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E. Free wrote:That's a difficult list to make. It all depends on what defines a trial, as well as what defines a win, fail, or draw. A quick glance at my outline says I have 19 trials with 5 draws, 5 fails, and 9 wins. But I also have multiple protagonists and a win for one could be a fail for another. For instance, one of my first chapters is about a main character stealing an item. She successfully steals it, but then her sister (another MC) gets arrested for the crime. Is that a win, fail, or draw?
It would depend on how your main character feels about her sister.
K L van Kriedt wrote:Ahhh. Thank you. Do you know who the judges are? Do they read 'blind'?
You probably need to ask Sol that.
Don Chambers wrote:I think you can definitely have the protagonist be different than the narrator. I know of several examples like this -- Moby Dick, the Great Gatsby come to mind. All are older literature, though, so it has fallen out of vogue. I can't think of anything published in the last fifty years that has done it. Still, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
The one limitation I think is that you need to keep the narrator the same throughout the book, so you will not be able to switch POV. First person would seem the best POV in this case.
I personally would like to see you try it!
I should have read you first....:)
The Great Gatsby was written like that. Thought of another one: Sherlock Holmes series.
njc wrote:A first-person narrative is a missive to the reader so the fourth wall is already brokren. The question then is breaking the narrative. When the narrator tells us what he does or doesn't like, he's doing that.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, NJC. Not having any formal training in writing, I didn't know what breaking the fourth wall meant until I read Rhiannon's post about it. That's why I like this site. You learn so much here from the other writers.
Well, I know that in A Midsummer's Night's Dream, Puck addresses the audience. In Peter Pan, Peter asks the audience to save Tinkerbell. In fiction doesn't the novel written in first person stay entirely on the other side of the fourth wall? I know when I read Sue Grafton's alphabetical murder series, Kinsey Millhone speaks to the reader at the end of her novels. I can't think of any examples, offhand, that I have read where it's written in third person and the author just stops and says something to the reader.
As for whether it's a good idea or not, I think it's up to the writer.
Mariana Reuter wrote:BTW, Ann, I haven't realised you're the author of Strong Verbs, Strong Voice. I purchased that book time ago when I started writing seriously and it was sooo very helpful! Kudos.
Kiss,
Gacela
Gacela that's the coolest thing I've heard in a while!
Sol, or whomever,
In the flash fiction contest does the word count start after or before the title?
Thanks, dags
This hasn't a lot to do with writing but it is good advice:
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
Ernest Hemingway
That first quote made me laugh while I searched for this quote, which I think encapsulates everything you need to know about writing:
If a writer knows enough about what he is writing about, he may omit things that he knows. The dignity of movement of an iceberg is due to only one ninth of it being above water.
Ernest Hemingway
dags
Randle...congratulations, buddy! I hope you sell a billion books!
I did this with Ann and it was so much fun. http://www.anneverett.com/blog/
I just read it Ann, and it was so thrilling to see my work being discussed! (Sorry I slipped a political comment in there, lol...)
I encourage you all to try this.
Thanks, Ann!
CONGRATULATIONS YOU GUYS!!!
SolN wrote:It doesn't need to be your expertise. You need to do a few minutes of research online and use that to write the article. It's only 400-500 words so it's not that long.
I might try, Sol. You're right, it's not that hard, find three trends and feature one...the five hundred word limit might be a challenge. Do I email it to you or post it on the site?
I just got number seven: The Poseidon Adventure
jack the knife wrote:Dags, you got 3, 8, 10, and 11 as far as the movies go, but you didn't name the books or authors. I'll give you #6, though Stallone's PTSD wasn't the focus in that one. Thanks for taking part! So far, you're winning!
I didn't want to cheat and google the titles of the books, Jack...I am stumped on 5...I thought it was for sure 12 Monkeys...
jack the knife wrote:Had too much time on my hands this Friday, so came up with a quiz: I've listed ten actors who have starred in thriller movies and a brief clue indicating which of their films applies. Name the movie, the book on which the movie was based, and the book's author. Some are easy, some not so. #11 is extra credit.
1. Laurence Olivier - Is it safe?
2. Tommy Lee Jones - Treasure in the desert
3. Rock Hudson - Top of the world! iCE STATION ZEBRA
4. Roy Scheider - By Jove, that was a bumpy ride!
5. Brad Pitt - The child is father of the man. 12 MONKEYS
6. Sylvester Stallone - PTSD on steroids? RAMBO
7. Gene Hackman - Which way is up?
8. Gregory Peck - My, what a big gun you have! GUNS OF NAVARONE
9. Clint Eastwood - His interest was peaked. DIRTY HARRY
10. Arnold Schwarzenegger - This show could be the death of me! THE RUNNING MAN
11. Paul Newman - A hot time in the old town tonight! TOWERING INFERNO
Good luck Denise! And congratulations for finishing!
Norm d'Plume wrote:Go to your profile page (second menu item on the dropdown) and click on Edit Profile.
Thanks Norm:)
I want to change my nic to my writing name too...how did you do that?
Right now, we can delete any review we want from our work and it disappears from the reviewer's review list. So...even though you're required to answer before you can post, I think people will just delete the review if they don't want to take the time to respond and want to post. If we instituted that rule would it work with the delete review function? And if it doesn't, would you have to take that function away? I really like that function, it gets rid of unhelpful reviews.
Even if you took away the delete the review function, all a writer has to do is delete the work and repost it.
The best way to deal with it is just ignore those who can't be bothered to respond, IMO.
SolN wrote:Ok. We can look into adding that feature back. I wanted to remove some of the coercive features of the old site but people seemed to like them.
Sol,
It's not like people aren't getting something for reviewing, they are getting points. Plus the writer didn't ask them specifically to read their work. I don't think it's productive to penalize people just because they lack good manners, especially when the reviewer holds all the cards, they get points and can decide not to re-review if that writer doesn't acknowledge their first review.
And where does it stop? What if members think a simple thank you is insufficient? Will readers then not be allowed to post if they only say thank you?
And finally, five or six people in a forum does not a majority make. Before you make rules that effect everyone maybe you should get feedback from the whole site.
Is 10 The Talented Mr. Ripley, Tom Ripley, Matt Damon?
j p lundstrom wrote:dagnee wrote:I would take out with it:
You will create a new paradise across the stars for all humanity and you will end all suffering everywhere.
It's really not needed and you won't have to use a comma. In fact you could go further and do this:
You will create a new paradise across the stars for all humanity and end suffering everywhere.
)
Just a thought.
I agree, Dagnee--no comma needed. I like your amended version.
When I'm not sure, I say it out loud to see if I pause naturally, then try saying it with other inflections. It's a joke about actors, but it really helps. Of course, (see what I did there?) I can still make mistakes. That's why God created tnbw.
This is a good idea, especially if it is dialogue.
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