I have quite a few people blocked Dill and they have returned the favor without me knowing it. So I think you can still block them, because I did. If you still have trouble ask Sol to look into it. Edited to include: If they are accessing you through their reviews of you, then delete those reviews.
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Dill Carver wrote:
dagnee wrote:

You're all for facing the truth, so...I was a recipient of a review that tore into an innocently written fictionalized account of an actual event. Remember?)

Truthfully, I don't recall that. I wrote literally thousands of reviews back in the day upon the old site. I can actually remember three or four of them.

Since 2006 through to the end of the old site I remember dozens and dozens of members, but I don't recall you? I actually thought for a while that I did, but upon searching through my old archived documents, the member that I'd interacted with who I thought was you, turns out to be 'Deb'.  I don't know how I got mixed up upon that score. We obviously moved in different circles. Most of the members that I reviewed... I reviewed dozens of times, normally all or most of their work but I honestly don't recall ever reading (or reviewing) anything that you've written outside of the forum?

Where I do remember you, is from a forum spat after the site changed to the new format. You had an opinion expressing 'for' something in one thread and a contradictory opinion expressing 'against' the very same thing within another. It's a bit hazy now but it was fiery at the time. I might ask Vern if he recalls it, I'm sure he was around within the incident.

Since the new site I don't review much. Old colleagues originally from here, mostly off-line now or on another site. I review the tNBW competitions, mostly upon a reciprocation basis, unless I read an entry from somebody I don't know whose entry impresses me. 

If I've upset you in the past then apologies.

Again, to be honest, tNBW is a relatively small particle of my life. I'm embroiled in work and family, other writing projects and sites; photography clubs and workshops (my main passion) and military veteran and reunion groups and activities. Historical research projects. Study for trade accreditation exams. That and motorcycle stuff. If only you knew the extent of my heated discussions, spats, rows and disagreements across the scope of that lot; you'd understand why my tNBW memory is weak and inconsequential.  I am quite insensitive by nature and have always walked around with my foot in my mouth. Once bitten? You are very wise to steer clear of me and I have no memory of whatever passed between us, let alone lingering resentment or anything else to dwell upon. You are a name with nothing behind it and there is no reason to change that.

Cheers, Dill

Dill,
I accepted your apologies when it happened. So...no need to re-apologize. And you won't find that review because Sol removed it.
I remember that spat, and all I can say is I changed my mind and you made a big deal out it.
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Dill Carver wrote:

...the vulnerability is, (and I've seen this over and again upon this site since 2006), that some insecure fledgling writer who possesses a unique and special writing voice; who has obvious talent, potential in abundance simmering under a little lack of experience or technical knowledge... is whacked and viciously 'torn to shreds' by some officious, authoritative grammar nazi or a deluded fifty dollar creative writing course graduate, who trump out the spastic laws of writing and insist upon changing the writers vibrant and expressive voice into a bland, sterile, written-by-formula robot voice; crushing their confidence, spirit and enthusiasm for fun along the way.   

Poison, you think my attitude may be... but fuck you. Fuck all the the self acclaimed editors-in-chief. The officious death-eaters who suck the life and vitality out of new creative writers.

I came here in 2006, a very insecure and inexperienced writer.  Some sanctimonious knob-cheese gave me the full- monty,  "torn their work to shreds" degrading, humiliating experience. Made me look and feel a fool. Made me feel worthless and hopeless and were very proud and pleased to do so. After all, they considered it their job, their duty.

Some of the guys here were appalled. They rounded upon the 'tear to shreds' reviewer and took me under their wing. They encouraged me, showed me, explained to me... in short they taught me to write. Or taught me how to learn to write. They set me upon my journey.

If people here upon this site now, think that it is poisonous and destructive to oppose the celebrated premise that writers should specifically NOT be told they did a good job after their work has been systematically 'torn to shreds'...

...again, fuck you. Fuck this place and any sanctimonious, officious, authoritative new-writer snuffing nazi editors that infest this site for it is not the place it was... it is not the place it should be.

Dill,

You're all for facing the truth, so...I was a recipient of a review that tore into an innocently written fictionalized account of an actual event. Remember? It had nothing to do with my writing and I had to ask Sol to remove it because it was on the old site and we couldn't delete it. If he hadn't removed it, the review would have been attached to my work as long as I had it up. To your credit you later apologized but it was that review that taught me not to trust your reviewing skills.

I am sure I have left the same kind of review, where I let my personal feelings for the topic written about, or my personal feelings for the writer because of a review they left me, color what I wrote about their work. I've probably also left reviews just to show off a little knowledge, too.

Maybe the lesson here is to be objective and leave our feelings and personal agendas behind when we put on our reviewer's hat.

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Karen--
I don't often, okay, almost never agree with Dill, but in this instance he has a point. I think you need to be reminded of your original post:

Something I've noticed -- something I've been guilty of -- telling someone they've done a "Good job!", or patting them on the back with "Good work!", especially after you've torn their work to shreds, is patronizing. I for one won't be using either phrase again.

I've said this before in another thread, but I do not see the virtue in tearing people's work apart. Edited to add: We are not meant to be literary critics here, but reviewers.

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If what I'm reading is so bad I can't find anything positive to say, I don't review it.
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graymartin wrote:

Kdot's logic makes sense to me. What about a reviewer ranking though? Anyone object to that?

I don't object. I worked hard to get on the top ten list as did a lot of others. I think it would encourage people to review more, if earning points is not enough of an inducement to read and review.
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The main point of the site is read, review and publish. The more you read and review the more points you get to publish. I don't see this changing any time soon.
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Norm d'Plume wrote:

I yield to the lady with 2013 points. smile

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

The points system could use tweaking. I have no use for 900 points, but they keep accumulating because I read more than I'm reviewed. I do that on purpose because my reviewers are better at it than I am, so what my reviews lack in depth/quality, I try to make up for in quantity (e.g., I'm currently reading about four chapters from someone who reads one of mine). It's my way of trying to keep good reviewers.

The main tweak to the points system that I think would be fair would be to award points based on the number of comments left. Right now, you get all of the points for a posted chapter regardless of whether you leave five comments or fifty. The person who leaves fifty deserves more points, in my opinion.

Norm why should a reviewer be rewarded with more points because they chose to leave more than five comments? Everyone on here can choose how many comments to leave on in-line, and how many words to use in a regular review.
IMO it seems like Sol picked the easiest and the fairest way to award points. Leave five comments, write 50 words. If you choose to do more than that, it's not required and up to you. Also, it's up to the person who is being reviewed to let the reviewer know the value of that review, not a third party, such as the site.

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Alice Lily wrote:

Holy moly. I'm new here and I have 3 points. Take that, all of you! I want to post my entire novel and have you all shred it apart but there isn't much I can do right now. How the heck did you all rack up so many points? Just by reviews? This environment has been really good to me so far so I'm thinking of becoming a premium member. The point system is really smart to keep the site active but I wouldn't want someone to post a half-hearted review on my work just to rack up points and that's what I'm gonna watch out for as I start posting my own reviews of other works. We're all here to grow, after all, and the reviews I've gotten so far have been very insightful and honest, which I appreciate. Looking forward to getting to know some names around here!

Alice, I did it by reviewing whole novels. Some I reviewed twice. If you're really serious about posting your novel you're going to have to read and review. Find you a novel you like, there's lots of every genre on here, and you'll rack up a bunch of points before you know it.
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Ann Everett wrote:

I never pay attention to the point count. Until this post came up, I don't remember the last time I even glanced at it. I racked that number up the first year I was a member here while reading more than writing. I've gone down a lot in the number of novels I read. And, I've gotten in the habit of reading just a lot of first chapters. Without the pressure of remaining on the top ten reviewer list, I can relax and just read when I feel like it! If Sol ever decides to put that list back in place, I'll be burning the midnight oil again to stay on it!
Now days, I only read about 6-8 novels. But when I started here, I only had one book. Currently, I'm working on my 12th, so I don't have the time to read much anymore.

Ann---
First, thanks for reading my novel over and over and over again! You helped me sooooo much and continue to do so. Second, I was cruising to 4000 reviews when we moved here, then Sol dropped the reviewers list. I wonder if he knew some of us cared more about those numbers as we did our work review numbers. I wish he'd bring back that list...maybe he could just add it to our profiles instead of the home page.
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Gray I have 2013...I know Jack the Knife has more...:)

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I have found that if you have a solid beginning, middle and end before you start writing, you'll be able to move the story forward a lot easier. It's when you start out with one of those three missing you get in trouble.
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j p lundstrom wrote:
dagnee wrote:

I wrote and article and it never showed up on the home page, I had to re-publish it under short stories.
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Have the non-fiction categories been eliminated? I wanted to work on something, too.  JP

Evidently, JP, enlarging the fiction/poetry parts pushed non-fiction right off the page. I can afford to spend my credits on publishing twice, but there are others who can't afford to do that.

It would be nice if everyone had the chance to have their stuff on the home page.

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We could use a little more room on the home page I wrote and article and it never showed up on the home page, I had to re-publish it under short stories.
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njc wrote:

Trump has a virtue that may yet save him.  He learns from his mistakes.  I cannot see that in any of our currrent crop of politicians, for too few have had to pay for their mistakes.

Sorry to disagree with you, NJC, before you learn from your mistakes you must first admit you've made a mistake. I have never heard Trump admit he was wrong about anything. Having said that, give me examples buddy! smile

Mariana Reuter wrote:

I've just started reading Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier some days ago. It immediately called my attention that this book, which a best seller back in its times and even hit the big screen, starts with a no-no. It's starts with a dream! The first chapter is completely a dream!

It's easy to understand why you mustn't start with a dream. I found myself skipping paragraphs and looking for "action" as, being the narrative a dream, I knew it was not something really happening and thus it'll do no harm if I skipped it.

My observation is because it's interesting how a current no-no didn't seem to be so back in the 1930´s, and it didn't stop the story from turning into a bestseller and an Oscar-awarded movie in Hitchcock hands.

Have today's agents and publishers become too picky?

Kiss,

Gacela

Gacela...There are a lot of clues in that first chapter that set up the rest of the book. As the reader will find out, everything that happens in the book started and ended at the De Winter's huge estate. But why dream about it? Why not write, I went to Manderley? Because Manderley was burnt to the ground at the end of the novel. The main character can't go back. She can only dream of the first time she saw the mansion that was to become her home, and where all the conflict in the novel began and ended.

Why a dream then? I believe dreaming of her former home tells the reader she's remembering, and in a dream Manderley can be presented as mystical, overwhelming the character so much that years later it haunts her dreams.

That still doesn't answer why many authors choose dreams to begin their novels. I believe it is so the reader can form an instant connection with the character. We're all humans, most of us dream, and can relate to someone who dreams, whether it's a memory, or a nightmare.

Also, we don't know why we dream or where they come from. It's a common experience, dreams can influence our lives, rob us of sleep. But still, it's a relatable event in the character's life, and as writers are taught, to keep your reader interested you have to make the reader see something that they can grab on to and say to themselves, ‘That's happened to me.'

That being said, if you must start your novel with a dream, it should pertain to the rest of the novel and not a random thing.

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Movie trivia: The main character in the movie and the novel doesn't have a first name, she's always referred to as 'Mrs. D'Winter.' And in the movie you never see a picture of Rebecca.

Going to Amazon right now and buying: The Emotions Thesaurus...thanks Ann, Gacela!
PS...good news, you can get the ebook for 0.00!
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JP...Ann Everett does something in her writing that seems really natural to me, she lets her characters react to each other's looks. For example instead of describing a beautiful woman, she'll have the man who's interested in her drool over her eyes. lips, breasts...etc..that way you're not writing and the reader isn't reading a check list of facial features.

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You might see my posts disappear from your threads. I am trying to erase my online foot print as much as I can by deleting search engine content I find connected to the name dagnee. So...if my posts disappear from your forum threads, it's only because I found a link to them in Yahoo, Bing, or Google search engines. I am not ashamed of what I posted, most of it is pretty generic, and I am not angry at you.

This writing group is my safe place. I do not want people I've pissed off 6 or 7 years ago to link me in anyway to TNBW. This place is as sacred to me as any church.

So...if I suddenly disappear from your thread...it's because the thread is public and I found my name linked to it in a search engine.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

What do they say--there are nine basic story plots? And some say only seven. There are no new story ideas. We all just say what we want to say in our own words.

Imagine, if you will, the 1964 movie "The Last Man on Earth," based on Richard Matheson's 1954 novel, "I Am Legend" (do you see where I'm going with this?). Jump to 1971 and "The Omega Man," based on the same book. Fast forward to 2007 for "I Am Legend" the movie (based on you-know-what).
Same story, different times, different adaptations, and different writers. They did keep to the story, pretty much, and at least one movie used the same title, but it shows how one story idea can be used again and again.

And here you are with your own original story idea! Who cares if you were inspired by someone else's work? I wonder what inspired those guys! And don't we all take inspiration from those around us? Deny it all we like--there are no new story ideas. So just make peace with it.

Change the names or not, as you wish--it will still be a new creation. If you decide to credit The Grand Hotel as your inspiration, that just makes you a nicer person than all the rest of us. Grrr!

JP...I've always found you a nice person. You really gave me a lot to think about here and a lot of encouragement. I am slowly getting back to this site and hope to be a fully participating member soon. Thanks sooo much!
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B Douglas Slack wrote:

Dags:

I read everything that David Drake writes. In his RCN series books with Captain Leary. The foreword usually makes reference to wars that took place way in the past, such as the Peloponnesian Wars or the constant strife between Troy and all comers. His spacefaring books reflect these conflicts, only take place in the far future. He's changed all the names, but if you read into his novels you can see the give and take of the original war, only now it is between planets.

So, as Rachael says, you could eliminate everything but the basic plot - and only mention Grand Hotel as being the inspiration.

Bill

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Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:

You can delete all the characters.  You are in the same position as Phillip K. Dick.  He wrote a short story, the name of which escapes me, in which, after a nuclear war, the Martians drop care packages to help us rebuild.  Instead, we built dolls that allowed us to live pre-apocalyptic lives vicariously through the dolls. In The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldrich, the same theme is used, only by human colonists on Mars, and they use a drug that makes them actually experience the lives of the dolls as if it were real.  Different characters, different plot, same idea.

You should mention, in the foreward that you were inspired by The Grand Hotel, but that it is not to be taken as the same and that you signficantly deviate from it.  There have been other stories about a hotel in space, so you are not alone.  In a sequel to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, Willy Wonka travels, and takes the kids, to a Hilton Hotel orbiting the Earth.  In a magaine called "Creepy," outright space war is declared between the Hilton Hotel chain, run by a man who looks like FDR, and the Sheraton Hotel chain.  As far as I know, neither author credited The Grand Hotel.  Any doubt, though, and consult a copyright lawyer.  You don't want to be in George Harrison's position, when he was found guilty of unconsciously plagiarizing the Chiffon's "He's so Fine," in "My Sweet Lord."

You are equal to the task if you think you are. Edgar Rice Burroughs was inspired to write by thinking--"I can write as bad as all those popular authors." 

Good luck, and congratulations.  That's exciting.

Thank you Rachel for those suggestions, and examples. I had no idea an orbiting hotel had been done before! And thanks for the encouragement...I love that quote! If I can get this idea off the ground I'll make sure I consult a lawyer, you're right I don't want to end up like poor George Harrison.

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When I wrote the short story The E'clatant Is Missing for the science fiction locked door mystery contest I got an idea for expanding the idea of a hotel for the very wealthy orbiting the earth into a novel. I want to base it on the 1932 movie The Grand Hotel and this is the question I have: do I need to keep the original characters' names?

Also, my protagonist isn't in the movie, he replaces a resident of the hotel, a retired doctor in position to see everything that went on. There are other characters I really don't need, can I delete them?

Finally, should I even mention the novel is based on Grand Hotel since I will be deviating from the plot quiet a bit?

If there's anything I should know (like copyright infringement) that you all know I'd be happy to hear it.

I'm scared and excited about this novel. I'm scared because The E'clantant Is Missing is the first bit of science fiction I've ever written and I don't know if I am equal to the task, and excited because while it's still in the mystery/crime genre it's unlike anything I've ever thought about writing. Anything you can tell me will be appreciated. 

Thanks!

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

Scary, huh?  When I look at the delusional leader of this country, it scares me to think he is the one in control of my fate.  What sad times we live in.  It's not because I did or did not vote for him.  It's because I am way too smart to drink this fool's kool-aid, and I will not be led over the cliff with him and his kind.  He is an out-of-control lying maniac, and our country is in serious danger of extinction.   I am always more than willing to work with the one in office, regardless of what my vote said, but this one stretches my ability to do so.  He has wreaked more havoc in his 200 days in office than any other president in the history of our country did in his entire tenure.  The song 'Where Have All the Flowers Gone' by Peter, Paul, and Mary is an accurate depiction of the times we're living in today, which is a vicious circle of self-destruction:  in that song, all the flowers disappear because young girls picked them; all young girls disappear because they took husbands; all husbands became soldiers, then went to graveyards, and all the graveyards were then covered with the flowers picked by the young girls. The compelling question in that song is 'when will they ever learn?'  It applies today.

Marilyn,

I've joined the resistance. I will support any effort that resists normalizing this administration. We can not give up, we can not let someone like him undermine the fabric of this country. Also, I am encouraged by the Republicans in congress who have put forth bills that limit this man's power and the courts are making sure his 'executive orders' are constitutional. So, in that respect our government is working just the way the founding fathers intended.

There's also the Russian investigation which will, at the very least get the first daughter and son in law out of the Oval office and at the most get the whole family out including its head. And if that doesn't work there's the 25th amendment. Just hold on, it'll be a bumpy ride but I think we'll come out in alright in the end. There are more of us in the resistance than there are of them.

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