I'll be happy to help where I can, Mike. Just let me know what you need.
Excited for you!
MJ
I'll be happy to help where I can, Mike. Just let me know what you need.
Excited for you!
MJ
Maybe Sol can stop these forums from being 'public' posts. Maybe we should have forums that we have to join, like our groups here that we have to join. That way, if you don't want to see the crap that's posted, don't join.
I've been thinking more and more of going towards that model. It may be that new members are not immediately put into the Premium group and can choose Groups to join that suit their tastes. In theory anyone can leave Premium, but when you're defaulted into it that doesn't seem to happen. Another idea may be to remove the forums from the homepage. Users will have to actually visit their Groups to participate. I've received too many complaints to think that something doesn't have to change.
I think removing them from the front page is the best bet. Right now, they're front and center when you open the home page. Premium forums are at the top. It's hard not to click a topic because all of us are curious by nature. I think moving them is a good idea.
“I appreciate your defending the site, Bevin, but seems to me it’s overrun by a handful of grumpy retirees who spend most of their time bitching about other members on the site, politics, and society in general. I checked, and some of the most active people on that forum hardly write or review. Why are they there? Just lonely and have nothing else to do? It’s pathetic. They write more on the forum than they post as writers. They’re cynical, jaded, and intolerant. Why would I want to engage with them? You’ve got a few of them that seem to haunt the forum just looking for someone to attack or something to complain about or pontificate on. If they were actually writing and reviewing and adding value, I could understand. It screws with my writing karma, Bev.
Food for thought. And please don’t attack me. I am just providing feedback from a “leaver” in hopes it might generate some soul-searching.
I hate to say it, but for the most part your 'leaver' is correct. We've all had our moments in the forums. But lately it seems we're running off more people than helping anyone.
Maybe Sol can stop these forums from being 'public' posts. Maybe we should have forums that we have to join, like our groups here that we have to join. That way, if you don't want to see the crap that's posted, don't join.
I'm an old/new member and at the moment also a Basic member on the same thin-ice as William. However, I do intend to go to a full writers membership at some point, but in the meantime, I am reviewing in order to rack up a few points to allow me to post my stories. If this is an insult to you, or baffles you please message me and I'll avoid reviewing your work. I've recently been politely informed within a review reply, that the author doesn’t need reviews. That is appreciated, but I’d rather know before I pen the review because I’m trying to make the review meaningful (in so much as I can).
It doesn't bother me in the least that you, or anyone else, is 'just' a reviewer. Some of my best help has come from people who only review and never post their own work. Whether you're a basic member or a full-fledged one makes no difference to me, NOT TO MENTION IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS. As for the person saying they didn't need reviews, then why did they post their work to begin with? Don't waste my time. If a writer doesn't need or want reviews, please state that in the beginning in the chapter description because I certainly have more important things to do than waste my time where it's not wanted or needed.
In case nobody has noticed, William Short has closed his account after having been here on this site before any of the rest of us. What is wrong that we older members keep pissing people off so they leave? These threads should be helpful, not harmful. I think Sol had a good idea when he said he didn't want these forums at all. Just my opinion.
Dunno, J P. When I clicked on his name at the top of this page, it goes to his profile page, and his 'book' is listed there. Clicked on it, and Chapter 1 came up. Bunch of reviews he hasn't acknowledged. So maybe you can't dust your hands just yet!
If it's a group, and you join it, the new post will show up on the right side of your screen just the same as any post in any of the groups you're a member of. It just won't be at the top in the premium group. Most of the other groups I'm a member of never have any posts, so if I unjoin the inactive ones, then the feed for the political one will be under the feed for premium.
Having said that, I don't really know what else I wanted to say. Just a passing thought. It's hell getting old! The only gold in my 'golden years' is the color of my urine. Go figure.
Cheers,
MJ
"If you build it, they will come." (Field of Dreams)
Just let us know when it's up, and I for one will join. I am sure there are others.
p. s. Please, folks, don't let this degenerate into another discussion about reciprocation. We got the point last week!
It's not about reciprocation. It's about this writer asking for help here in the forums, then getting that help, then disappearing. Even asking for support for his desire to become a writer. All lofty goals. I like helping people, but not unappreciative people or people who have changed their minds and no longer want my help. Wouldn't mind helping him in future endeavors, but not unless he at least responds and doesn't delete his Chapter 1 like he did his prologue.
So I guess he did save you some time, J.P. Good for you! LOL!
You can count me in.
In order to solidify my transition into a writing career, I've also started a Patreon where I'm accepting commissions from interested people. I did this just a couple days ago, and I've gotten two friends to pledge to me, so I wonder if any of you have done the same, and if so, how did you grow your platform? If my Patreon really takes off, I could use it to finance a number of ambitious projects that go beyond the creative writing I'm currently doing.
Hey, PulaaK,
What has happened to you? You posted a prologue. I spent a lot of time reviewing it and offering suggestions. It disappeared without so much as an acknowledgment from you that you'd received my review. The whole prologue is gone.
Then you posted Chapter 1. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I reviewed that, too, and took a lot of my time doing so. But... I have not received a response from you on that one either.
For the record, many of us on here have more important things to do than to review the work of someone who won't even acknowledge they've received or read our suggestions. You came on here specifically asking for help. You got it, and now nothing from you. You even mentioned transitioning into a writing career and that you'd started a Patreon accepting commissions from interested people.
My question: How can anyone take you seriously? No response indicates either you don't want our help, or you received it and don't like someone making suggestions.
Food for thought,
MJ
And one last thing: When someone spends their time reading and reviewing, and they leave comments, always acknowledge that you've at least read their reviews, whether you agree with them or not. I, for one, will read maybe two chapters of someone's work, and if they don't acknowledge with at least a 'thanks for your time,' I don't review them the 3rd time because it makes me think either they didn't want me to review their work, or they didn't like what they read. Since you're new here and may not know how this works, there's a box below the review labeled 'Save Reply.' That's how you acknowledge their time and effort. And that's how you get your reviewers to continue reviewing. Just wanted to throw that out to you FYI.
Cheers,
MJ
That's fabulous news, Jack!! Kudos!!
A tyrant named Donnell who wants to conquer the U.S.and set up a dictatorship? Does he hold military parades? :-)
ROFL! "And every knee shall bow..."
We wouldn't want you to post everything at once. One chapter at a time is all we reviewers can handle. So why don't you go ahead and work toward the goal of letting us see Chapter 1 and we'll take it from there? Good luck.
Speaking from the perspective of a newbie, it's hard to review someone else's work and even harder when reviewing a more experienced writer. I've been giving plenty of reviews, but feel shy about doing so. We're talking here about reading and reviewing genres we maybe not so familiar with. It can be hard to fully appreciate a good story when it's not what you're used to reading, and so on. I'd figured that the point system, at least in quantitative terms has reciprocity built in. Lots of things to figure out as a newcomer.
Christine, you're one of the ones I was talking about whose writing has improved greatly since your first post! I love seeing that.
Don't be afraid to jump in and offer your thoughts on anyone's writing, no matter how long we've been here. That's how we learn. I've read many genres that I wouldn't ordinarily read, like fantasy and sci-fi. Those are not genres I would buy off a bookshelf, but all the genres share a common need for correct grammar, punctuation, and flow. I also am not a reader of poetry in my normal world, but I do read it here. I don't have what it takes to judge a poetic posting, wouldn't know a haiku from a hoo-doo, but I know if I like it after the first couple of lines. I can't offer much in the poetic style department except letting the writer know how it affected me.
The point system does have its rewards for reviewers, but there's nothing like seeing a new writer expand their base and read something they consider out of the realm of what they would normally read. If the first paragraph catches my attention, I will read the whole thing. I learn a lot from reading the work of others. It gives me ideas of how to express myself.
Keep writing!
MJ
And then there are the ones who actually listen and take in all you have to offer, and it works. I read a lot of the newbies' work, too, and in some, I can see they've taken the advice given. It's been such a long time since I joined, so I don't remember, but is there a check-off list of things for new members to do to keep their reviewers coming back? If so, I hope 'at least say thank you for your time' is one of them. It at least lets us know they've read our reviews.
MJ
I opened Paula June's story around lunch time, got interrupted, so I left it open and tended to other things. I came back that evening, and it was still on my screen, so I read it and left an inline review. Then, when I hit enter, I got a message that the chapter had been deleted and account closed. I spent probably 30 minutes or more on that review, only to find out nothing I did mattered. I wondered the same thing, Randy. What the heck???
I think in the end it will be proven that Trump manufactured the memo himself. He's capable of that, and he will do what it takes to get himself out of the Russia investigation. If he fires Rosenstein and replaces him with one of his henchmen, that person will fire Mueller without it looking like Trump did it. Anything to discredit the FBI works for Trump. If I were Mueller, I would arrest Trump today to keep that from happening. I don't know what he's waiting for.
Congratulations, Jack! Job well done! Whoot! Whoot!
MJ
'Yippy ti yi yo, get along little doggies...'
Just finished a review for you. Hope you find it helpful! Welcome to the site!
Cheers,
MJ
Agh, sorry to hear this, Bill. Follow doctor's orders, though. We will survive here until you get back to us full time.
Positive thoughts headed your way!
MJ
The pay is peanuts, but here's a call for submissions if anyone is interested in adding to their published portfolio.
People leaving, people calling people names, people pissed off. Stop. Just STOP.
What the hell is wrong with everybody? Go to your rooms and you shall have no pie. We're all adults here, folks. Nobody would guess it, but nonetheless, we are.
Join Shred. Don't join Shred. Nobody.gives.a.rat's.ass.if.you.do.or.don't.
This might be a good time to close this thread. Turn off the TV like you have to do when it's bedtime for a child.
Good night, John Boy.