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Dirk B. wrote:

You can also check out Fiverr for freelance editors. I decided to submit my first two chapters ($100 for 10,000 words) as a trial. Turnaround is approximately 10 days. I'll let you know how it turns out. There are multiple editors on the site with different levels of experience, although not all edit fiction.

I did freelance editing for Fiverr for a couple of years.  Just make sure you hire someone who speaks English as their native tongue.  Many of them are from other countries and aren't familiar with American customs.  If you look at their profile, you can learn where they're located and normally what their native language is.

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Wow!  Congratulations, Randy!  I am so very happy for you.  What an honor!

Cheers,
MJ

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Congratulations, Roxanne, Ann, and Brian!  Well-done! 

MJ

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Can someone please help me with the following sentence:

Teresa thought they might have more landing areas closer to the centre, but couldn’t make any out.

Unless I'm mistaken, the second clause is dependent. So why the comma?

Thanks
Dirk

C.  separating a preceding dependent clause from the main clause (“Depending on the size of the entrée, I might not order dessert”)

It falls under C above in the original thread post, but in your case the dependent clause is at the end of the sentence.  It works the same.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

My version of Microsoft Word (2007) replaces three periods with an ellipsis symbol. It looks almost the same, but it's one character. I can't recall if I configured the software to do that, but I'm sure they have the same feature in newer versions of Word.

Ah!  I'm using the 2013 version, but haven't noticed that feature.  Maybe I'd better take another look.  (But then again, it only takes half a second to do ... )

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jack the knife wrote:

Not sure what Marilyn meant by an ellipsis symbol (other than dots). I tried looking it up and got nowhere. And to my mind, using a symbol of some sort instead would confuse most readers, so why bother?

All of the info came from Daily Writing Tips, which is emailed to me daily.  They always have some great tips, so I copied and pasted their info here for those who don't subscribe to it.  I think they were referring to the dots as the 'symbol.'  At least that's how I took it since there is no other ellipsis symbol that comes to mind.

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From today's Daily Writing Tips for anyone interested:

A Guide to Internal Punctuation

Posted: 22 May 2018 04:01 AM PDT

This post outlines the functions of punctuation marks employed within a sentence: the comma, the semicolon, the colon, and ellipses.

Comma
A comma performs a number of functions, including

A.  setting off elements of a list (“I’m going to order soup, salad, and an entrée”)
B.  combining with a conjunction to separate two independent clauses (“She ordered dinner, but she declined the dessert menu”)
C.  separating a preceding dependent clause from the main clause (“Depending on the size of the entrée, I might not order dessert”)
D.  separating a nonrestrictive relative clause from the main clause (“We were overwhelmed by the menu, which was six pages long”)
E.  setting off an adverb from the main clause (“Ordinarily, I would not order dessert”; “I would, ordinarily, not order dessert”; “I would not order dessert, ordinarily”)
F.  framing parenthetical phrases (“I will, just this once, order dessert”)
G.  setting off an appositive (“My favorite dessert, cheesecake, is missing from the menu”)
H.  setting off coordinate adjectives (“I feel like having a big, thick slice of cheesecake for dessert”)
I.  setting off an attribution from a quotation (“My friend said, ‘I’m going to order dessert’”)
J.  setting off one or more words identifying the subject of direct address (“John, are you going to order dessert?”)
K.  setting off a date from a year and parenthesizing the year (“January 1, 2018, dawned just like any other day”)
L.  setting off a city name from a state or country name and parenthesizing the state or country name (“Lebanon, Kansas, is the geographic center of the contiguous United States”)
M.  setting off a surname from a given name when the first-name, last-name order is inverted (“She is listed as ‘Doe, Jane’”)
N.  indicating ellipsis of one or more words (“Everything was as I remembered it—the church was white, the barn, red”).

A comma should not separate a subject and a verb (as in the erroneous sentence “The tiramisu, is sublime”) except when it is closing a parenthetical phrase (“The tiramisu, as expected, is sublime”) or setting off repetition of a verb (“What it is, is sublime”). Likewise, a verb and its direct object should not be split asunder (as shown in the incorrectly punctuated sentence “She intuitively grasped, that she was in trouble.”)

Another error that involves a comma is a comma splice, in which a comma, rather than a stronger punctuation mark such as a semicolon or a dash, appears between two independent clauses not separated by a conjunction, as in “You see a half-empty glass, I see a half-full one.” (An exception can be made for brief declarations, as in Julius Caesar’s famous summary “I came, I saw, I conquered.”)

Semicolon
The semicolon has two primary functions. First, it unites two closely related independent clauses, as in “You see a half-empty glass; I see a half-full one.” (In such cases, it takes the place of a period or a conjunction; including both a semicolon and a conjunction is an error.) Second, it replaces two or more commas in an in-line list (a list with a sentence) when one or more of the list items itself includes commas, as in “The names, as listed, are Doe, Jane; Jones, William; and Smith, John” or “I spotted many squirrels; several deer; and a hawk, an osprey, and a heron.” (If the list organization is obvious, as when list items begin with distinct verbs, commas may be employed, as in “She shopped at the supermarket, visited the bank and the credit union, and ran errands at the hardware store, the drugstore, and the dry cleaner’s.”)

Earlier usage included setting off coordinate clauses in complex sentences or to otherwise signal a more pronounced pause than a comma would suggest, but these approaches, especially the former, are outdated.

In quoted material, a semicolon always follows a close quotation mark. Also, the mark may seem too formal in the midst of a sentence in quotation marks; a dash more clearly conveys a transition to a separate assertion or idea, as in “Mary said, ‘Don’t go in the abandoned house—it’s not safe in there’” rather than “Mary said, ‘Don’t go in the abandoned house; it’s not safe in there.’”

Colon
A colon precedes

A.  quoted material set up by a complete statement rather than an attribution (“His reply was succinct: ‘Not a chance’”)
B.  an explanation (“We declined the invitation primarily for one reason: He insists on driving, and we don’t feel safe as his passengers”)
C.  a list (“The meal consists of the following courses: appetizer, salad, entrée, and dessert”).

It is also employed between pairs of numbers to represent ratios (“The results indicate a 5:3 ratio”)
in references to time (“The next train is at 1:35”)
in numerical representations of elapsed time (“The record stands at 3:26.00”)
when citing biblical verses (“John 3:16 expresses the same sentiment”).

A colon also separates a book’s title and subtitle or, in bibliographies, the city where a publisher is located and the name of the publisher. In formal writing, it follows the salutation.


Ellipses
Ellipsis means “omission,” but it primarily refers to a succession of three periods, called ellipses, usually interspersed with letter spaces, or a single symbol representing three periods. Style guides differ in which form is preferred, but the ellipsis symbol looks cramped, and use of ellipses (a series of periods) is more visually pleasing.

Ellipses represent omission of one or more words in the middle of a sentence (“A friend . . . knows all about you and still loves you”); generally, they are unnecessary when omitting what precedes a partial quotation.

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Strange how things affect people differently.  When someone tells me I should consider turning my short story into a novel, I am delighted to hear it because it gives me hope that the reviewer REALLY liked it and would love to read more.  Then it gets my creative juices flowing and makes me consider the possibility.

Many novels were started as short stories.  Virginia Woolf's 'Mrs. Dalloway' started out as a short story called 'Mrs. Dalloway in Bond Street.'  Jhumpa Lahiri's novel 'The Namesake' started out as a short story called 'Gogo!'  Even 'Lassie' started out as Eric Knight's 'Lassie Come Home.'

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Dallas Wright wrote:
Norm d'Plume wrote:

Marilyn, I went to site and, when I tried to sign up, it said the site was free to use for 15 days, after which you either have to subscribe monthly or yearly. I couldn't find a free version.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/?feed=rss2
Just put it in your newsfeed and it gives you the daily tip.

Thanks, Dallas.  It's been so long since I signed up I couldn't remember how I'd done it.  I've been getting this daily feed for a good 5 years, maybe longer.

Here's the email link"  https://www.dailywritingtips.com/welcom … ting-tips/

Hope that helped, Norm.

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Some of you may already subscribe to this site.  They send you writing rules and suggestions daily if you sign up with them (it's free).  This one came this morning, and I thought it might be helpful for some folks.

https://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-way … e-concise/

10 Ways to Render Sentences More Concise
By Mark Nichol
This post details various strategies for reducing and simplifying sentences.

1. Sentence Combination
Avoid consecutive sentences that end and begin, respectively, with the same word or phrase as occurs here:

        A common way to track the current state of systems is monitoring performance metrics. Performance metrics show how assets are performing at
        the transaction level.

In such cases, replace the period between them with a comma and delete the second iteration of the word or phrase with which: “A common way to track the current state of systems is monitoring performance metrics, which show how assets are performing at the transaction level.”

2. Condensing by Subordination
When a sentence includes two consecutive verb phrases, consider converting one to a subordinate clause. For example, note how the subject of this sentence is followed by two statements of fact:

        The renowned tea is a symbol of the city’s gracious hospitality and is often served in a glass to display its jade-green color.

The first statement can easily be subsumed into the main clause as a parenthetical phrase:         “The renowned tea, a symbol of the city’s gracious hospitality, is often served in a glass to display its jade-green color.”

3. Integration of Clauses
Here, an introductory subordinate clause sets up an unnecessarily wordy sentence:

        For health care entities with similar classes of customers, they may be able to reduce the overall evaluation effort by applying the portfolio approach.

The clause is easily integrated into the main clause by omitting for and treating “health care entities,” rather than they, as the sentence’s subject:         “Health care entities with similar classes of customers may be able to reduce the overall evaluation effort by applying the portfolio approach.”

4. Denominalization
Nominalization is the complication of prose by using nouns when employing the verb form of that noun, or revising the sentence to eliminate the need for a noun, produces more clear, concise prose; nouns, of course, are integral to prose but, especially in the case of formal nouns with such elements as -ation, they can be abused in the service of conveying authority. This sentence is not overly formal, but it is wordier than necessary:

        Furthermore, companies are taking backups of the production applications and storing them for indefinite periods.

Denominalization—literally, “unnaming”—is simply a fancy way of saying “rephrasing to eliminate nouns.” Note that in this sentence, the noun backups can be converted to a verb, rendering the verb taking superfluous, and the final phrase can be condensed by transforming the adjective indefinite into an adverb, which enables deletion of the noun periods:         “Furthermore, companies are backing up the production applications and storing them indefinitely.”

The following sentence is an example of a statement with a double-decker nominalization:

        Management may find it beneficial to engage in a dialogue on a periodic basis regarding the organization’s policy.

As in the previous example, one word easily replaces a phrase—“on a periodic basis” can be reduced to periodically:         “Management may find it beneficial to periodically engage in a dialogue regarding the organization’s policy.”

But further reduction is achieved by replacing the phrase “engage in a dialogue” with a synonymous word:         “Management may find it beneficial to periodically discuss the organization’s policy.”

5. Employing Terms Rather Than Definitions
One strategy to achieve conciseness is to avoid describing something by defining it; note the explanation in the following sentence:

        He was prone to making embarrassing mistakes in public.

Here, the person’s behavior can be described with a term that embodies the definition:         “He was prone to committing faux pas.”

6. Deletion of Expletives
The expletives “there is” and “there are” are poor substitutes for a strong subject; note how the following sentence gets off to a weak start:

        There are few, if any, finance and accounting departments that are not experiencing some form of extreme change.

Expletives need not be excised in every case, but minimize their use by deleting such phrases in favor of the definite noun or noun phrase that follows (and delete the associated that that appears later in the sentence):         “Few, if any, finance and accounting departments are not experiencing some form of extreme change.”

7. Avoiding Tautology
Tautology is redundancy or repetition, such as shown here:

Could you repeat that again?

To repeat is to do something again, so this sentence is equivalent to “Could you say that again again?” Indicate the action one way or another: “Could you say that again?” or, more concisely, “Could you repeat that?”

8. Using Brief Modifiers
When modifying a noun to provide more information about it, use a preceding adjective or phrasal adjective rather than an extended phrase following the noun. The following sentence demonstrates use of a verbose modifying phrase:

        She offered an explanation that was brief and to the point.

This sentence can be tightened up by locating the description of the explanation before the noun:         “She offered a brief, to-the-point explanation.”

9. Excising Single Words
Sometimes, reducing a sentence by just one word improves it, as shown in the following examples:

        Rather than assessing all of the contracts, select a representative sample to assess.

In the phrase “all of,” of is generally superfluous:         “Rather than assessing all the contracts, select a representative sample to assess.”

        How is technology helping to change the way elderly people are cared for?

In the phrase “helping to,” to is extraneous:         “How is technology helping change the way elderly people are cared for?”

        That is the most annoying error I have ever seen, and also the most prevalent.

Also, when it immediately follows and, is redundant:         “That is the most annoying error I have ever seen, and the most prevalent.”

10. Avoiding Prolixity

Refrain from florid, verbose descriptions. The following sentence is an extreme example of self-indulgent wordiness, but unless one is deliberately prolix in the service of humor, be vigilant about reining in excessively ornate prose:

One might with the utmost confidence essay to prevail in a debate in which one asserts that possessing one’s own means of vehicular conveyance offers one greater flexibility than public transportation provides in the matter of travel to one’s place of learning or employment or to social occasions.

Pare such overly complicated composition: “It’s easy to win an argument that having one’s own car makes it easier to get to school or work or to meet friends than if one uses public transportation.”


ADDED INFO:  Here's the sign-up link for the free daily email:  https://www.dailywritingtips.com/welcom … ting-tips/

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Sideman wrote:

I agree with what both of you are staying. Marilyn, here in Decatur, Alabama, folks often say, when you ask where someone lives, "Oh, he stays over on third Street, just down the block from the Baptist Church." It's part of their vernacular. My former mother-in-law lived in Richmond, VA. She'd say, "Alan, can you carry me to the store, my car's not running very good."

I've decided to write as my characters would speak, given their culture and location. Here in Northern Alabama, about half of all sentences start with "I'ma fixin' to ..." as in "I'ma fixin' to go to the store. Can I pick up anything for you while I'm there?" Seriously, it's probably the most common start to a sentence in the area.

Another one I hear almost everywhere is making a noun into a verb. I've been in the music biz all my life. I recently had a guitar repaired. I called and asked if it was almost finished. His answer"  "We're efforting to have it done by tomorrow." Hmmm. I always thought it was We're making an effort to ..."

Alan

At least you got fixin' to.  Here in Georgia it's fittin' to, as in Ima fittin' to go to th' store.  I grew up in the deep south, so southern dialect is embedded in my brain.  However, proper use of the English language is, too.  Strange, though, is when I hear someone with a deep southern drawl, I cringe.

And speaking of Southern, have you heard the Malpass Brothers talk?  They've come on the scene as a traditional bluegrass/country duo, and listening to them talk is comical in its own way.

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Or when they add -ed at the end and need a different word instead.  "I winded up going to the party anyway." 
Another pet peeve for me is stays vs. lives.  "She stays at 101 Main Street."
Not to mention:
Your vs. you're
It's vs. its
There vs. their

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wordsmith wrote:

Hello, ladies and gents. It has been years since I've been a member, but here I am again. Looking forward to reading and reviewing as I'm starting a new book and thought I could use some eyes other than my own before I go much further.

Not sure who is writing now, but I'll hop around and familiarize myself with the site.

Hi, wordsmith!
It's good to have you back with all us 'oldies but goodies.'  Can't wait for your new postings.  I always enjoyed everything you wrote.  Glad you're here!

Cheers,
MJ

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Cow ponies are not classified as a breed.  They're smaller, more agile horses used by cowboys to help herd their cows.  Their breed is likely quarter horse, but not necessarily so.  A Welsh Cob could also become a good cow pony.  They could also be a mixed breed.  Any horse who can keep up with a herd and keep them in line could be referred to as a cow pony.

Hope that helped!!
MJ

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Linda Lee wrote:

My main horse was CRAZY about red licorice and cola. I didn't give her either very often, but if she caught a whiff of licorice, she'd go nuts trying to get it.

Mine go nuts over peppermint.  No matter the form.  They love the long peppermint sticks or the individually wrapped ones, but if you approach chewing peppermint gum, you get lots of kisses and question marks in their eyes!  "Where's mine?"  If I have peppermint in my pocket, they follow and nudge until I relent!  Even if I wear a jacket that had peppermint in the pocket two weeks ago, they still smell it.

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Kdot wrote:

This clever horse has gotten into one of the character's packs and devoured the humans' dinner. I just need to finesse what's left of it when they catch the rascal. I figure, based on what you say, we'd see a pile of cobs lying around and horse working on the last few ears.

Then I'd say your assumption of the corn cobs would be accurate.  About the only thing a horse won't eat is meat of any kind.  They love apples, watermelon, cantaloupe, pickles, bread, cookies, candy (except chocolate).  Some  of them will drink beer, sodas, eat ice.  So I think you have a wide range of silliness to choose from for that horse.  And most of them love peanut butter, but it gets stuck in the roof of their mouth and they are really comical trying to get it out.

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Kdot,
Corn is the worst feed of all for a horse because it's so high in starch (sugar) and can make them colic - which is comparable to the worst upset stomach you've ever had times 10.  Colic can and often does lead to death because horses cannot regurgitate or throw up like humans can.  With that said, when corn IS fed, it's usually not on the cob, but rather cracked, rolled, or steam flaked or pressed. 

Yes, there are still people who insist corn is okay to feed to horses.  Those folks will normally throw the entire corn cob in.  If a horse has, say 10 corn cobs to choose from, they will eat the corn part first, then go to the next ear of corn and eat that corn.  The cobs are left til last.  Whether or not a horse eats all of it depends on many things - the horse's metabolic make-up (some horses will eat anything anytime it's handed to them...those horses are called 'easy keepers,' but that's not always a good thing.  They over-indulge and gain weight, which leads to feet problems (founder) and fat deposits underneath their skin, plus they get lazy if not exercised regularly.)  Those easy keepers will plow through the cobs without hesitation. 

Another type of horse, referred to as a hard keeper, wouldn't touch a cob, and most likely won't eat all the corn off the cob.  They need a special diet to keep weight on them, but it's usually not corn. 

Then there's the regular horse who is unpredictable and normally more reserved.  They may leave the cob to dry out before eating, or may not eat it at all.  Think of the cob as the cereal we humans call Shredded Wheat - without the frosting on top.

I don't think this answered your question, but there are too many variables to say it's normal for a horse to eat the corn from the cob, then eat the cob itself.  Horses are finicky creatures and what they do today may not be what they do tomorrow.   

Did I thoroughly confuse you?  LOL!

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Kdot wrote:

Hey horse people... some questions that Google is doing poorly at answering for me...

1) Do ponies try to herd with horses? Or it is more of a "we're too good to hang out with you guys?" kinda thing?

2) As a riding animal, can the larger breeds generally carry a small adult as well as a horse? (Say 100lb / 45kg range). Google says they're more durable, but can't find good stats on endurance under weight conditions. I chanced across a page that mentions ponies are "adept at avoiding work" which implies they're not gonna carry an adult very far.

I have more, just haven't resolved them clearly in my head yet

Hi, Kdot,
I've got 60 years of horse experience.  I own an animal rescue, and we take in abused and neglected horses, donkeys, ponies, and mules.  Yes, ponies do well with horses.  They don't seem to notice they're smaller than a horse.  I currently have a 1200-pound horse (the one in my profile picture here) whose best friend is a 400-pound Shetland pony, even though there are other horses and ponies in my pasture for both of them to pal around with.  The only time a pony really needs another pony is at grooming time because horses groom each other. 

Yes, the larger breed of ponies, like the Welsh, can carry a smaller adult.  The page that says ponies are adept at avoiding work shows the writer has never been around ponies for extended periods.  Ponies are extremely smart, but I have never known one to try to get out of 'work' any more than any other equine.

Hope this helped. 

MJ

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Gosh, Nancy...how did you have enough wits about you to even write this post?  That's a day pulled straight from the pages of a movie set.  I'm so sorry you had to go through all that.  I hope your Dad is on the mend and that you and your sister are finally able to get some rest.  What an ordeal for you.  Keep us updated on his condition (and yours).

Prayers and positive wishes heading your way.
Hugs,
MJ

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As a reviewer, I am more apt to do an in-line review for a short chapter than for a long one.  My idea of a short chapter is 1500-2000 words.  I will do a longer one if the story moves along.  But when I get into a really long chapter by accident, I tend to skip the middle of the chapter and jump to the end unless it's a story I just can't put down.  But that's just me.  Many times I review a story I'm not really interested in, but grammatical mistakes are the same in all genres.  But I hesitate to review a 6000-8000 word chapter in a genre I don't care for.  Unless I really love you!  smile

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"Before you go, sir, I just want to make sure everything in your Will goes to me as you said last week.  Is that correct?"
"Sister Marie, you know he's too weak to talk," Sister Mary said. 
"Why do you keep pestering him?" Sister Katherine asked.  "Can't you see he's in obvious pain?"
"Yes, Sister Katherine.  I have a double-dose of his pain meds here," Sister Marie said as she administered a needle full of the yellowish liquid.
"You can give him mine, too, for halves," George said as he watched the old man's eyes close and his body go limp.  "Old man's loaded." 
"Sorry, George, but your meds were in the soup you just drank.  We don't need witnesses.  Good night."

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Norm d'Plume wrote:
Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I would eventually like to get to where I only post in this group.

If we all take that approach, there will be fewer experienced eyes reviewing the material of new authors (i.e., the stuff in Premium), and they will have less material from experienced authors (i.e., the stuff hidden here) to learn from. Could cause a slow death for the site.

Oh, I would still review the newbies like I do now.  I don't mind helping them and offering suggestions.  After all, we were all newbies once.

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I agree with Jack.  I would eventually like to get to where I only post in this group.  I like the years of writing experience of everyone in it, but I also know some of our chapters can get quite lengthy.  Some of us already have more points than we'll ever use, while others of us need those points to post our own work.  I personally have plenty, but I feel we can urge each other on and get and give better reviews if points are made available.  Just my opinion, FWIW.   

BTW, thanks for adding me! 

MJ

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Congratulations!  You're proof that hard work does pay off!    smile

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Wishing you all the best, Mike.  I hope your load will get lighter with time.  Prayers for peace as you struggle through this.  Message me if I can help with anything!

Peace to you,
MJ