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jack the knife wrote:
dagny wrote:
Deckland Oz wrote:

So why is it okay for him to so obviously disobey the sacred rules and overuse said in such a blatant way? Well, because that's his style.

And he has a fan base.
My advice to writers: don't break rules unless you have a fan base that support you no matter what.
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Absolutely right. Clive Cussler has a huge fan base, and I'm among that number - but for the stories, not the writing. He breaks dialogue and POV rules all the time. But, to the point others in this thread have made, I didn't notice that in the beginning of my fanship. It was only later, after I learned the "rules," that his writing bothered me. But I still like his stories.

I like it when you agree with me!! Michael Connelly is another example of a bad writer with a huge fan base because his plots are so good. And I admit I will let Elizabeth George go on for a few pages describing the English countryside in nauseating detail because she, too, has great plots. Soooo...if you insist on breaking rules, make sure you have a plot that people will stick with.
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Deckland Oz wrote:

So why is it okay for him to so obviously disobey the sacred rules and overuse said in such a blatant way? Well, because that's his style.

And he has a fan base.
My advice to writers: don't break rules unless you have a fan base that support you no matter what.
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John Hamler wrote:

I think it best to pretend those particular syllables --"um" and "uh"-- don't even exist as readable copy. Better to qualify the dialogue with something like *he couldn't find the right words in the moment* than to tarnish the dialogue with ums and uhs. Having said that so imperiously, though... Let's face it, I probably do it too. smile

So...if you have a character who stutters or has tourette's you'll be writing, 'he couldn't pronounce his s's...' or 'random wordage spewed out of his mouth at inopportune moments...' throughout the manuscript? Giving your character realistic dialogue, because no one ever speaks correctly all the time, is not tarnishing the dialogue.

But really, isn't dialogue just a way of giving the reader information in a character's voice? And doesn't giving a character a verbal tick a way of distinguishing them from other characters?

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SolN wrote:

Hello all,

I'm pleased to announce the winners of the Winter 2018 Flash Fiction Contest. They are:

Grand prize:  Tragedy Level 9_Flash Fiction by Roxanne

Runner-ups:

Thumbs Up by Ann Everett

What's In A Name by Brian Asher

Congratulations!

Congratulations to Roxanne, my bff Ann and Brian!!!!

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Dirk B. wrote:

I'm a member of a blog written by an experienced book editor. His list of rules of how NOT to open a story includes:

Prologues suck.
Do not start with a character who is going to die.

I guess I'm not going to use him to edit my story. :-)

What not to do: https://thejohnfox.com/2016/11/how-to-start-a-novel/
What to do: https://thejohnfox.com/2017/03/30-super … h-writers/

Dirt,
Wise decision on your part. Prologues set up your story, provide information you readers can draw on as they read the book. In some cases it tells the reader information that the characters don't have, giving your reader a sense of superiority. As for starting with a character who's going to die, in that editors opinion, For Whom the Bell Tolls should never have been written. If I were you I'd find another blog, imo this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. 
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Norm,
I agree with JP.

Because of the explosion, I assume you're writing a syfy thriller. Thrillers need to thrill, right? Experiencing the unexpected is thrilling.

'Just then...' telegraphs that something is going to happen. Not so thrilling if you expect something to happen.

I read a lot of John Sandford. He's my favorite mystery/crime novelist. He has a talent for introducing violence into a scene that you do not see coming. For example, in one of his books there's a scene that starts out pretty tame, people sitting down in a living room having coffee and pastries.

One of the characters reaches for a pastry, her favorite kind btw, and before it gets to her mouth she's been shot between the eyes and dies. There's no reason for her being shot, she's not a main character or someone being stalked. She's there to interview victims, and was not the intended target. It also took me into the scene, I shared the surprise and horror of the other characters in the room.

And...perhaps this is the most important thing..I still remember that scene years after reading the novel.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

Right, dags. Thanks for pointing out the need for clarification. The suggestion was for one contest.

Would you rather write 1) A story with a western theme (set in the past or present, any genre); 2) A story with a historical setting (again, any genre); or 3) a thriller/mystery story?

Choose one, or if none of them interests you, suggest another theme.

If you wouldn't be interested in competing, it would be useful to know that, too.

Trying to narrow it down/ find the theme that generates the most interest.  JP

I could probably write all three but I would only enjoy writing thriller/mystery!

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j p lundstrom wrote:

I received positive feedback from Sol regarding a group-sponsored writing contest. He will provide the prize. Now all that remains is to select a theme. I've suggested a western (past or present), a historical story, and a mystery/thriller as possible themes, because those are the groups I belong to. Would you be interested in such a contest? The way I see it, any member of a related group would be eligible to enter. What do you think? Please give your reaction in the Prime Forum thread entitled "How about a group contest?"  JP

JP--
I think that an contest in each group would be a good idea but probably not possible. Of course, I would like to see a Mystery/thriller contest.
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andrew hixson wrote:

Tim Weaver, Simon Beckett and Anthony Horrowitz

I love Anthony Horrowitz! I just read The House of Silk and Moriarty.

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j p lundstrom wrote:
dagnee wrote:

I think you might say something in the blurb before the story the kind of feedback you want and what you don't want. That should stop people from wasting their time and yours.

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Thanks, dags---what a thoughtful, constructive suggestion. I feel like a dummy for not having considered it. What a simple solution to a situation that evoked such an emotional response in me! ow I never have to worry about it.

I guess it hurt because the story was published years ago, and I posted it because I succumbed to the author's curse of still wanting to polish it.

Thanks for being a thoughtful friend.  JP

You're welcome, JP. *fist bump*
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Dallas you wrote: A thoughtful friend is not one who spouts platitudes aimed at reinforcing bad behavior or glossing over it.  A thoughtful friend is one who tells you when you are being a jerk, then gives you a hug.

I rarely defend myself, but that description of my post was simply wrong.

I reminded JP it was her story and she was a strong writer, which she is, and has a clear vision of what her story should be, which she does.

I also saw no reason to label her a jerk just because I couldn't relate to her reaction. Why judge when you can make an effort to understand?

I gave her a solution to think about, as any friend would.

As for hugs, JP and I were raised with brothers, we don't do that.

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PS...you might examine why you feel the need to change people's behavior. That sounds a little controlling to me. The only thing you can control is your own behavior. (Now, THAT'S a platitude.)

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JP...I get told that my short stories would make a great book often. I never saw it as an insult, but as a compliment because I grabbed their attention, they got emotionally invested in the characters and they want more of the story.

The problem is, if you write a lot of short stories you know you can't turn every one of them into a novel. And not every one should be a novel. As for people telling you how to write your story, if you don't absolutely love what you're writing, people can tell and will try to take over your work. One reviewer will tell you to lose a character and when you do that, you get a reviewer asking you, 'Why did you get rid of that character...' It's writing by committee, and it never works out well.

I know you JP. You're a strong writer with a clear sense of how your stories should be written. I think you might say something in the blurb before the story the kind of feedback you want and what you don't want. That should stop people from wasting their time and yours.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

This topic comes up periodically. It's always good to have the latest information. After a similar discussion, I used the titles of country and rockabilly songs as chapter titles in the Adventures of a Young Girl. Nobody even noticed, much less complained.

As a reader, I don't know what's worse--reading through somebody else's (already familiar) lyrics because an author thought they were needed, or wading through (usually bad) 'lyrics' written by the author. Go with the titles (and names, if you must). Lyrics don't advance your story. It's as simple as that.  JP

PS--I just thought of something. It's possible to set the scene by saying something like "The girls were screaming for Frank Sinatra (or Elvis Presley, or Michael Jackson, or Justin Bieber)."

Jp--
I ran into this in my flash fiction piece, Grace After, Grace Before. I wanted to use a Prince song to illustrate someone playing an air guitar. I just used Princes' name and the title of the song and then described my character's reaction to it. I agree with you, nothing is more boring than reading through song lyrics, and the way I solved it was not 'telling' but 'showing.' 

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Sideman wrote:

Norm,

I'm a professional composer/songwriter with over 1,000 songs copyrighted. I have songs in movies, commercials and the like, so I'm pretty familiar with all the copyright issues - although I am not an attorney. You can reference the singer/songwriter/composer as you will - we always enjoy free publicity! As previously mentioned, lyrics are a whole different animal - have to be VERY careful about that. Good luck with your trilogy!

Alan

Alan--
Can you use song titles in your work as long as you don't use the lyrics?

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JP--
The police would also question the victim's friends and family and construct a time line of victim's whereabouts, what they did and who they saw the days before the murder.
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j p lundstrom wrote:

What did they do at the Boston Marathon bombing?

They had surveillance tape and people who were filming it with their cameras. And I agree with Jack.

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Stephen,
This is a really hard question to answer. I've read 6000 word chapters that flew by, and 600 word chapters that moved so slowly I thought they'd never end. I think the best thing for you to do is use your own judgement. With a novel a chapter usually ends with a hook that will make the reader go on to the next chapter. That might help you break up your 6000 word chapter if you want to.

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YAY! Congratulations! smile

njc wrote:

So far Mueller has come up empty except for except for charging someone based on  criminalizing faulty memory--the same thing they got Conrad Black on.  But Mueller hiimself has come under doubt.. He'll walk away--if he walks away--with his reputation badly soiled.  Meanwhile, FEC charges for the HRC campaign--if not for herself--grow more plausible.

Please read: http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

NJC..with all due respect you have no idea what Mueller has or doesn't have. You just have Trump's assessment. And he doesn't know. No one knows for sure what Mueller has found. However, it is significant that he wants to interview Trump. 

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It made my day too, Jack! Congratulations!!!!
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Dear Newbies,
This is how I review: I read the work and then tell the author my reaction to it as a reader. This lets the author know if they're getting their points across. You don't have to correct anything, just tell the author what you liked, what you didn't. I know a lot of writers on this site, me included, that would appreciate a review like that amid all the 'correction' reviews.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

A politics or (more generally) a debate group might not be such a bad idea.

I started the Fight Club group for fighting, for saying things to another member you couldn't say in this forum, but you all are welcome to start political debates in there if you want. Just one thing, I don't censor so if someone calls you a bad name or hurts your feelings don't whine to me about it.

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Jake J. Harrison wrote:

When someone swears in front of you, you don't have a choice. Here you can read the title of the post and CHOOSE to read...or not.

Okay, so if I posted a topic called Dagnee's Lazy and Can't Write (I don't really mean it. I'm just saying it to illustrate a point) then you have the choice to look away and not read the thread. You're okay with that? To me, this is no different.

Jake, no, I wouldn't read it. It's obviously worded to make me angry and to trigger a response.
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Jake J. Harrison wrote:

You didn't have to click. Just sayin...

That's an invalid argument. This thread is taking up space and attention. Once again, it's like crying fire in a theater. Why should I have to look away? Why should this be at the top of the forum? It's like saying someone can swear at you every day but don't complain because you don't have to listen.

I'm sorry Jake it is a valid argument. This post is plainly titled: Devin Nune's Nothingburger. It's not worded to trick you into clicking it and reading it. When someone swears in front of you, you don't have a choice. Here you can read the title of the post and CHOOSE to read...or not.
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Jake J. Harrison wrote:

I'm not really sure I see the point of pasting copyrighted, political material on a writing forum. Those that agree with it, will agree, those that don't, won't. There are plenty of political sites where partisans can go at it and are encourage to do so. It really has nothing to do with writing and is bound to create more ill will than anything. If politics stirs your writing juices then by all means go at it in the proper place and then come here to create your wonderful stories.

My family is split politically and we've decided not to discuss politics when we get together because it generally devolves into an argument. I like to come here to escape all of the red hot partisan bullshit which is circulating on the Web. If you find that must bring your viewpoint into a writing site, ask yourself why

If you absolutely must, then create a political group on the site and let like-minded people join. Otherwise, I believe pasting this stuff is like crying fire.

You didn't have to click. Just sayin...
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