Dirk B. wrote:

There's a 2016 remake with Aidan Turner (never heard of him). It sells for $35 on DVD, $30 for Blue-ray. I'd love to see a modern version, but not for that money. Neither Amazon, Netflix, or Youtube have newer versions to rent in Canada. There's a 1945 version in English and a 1987 Soviet version available on Youtube that I'll check out tomorrow.

You can rent and stream 2015 version from Amazon Prime Video for 5.99. I saw it and it's soooooo much better than any of the other versions you mentioned. Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/Then-There-Were- … B01A9IV54W
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I hope you get this before you buy the paper back:
https://www.amazon.com/Then-There-Were- … dpSrc=srch

The Rules of Prey, the first of John Sandford's Prey series, is probably the best serial killer novel I've ever read.

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I'm not a very good writer, but I'm an excellent rewriter. James A. Michener

If a writer knows enough about what he is writing about, he may omit things that he knows. The dignity of movement of an iceberg is due to only one ninth of it being above water.  Ernest Hemingway

Never confuse a single defeat with a final defeat. F. Scott Fitzgerald

Life is essentially a cheat and its conditions are those of defeat; the redeeming things are not happiness and pleasure but the deeper satisfactions that come out of struggle. F. Scott Fitzgerald

You don't write because you want to say something, you write because you have something to say. F. Scott Fitzgerald

Show me a hero and I'll write you a tragedy. F. Scott Fitzgerald

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John Hamler wrote:

Oh, no! Please... Don't close the "thread." Whatever the fuck it's supposed to be about, I forgot already. For I used to be THAT GUY, you see. (Like Charles Bell is nowl) but I've been demoted to THAT GUY who TRIES TOO HARD to be PROVOCATIVE. It sucks getting old and playing second fiddle to the new guy stirring the pot. Fuck.

Seriously, though... I dunno if Charles is just fucking with y'all or sincerely trying to stir the boiling pot from the noble position of Devil's Advocate, but... Argue with him. For chrissakes, he's falling on his sword and doing y'all a service. There to provide y'all a sounding board upon which you can improve your writing. Seriously... Utilize your ANTAGONY towards him (subtle plug) to debate your points and sharpen your rhetoric. Or, if you haven't got time for all that... Just go ahead and grab memes off the internet in order to antagonize him. That's fun, too. smile

John, there is a difference between being provocative and insulting.
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Well, this should really upset Charles. I got my critique  back and it ripped apart my submission. No agent would touch it. It was rejected. So...Charles, I would say based on that, Richard Bradburn is a legitimate editor, and someone worth listening to.
Even though I am crestfallen, it's not easy to hear your stuff stinks on so many levels, I will rally and consider it a learning experience.
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PS After thinking about the critique, I realized I probably need to take a few courses. The only thing I really know about writing mysteries is what I learned from reading mysteries. I found a six week course that wasn't too expensive and I am excited about learning something new. 
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njc wrote:

I don't know.  I prefer to ask whether the others on the forum will consider it a useful contribution.  This varies with audience of the forum, small clubby group versus everybody.

NJC I thought it was informative to let Charles know that we weren't naive and he didn't have to worry about us. smile

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Kiss,

Gacela

lol, Gacela. smile

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I am suggesting to everyone: beware of all prophets proffering truth. The monetization of same is of secondary consideration.

Charles,

I told you that we were not naive, we were not swayed by faint praise. I also assured you that for most of us this is not our first rodeo, we know to look out for hustlers. This is fact, not opinion.

Had you warned us in the beginning, I think the hard rhetoric between you and others would have been avoided.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
dagny wrote:

Thanks, Suin! smile

Perhaps you can answer the question on how an editor who claims to have a bunch of global clients is qualified to do what he claims to do. He provides no name  - only a reference to having a connection to the Irish and Canadian publishing markets, a fact irrelevant to an American author looking to write for Americans and perhaps publish in the U.S.A. Presumably he can expect aspiring authors submitting to the free site for busine$$ through clearly referenced Irish website editorial.ie, and no editor's job is to make a work publishable for any reason other than the mechanics of good writing  such as the right and proper spelling the word, "colour" as "color."

Who knew a two word response would elicit such a reaction! Dude, it's just something fun to do. It's not like we're all naive beginners who are going to be fooled into handing over bundles of cash to this editor. Lighten up. smile

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Thanks, Suin! smile

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Marilyn, Jack,

I am so glad you guys are okay!:)

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Marilyn--
Sorry to be late, but I am thinking about you and Jack the Knife.
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Dear Firefox Browser Users,

Did you know that you could listen to content on The Next Big Writer? This is how: Go to an author's page, find something you want to read and click on it. Now look at the address window and on the right you will find a square with lines on it. Click on that, it will give you a 'reader's view.' At the left side of the page are the settings. Under the font setting, (represented by a capital A in a square), there is a square with uneven horizontal lines. Click on that. That will bring up a media player. Click play. You will now hear that aurthor's work. You can increase the speed if you want.

I started to use this when I'd fallen behind in my reading, and found I could remember details better if I listened. I also like to lie back, close my eyes and relax to a story.

I hope this is something you can use.

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Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:

Ken and Barbie.  There, I said it, and I'm proud.

hahahahaha

Ann,
This made me smile, so I think it was fine to post it here. All I can come up with is Dorothy and Toto to go along with the Bluebird theme...Thanks for the laugh!
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Dirk B. wrote:

Dagny, I think you're incorrect for the following three reasons:
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hahahaha Like I said, there's always someone wink

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Sideman wrote:

Just my opinion, but FWIW ...

I believe many folks do not post, except on isolated instances, for a couple of reasons. First, so many posts get sidetracked from the OP's question/comment that the post becomes unrecognizable  to its original intent. There's always a certain amount of drifting on almost all posts, but recently (the past year or so)  they seem to drift further and further into very loosely-related or non-related tangents.

Second, and the primary reason I don't post a lot, is no matter what you say, there's always someone who can't wait to tell you how stupid you are for saying whatever you said or whatever you asked. Polite disagreement is an endangered species. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a person disagreeing with you or having a different opinion. It's the manner in which they express it. A person with a different opinion than mine is welcome to tell me all day why - just do it with a little bit of courtesy and offer some reasonable suggestions for improvement. An intelligent and courteous defense of their position opposite mine is a strong tool to possibly make me reconsider my position. Maybe I'll change my opinion, maybe I won't. But I will listen.

However when you have nothing to say but "You're an idiot for thinking that way", "Maybe that works at the fifth grade level, but ...", "Maybe writing isn't your best option in life", "You need to throw this crap away and trying something different" etc. Why not simply say, "Well, I've found a few issues here that are important. Here are the problems I noticed and  I have a few suggestions that might help" - then offer those suggestions without first demeaning the person. Also, I give little attention to those who are rude, can't wait to criticize others but refuse to post any of their own work for review..

I've spoken with three other members here in private, and they all feel very similar about it. It's not a matter of thin skin or not being open to criticism. It's matter of simple courtesy and respect for your fellow writers.

Sideman,
I agree with you, someone is always waiting to invalidate your opinion. And these threads go down rabbit trails A LOT. I used to chase that rabbit right down into the hole, and I came up with million word rebuttals until I was emotionally exhausted. I have even been known to stir a pot or two. But with old age comes wisdom and I have learned to leave my snark at the door of this forum and focus on the topic at hand. I learned also, a non-response to snakiness directed at me from another writer, helps to communicate to them homie don't play that anymore.

I know when someone gets in your face, calls you an idiot, it's hard not to want to call them idiot, too. It's hard to resist. But ignoring what is not on topic, or insulting, keeps the focus on the topic. I know it's simplistic, something you already know, but it works. When people whose sole purpose is to disrupt see they aren't getting anywhere, they leave the thread.

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Dirk,
IMO the best way to improve your writing is to write.
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JP--
This is so hard to define.

I read a lot of detective novels and most of them are character driven. Any one of Elizabeth George's novels could double as literary fiction. Agatha Christie's Poirot, Sir Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes, and my favorite John Sandford's Lucas Davenport are all characters that drive the plot.

The only thing I can come up with is that a literary novel is one balanced in characterization and plot. If I were you, I'd ignore that directive and submit anyway.

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John Hamler wrote:

I really like that passage, dagny, especially the last line, but... I wasn't trying to debate the efficacy of "my style" so much as to show that dialogue in literature (the stuff between quotation marks) doesn't hafta include the ums and uhs and errs that are, let's face it, a part of natural speech patterns. That's what this thread was about. I think. I mean, it's a book, after all. Not an audio recording. As long as you describe the character beforehand (spits when he talks, talks when he eats, etc;) you can trust the reader's imagination to embellish the dialogue accordingly. Or not.  I dunno. We can debate that either way but just know this: The profanity itself was never up for debate.

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John,
I didn't say it was. I just thought if you were going to describe dialogue, describe it all the way. Putting said dialogue into the description defeated your purpose. According to you, describing the way someone talked was preferable to using their speech patterns, but you went ahead and used the speech pattern anyway.

You can't have it both ways. Or can you?

That might be the happy medium, John. Relax your standard to include description of the dialogue as well as a few examples of that speech pattern, much the way you wrote Tourette's grandpa at the wedding.

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PS BTW...tarnish was your word. I used it because you used it. Personally, Um, Uhs and Ohs do not bother me, in fact it helps me keep characters straight when more than two people are talking. But I would never say those words tarnish anything, you did.

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Cool beans, Randall!
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If you are going to describe dialogue of someone with Tourette's this would have been a better example:

Mary knew that it was risky taking her Tourette's afflicted grandfather to a wedding, but the bride was his granddaughter and he should be there. Everything was fine until the moment when the couple were reciting their vows and grandpa let loose with a few phrases, most of which described impossible sexual positions in graphic detail, capped off with calling the groom's birth illegitimate. Mary finally got the old man's attention by grabbing his hand and squeezing it hard.
After her grandfather had finished, if one with Tourettes is ever finished, the couple continued to pledge their troth. Afterward, the bride came up to her grandfather and asked, "Are you okay, Granddad?"
Her grandfather smiled and nodded calling her a lady of the evening whose specialty focused on testicles.



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I recommend the novel Skull Session, written in first person by a Troutette's patient.

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JeffM wrote:

He broke a number of rules, but it doesn't change the fact that it's rolling-on-the-floor funny.
Maybe that's the point?

Jeff--
John used this snippet of writing as an example of description setting up dialogue without tarnishing said dialogue with the swearing that goes with Tourettes. He then went on to include the 'tarnishment.'  Whether it is funny or not isn't relevant, it was a bad example.

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John Hamler wrote:

See? I set it up in the narrative and then let the profanity and the weirdness distinguish his dialogue. Without using ums and uhs or stuttering or whatever. Now, whether I'm making the smart move by doing it that way? That's another matter entirely.

Cheers

John

John,
You still used the dialogue to describe how the old man spoke. So this really didn't prove your point. You used a mixture of description and dialogue. Not just straight description or straight dialogue. If you honestly didn't want to 'tarnish' the dialogue with swearing, you wouldn't have included it at all.

So...you proved my point.

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