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301 2016-10-10 19:31:39
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
302 2016-10-10 16:10:29
Re: WIP CJ's Curse of the Raven considering word count. (7 replies, posted in Close friends)
To get set the record straight, I have already completed first, second and third drafts on the first novel: Into the Fog, Dawn of the Tiger; Into the Fog, Raven's curse; and Final conflict. I've already completed first and second drafts of the prequel (either to be named "Consecrated Ground" or "the Puppeteer). The entire saga has been laid out. And I write stream of conscious- I'm too unorganized for the outline method- though, I do use a timeline. It's necessary when a story stretches over several generations and sometime alcohol is involved- that's when I find a lot of creative spelling. The two first novels initially were just one "Into the Fog" that I had to split apart because of word count. So, word count- the first one is 197,799 words. Raven's curse is now 219,224. So, yes, I need to reduce word count. When I said I already cut some action scenes, it was just most of the running around Maggy did when Joe was missing-and other scenes that didn't further the story along. I think cutting "tags" will help to reduce word count without messing up the storyline.
Don't get me wrong, I like the action scenes too. Build up, then follow through, like a spring letting loose. My novels are very complicated. I have several plot threads stretching through them. Especially difficult was cutting these books apart. There was closure that had to happen at the end of the first one. For this one, I'm told to go back and re-explane who all the characters are, without bogging down the action or info dumping.
I was considering chopping the truck stop scene, though some other reviewers thought it helped to characterize Chief. Though, as we go on, that his character continues to develop.
As far as chapter size- I'm not necessarily uploading "chapters" to the website. More like chunks. I have yet to decide how to break them up. Currently I have the first novel all printed out and am rearranging things on the floor to see what flows the best and still keeps the reader reading.
I'm purposely leaving Huey's POV out of it. For the most part, where you are in the story is about as far as Huey goes. He'll come back in the third, though, transformed. Literally. But that's another story. In this book he is a minor character and the reader shouldn't give him more thought than the tiger does.
I'm hoping by hearing my reviewers I'll be better able to determine what is working and what is not, and which scenes are weak and can be sliced.
Thanks, both of you for your sharp attention!
303 2016-10-05 13:35:06
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Finished with Jube's Chapter 12 and Chapter 13.
304 2016-09-28 15:04:47
Re: General Comments Section (281 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Yes, I'm already back to write more, but on a different topic.
I'm not your editor, or publisher, or Neighborhood Watch guy, so if I'm sticking my nose into your business too far here bear in mind it's with good intentions. Have all of you considered the timing of your revisions? What I mean is if you plan to wait until your novel is completed before going back and using your reviews to implement your chapter revisions then I see a problem with that.
Members are going to redundantly point out the same nits, and your revised chapter won't get reviewed to your benefit because the reviewer is stuck on repeating your old chapter the others have already covered. Now you can always ask us to go back and review your revised chapter, but trust me on this - it's much easier on both parties if you get your revision out sooner than later. But why would I need reviews on my revised chapter since it's essentially a corrected version? For the same reason we need reviews in the first place. It's always going to look perfect to you until another set of eyes starts pointing out it's not or it could be made better by doing this or that.
The way I work is to combine everyone's reviews into one and make the changes at once- I don't plan on reposting- once I get to the end, I'll send it to a proofreader and be done with it. I've found a new way to review- and if everyone changes their chapter as soon as a nit is pointed out, my way may not be as effective. I've been pulling chapters into Pages (the program finds misspellings I'd normally miss) but this allows me to search previous chapters for consistency- something I couldn't do during inline without having to open every individual chapter. It also helps me keep track of the plot arch. Once I get to the end of the novel I'll delete the file. But its been a great help with all of Cobber's chapters, I could review on my iPad and not have to sit at the computer for hours. As for redundant nits, I find that helpful- if all the reviewers point out the same nit, then maybe its something that should be changed. But sometimes I'll get competing opinions. One reviewer will think a certain passage is exceptional, whereas another feels it doesn't work.
I guess we should all find a way things work best for us.
305 2016-09-27 17:10:16
Re: Ack! Took a week off to get my Fall Schedule organized (7 replies, posted in Close friends)
I must apologize as well. A writer I review for another group was getting closer to publication and needed reviews on his later chapters. Anyone that knows me, knows I can't jump to the end and give a meaningful review, so I've read and reviewed from Ch14-63 in the last two weeks. Doesn't help this group, I know, but thought that process I discovered a better way to review. So I'll be catching up soon.
I owe Sheriff Norm a big batch as well as the rest of you.
Hope to do a lot of reviews this week and weekend. If the deadlines at work don't clean my clock!
CJ
306 2016-09-27 17:09:15
Re: Ack! Took a week off to get my Fall Schedule organized (7 replies, posted in Close friends)
I must apologize as well. A writer I review for another group was getting closer to publication and needed reviews on his later chapters. Anyone that knows me, knows I can't jump to the end and give a meaningful review, so I've read and reviewed from Ch14-63 in the last two weeks. Doesn't help this group, I know, but thought that process I discovered a better way to review. So I'll be catching up soon.
I owe Sheriff Norm a big batch as well as the rest of you.
Hope to do a lot of reviews this week and weekend. If the deadlines at work don't clean my clock!
CJ
307 2016-09-26 12:10:36
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Posted chapters yesterday for Cobber's Vengeance: 49-62
308 2016-09-24 22:36:07
Re: Back after a long absence (18 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
Hi Jeanne, welcome back, I have not read you, but will visit your novel.
And C. E., I'm glad to see you back, I've been wondering what happened to you! You get one published and fall off the face of the Earth! Looking forward to your new stuff too.
309 2016-09-19 16:57:35
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed 46, 47, 48 of Cobber's State of Vengeance.
310 2016-09-17 21:05:32
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed compound review of chapters 14-40. Inline review of 41-45; of Cobber's "State of Vengeance"
311 2016-09-16 14:11:44
Re: Sorcerer's Progress notes (7 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Hey NJC, you've been more than pulling your weight on my book.
After I finish with Cobber's I'll be back on track.
I'm close to finishing Sorcerer's Progress Book 1- what would you like me to move to after that?
312 2016-09-13 16:22:42
Re: State of Vengeance Request (13 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Cobber,
I tried to do a review for Ch 41 and was completely lost.
I've printed out all the chapters between 41 and where I left off and plan to read through them so I at least know what I'm talking about. I'll leave you one review (here) for the plot arch- I won't have time to do the line edits etc.
How long will you leave the rest of the chapters up?
313 2016-09-13 13:22:06
Re: State of Vengeance Request (13 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
I'll jump ahead, too, and see what I can do.
314 2016-09-09 11:19:09
Re: General Comments Section (281 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
That's great, Jube, NJC is welcome here. He's always been insightful and exceedingly helpful when reviewing my work.
315 2016-09-07 12:08:22
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Sharknado.
316 2016-09-06 16:17:22
Re: Potential spammer (20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Me too.
317 2016-09-05 01:24:21
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Just finished Chpts 3 and 4 of Randy's Cartel's Revenge.
318 2016-09-02 22:01:14
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Finished Matt's
"The Girl Who Lost the Earth" chpts 11 and 12.
319 2016-08-31 15:14:19
Re: Regional writers (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Speaking of regional writers- the Decatur book festival is happening this weekend in Decatur, GA. I wonder if any of my fellow posters on this sight may be attending or even presenting? I would love to meet some of you in person.
320 2016-08-16 17:12:56
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
whoops!
321 2016-08-16 17:03:25
Re: Can one feel oneself turn beet red? (19 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
C J Driftwood wrote:Norm d'Plume wrote:One of my reviewers says the POV character can't "see" himself turn beet red (ignore mirrors), therefore it should be wriiten something like "blood rose into Joseph's cheeks." Personally, I know when I turn beet red (blush severely) and don't need a mirror to tell me so.
Thanks
I think as writers we're allowed to take some liberties. Can one feel himself turn "beet" red. Probably not necessarily the beet kind of red- but who cares?
When written this way, the reader knows exactly how the character feels. So much more poetic than "blood rose into Joseph's cheeks." Dull!
Unless you want to leach the fun prose out of your writing and have it sound like a manual on how to define the stock-market (or something equally boring) using beet red is fine! As long as you get the point across to the reader.Choosing between what is true and what is trite is boring.
The issue is on the sensibility of POV: "Oh my gosh, I must have turned beet red" is just silly, but the alternative is not: "I'm sure the capillaries in my face dilated." Both are omniscient author intrusion of his (rather that the character's) vision of the truth.
Do you mean "intrusion" or "interpretation"? Seems to me the only one who could speak to how Norm's character would talk, would be Norm. And if his character is of the mind to say- Dang, I'm so embarrassed, I must be beet red. Then that's the right POV for him. If I understand your statement, then it looks like we're in agreement.
322 2016-08-15 12:44:41
Re: Can one feel oneself turn beet red? (19 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
One of my reviewers says the POV character can't "see" himself turn beet red (ignore mirrors), therefore it should be wriiten something like "blood rose into Joseph's cheeks." Personally, I know when I turn beet red (blush severely) and don't need a mirror to tell me so.
Thanks
I think as writers we're allowed to take some liberties. Can one feel himself turn "beet" red. Probably not necessarily the beet kind of red- but who cares? When written this way, the reader knows exactly how the character feels. So much more poetic than "blood rose into Joseph's cheeks." Dull!
Unless you want to leach the fun prose out of your writing and have it sound like a manual on how to define the stock-market (or something equally boring) using beet red is fine! As long as you get the point across to the reader.
323 2016-08-12 23:03:46
Re: I need a cartoon name (8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Or, better yet, let her name the flower.
324 2016-08-12 23:02:26
Re: I need a cartoon name (8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I think you should just call it Spike
325 2016-08-11 21:46:23
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Finished chapters 12 and 13 of Cobber's State of Vengeance. They were short.