It sounds like you're trying to squeeze the story into a certain demographic rather than just tell the tale. There may be some merit in doing just that, but when you say it that way, I wonder a little.

Warning: K's stories resemble Mickey Spillane's =I the Jury=.  Everyone gets killed off.

Not so! I've guaranteed that Firestarter will survive to the end. And by survive, I mean be "animate" but not necessarily having a pulse or sanity. Plenty of people wake up with neither of these until their morning coffee, so it still counts as alive