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j p lundstrom wrote:

I guess the thing that bothers some people is the repeated use of the same verb over and over, when there are other perfectly good words, and often more precise, that a writer could use. In your passage above of 181 words,you used Was-6 times, I’m (a contraction of I am) twice, and Is—8 times for a total of 16. (16/181 = almost 9%)  So, 9% of your writing is the same word.

Think of it: if 9% of your writing were a word like spaghetti, or conundrum, or supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, people would say "Can't this guy think of another word to use?"

Color me flabbergasted!  J P, you astound me sometimes!  Love your answer. 

I need to go to my portfolio and start adding up be, am, is, are, was, were, been, being.  And maybe I'll grab all the other no-no words like appear, become, feel, grow, look, seem, remain, smell, sound, stay, taste, turn.  Gotta get myself a percentage! 

You make me laugh, J P!  smile

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"To be" verbs sound weak and wordy.  Example:  The books at the library ARE excellent.  The librarian WAS knowledgeable. The room WAS clean. The card file IS the best I have ever used. (25 words)  ***  Now take away the 'to be' words and replace with something like:  The library boasts of excellent books, a knowledgeable librarian, cleanliness, and the best card file I've ever used. (18 words).

Our friend WAS the driver of the car:  Our friend drove the car. 

Here's another example I found online:  The restaurant’s parking lot IS narrow. THERE ARE not very many parking spaces and those that ARE available
ARE too cramped.  Change to:  The restaurant suffers from a narrow parking lot with only a few cramped spaces.***  The new sentence took away 'to be' verbs in addition to 'there are' which slows down the reading process and makes the writing clunky and wordy.

Was falls into the 'to be' category.  Though grammatically a word, it comes off as weak.  Way too many good, strong verbs available. 

I'm guilty!  I admit it.  I use 'to be' much more than I should.  I'm going through the 12 steps myself.

Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:

The logistics would need to be worked out, but there are writers here who have series, repeating characters, and that inspired me.  Best in cross-over.  Like you have your characters in some other writer's world, or vice versa? You know, like Kdot's characters in a Lieutenant Beaudry novel?

I think we're to the point now that whatever subject Sol chooses would work. 

Sol?????

SolN wrote:

Interesting ideas. I'm going to continue following this thread and we'll launch a new contest by the beginning of next week.

Sol, this was back in August.  Did I somehow miss the contest, or have you just not come up with a good one yet? 

I personally think it's a good way to draw in more writers to this site. 

Anybody else ready for a new contest????

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Welcome. Here is a quote from a post my Marilyn Johnson that you may find useful: The one thing I would suggest is when you post your first chapter or story or poem, make sure to post it in a group that pays points to the reviewer, like the Premium group.  If you're not a member of it yet, may I suggest you join that one before you post.  You will get more reviewers if they get points for their review, which they will use to post their next piece.

Well, thank you, Norm!  I was surprised to see my name.  Nonetheless, new folks sometimes don't get the points idea.

Craig, will you be posting your children's book here on this site?  I look forward to reading it and maybe sharing ideas with you.

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Thanks for posting that, Memphis Trace.  Very nice reminder of what we have to be thankful for. 

I would add additional thoughts of my own:  I'm thankful we haven't been attacked with a nuclear bomb yet by North Korea because of Resident Trump's foolish mouth and inability to see the error of his public name-calling and childish tweets.  I am thankful the curtain is about to fall on his Residency in the White House, as well as the Trump Mafia who have taken over, including his daughter and son-in-law.  I am thankful there are still sane people in this country not willing to let this fool run rough-shod over us as were his intentions from the beginning.  I am thankful there are people who oppose the Republican tax cut, giving a person like myself an additional $800 (WOW!) of spending money per year, while giving Resident Trump an additional $25 billion per year. 

All in all, things could be worse.  Hopefully Mueller is about to wrap up his investigation and arrest the entire Trump clan, including Junior and his brother, Cadaver Boy. 

Fingers crossed, and wishing everyone here a blessed and happy Thanksgiving! 

MJ

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Fabulous!  Congratulations, Jack!  YAY!!

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Wow!  Congratulations, Bill!  Well-deserved reward! 
Now, it's off to the next one!!

Cheers,
MJ

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corra wrote:

Hi Vern! smile

Within the original post, Marilyn quotes the publisher as saying "... but successful writers of quality fiction have learned to resist the temptation" [to use dialogue tags to do more than differentiate between speakers.] I am guessing people are responding to that when mentioning "examples of 'great' writers who have broken the 'rules'" within this thread.

Yes, Corra, probably that's the problem.  This is ONE publisher sending me ONE list of words THEY don't want to see in a manuscript.  It can also apply to anybody NOT sending them a manuscript IF you are sending a manuscript to someone else. 

If you're self-publishing, this list will mean nothing to you because you don't go by 'rules' if you don't want to, so why bother going back through and taking out all your chuckles, smiles, giggles, barks, and snorts?  LOL! 

I threw this out because I thought somebody somewhere out there in cyberspace could use it.  None of this is set in stone unless you are submitting to MCP.  And even then, they allow exceptions.  I do know Randall has a book published by them, and I know Bill has submitted to them.  Hopefully if anyone else is sending them something, this list will be helpful.

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If you self-publish, I presume you can break any rule you want to.  I shared the list given by my publisher because that's what they go by.  Not my rules.  Theirs.  They made a couple of changes in my manuscript that I questioned, and we got into a great discussion similar to the thread here.  By no means do they have the last say in anything except what they put on their press and spend their money marketing.  The part I liked about their comment to me was 'if you can physically smile a sentence out of your mouth, then, by all means, use 'she smiled' as your tag if you want to.  If you can physically laugh, grin, interrupt, intone, joke, or grimace a sentence out of your mouth, or any of the other words listed out of your mouth, then, by all means, you are special, and you should be allowed to use them.' 

Not everyone will agree with them.  Of that I am sure. 

The other thing discussed here is the use of adverbs.  I like adverbs until they overpower what I'm reading.  Then it's time to stop.  I think of an adverb as a three-ft. wall someone constructs across my jogging path.  They're short enough to go over, but after I jump over four or five of them, I find a new jogging track.  Some writers can come up with the most god-awful adverbs ever created:  She stared at me DARKLY.  She was OBLIGINGLY difficult.  She BLESSEDLY fell asleep.  She was so mad she spit FUMEDLY.  She HARRIEDLY collected the eggs.  She CONSTIPATEDLY sat on the toilet reading.  She OBSERVEDLY watched.  I don't know how the rest of you feel, but too much of an annoying thing will make me read something else.  Just my opinion — what's yours?

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They are not saying don't use the words on that list in your book.  Just don't use them in a tagline.  If you use something other than 'said,' then ask yourself 'how can each word smile out of my mouth?'  Or how can each word chide out of my mouth, volunteer out of my mouth... etc.  Most of them cannot be done physically.  As Moonshine told me, there are always exceptions, and there are places where nothing else you use can hammer that one important thought any better than a tagline.

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vern wrote:

To this list I would add "paused" which was debated as a dialogue tag in another recent thread. At least most of these could actually be shown by the spoken word whereas "paused" and the like definitely can't be. I must say I used many of these and similar ones in the past, but I find only one I still have in my completed novel -- I'll probably keep it for now just for old times sake; no one wants to be perfect. Hopefully that puts me on the right track. Take care. Vern

That sounds like a good one to me, Vern.  I don't think anyone can pause a sentence out of their mouth.  Cause if they pause, then I assume there are no words, no dialogue.

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Some great notes I have received from Moonshine Cove Publishing Co., the ones who are publishing my western novel, Two Roads to Sunday.  We had a discussion of which dialogue tags were unacceptable, and I asked them to send me the list they go by.  This is the info they sent.  Most of you probably already know this and learned it in Writing 101, but occasionally we do slip up.  Or at least I do!  If anyone wants the list and info, I am sharing it for you to keep a copy of:

Use a dialogue tag only when necessary, and when in doubt as to which tag to use, simply say “said.”  Only in hack fiction has a person ever been able to bark, spit or smile a sentence. It’s a physical impossibility. Instead of using such body language terms as tags, we suggest making the dialogue itself convey that meaning, so that no propping up is needed, i.e. showing instead of telling. In the end, just use said.

Dialogue tags seem simple and utilitarian, but they actually have hidden traps to ensnare the unwary. Most of the problems stem from trying to make dialogue tags do more than the sole purpose they serve — helping readers keep straight which character is speaking. Trying to make tags do double duty, such as telling readers something about the character’s state of mind or tone of voice using a tag, or using them to tell about an action you've already shown, seems to hold some sort of special attraction to novel writers, but successful writers of quality fiction have learned to resist the temptation.
Here's a list to avoid.

accused  — "You did it," she accused him.
acknowledged — "Yes, I heard you," he acknowledged her.
acquiesced — "You are exactly right," he acquiesced, though he didn't feel it in his heart.
added  — "I'll show you when we get there," he added.
admitted — "Yes, I like puppies better than kittens," she admitted.
admonished — "Don't get out of that chair," he admonished her.
advised — "The weather forecast is for snow tomorrow," he advised.
affirmed — "We received three shipments," she affirmed.
agreed — "That does sound like a good deal," she agreed.
amended — "That's what I really meant to say," she amended.
announced — "Jeff and I are expecting a baby," she announced to the room.
apologized — "I'm truly sorry I forgot your birthday," he apologized.
argued —  "But it's not the same," she argued.
assured —  "I will take good care of it," he assured her.
barked —  "And don't come back," he barked as she backed out the driveway.
began — "I don't know how to tell you this," she began.
begged — "Please just say you will keep this to yourself," she begged him.
bellowed — "You forgot your mittens," Mother bellowed down the street.
blurted — "I'm not who you think I am," he blurted out when she entered the room.
boasted — "We have two new cars," he boasted.
bragged — "Her scores were the highest in the class," she bragged.
breathed — "I can do this," she breathed out loud.
bristled — "I don't care if she comes back or not," he bristled.
cackled — "That's the funniest thing I've ever heard," she cackled.
cautioned — "Remember the roads are slippery," she cautioned.
challenged — "You can do this, I know you can," he challenged her.
chastised — "You should never have said that," he chastised her.
chided — "It's getting colder by the minute," she chided.
chimed — "I want to go, too," she chimed.
chirped — "I am so happy I could scream," she chirped.
choked — "He died yesterday," she choked.
chuckled — "I saw how you slid down the hill," he chuckled.
clarified — "That's not what I meant," he clarified.
coaxed — "Come on, kiddo, just one more step," he coaxed.
commanded — "Knock before you enter," he commanded.
commented — "Your drawings are perfect," she commented.
complained — "This is the hottest day of the year," she complained.
conceded — "I give up," she conceded.
confessed — "I really don't like hot pepper," she confessed.
confided — "He's got more upstairs in the dresser drawer," she confided.
confirmed — "You're headed in the right direction," she confirmed.
contributed — "There's nobody else like him," she contributed.
countered — "Then I will go in the opposite direction," she countered.
concluded — "All is well that ends well," he concluded.
confirmed — "That's the correct number," she confirmed.
cooed — "You are the cutest baby I've ever seen," she cooed.
corrected — "It's the next door down," he corrected.
countered — "I'll give you this one for that one," he countered.
cracked — "You're a nasty man," she cracked.
croaked — "I don't feel like listening to this trash," she croaked.
declared — "It's the best I've ever seen," she declared.
deduced,
defended,
demanded,
demurred,
directed,
disagreed,
discouraged,
dismissed,
divulged,
drawled,
echoed,
encouraged,
enthused,
exclaimed,
exaggerated,
exalted,
explained,
finished,
forced,
fretted,
fumed,
gasped,
giggled,
gloated,
graveled,
greeted,
grimaced,
grinned,
groaned,
growled,
grumbled,
grunted,
gushed,
hesitated,
hinted,
hissed,
howled,
inserted,
insisted,
instructed,
interceded,
interjected,
interrupted,
intervened,
intoned,
introduced,
intruded,
jabbed,
joked,
kidded,
lamented,
laughed,
lectured,
lied,
maneuvered,
moaned
mocked,
mused,
noticed,
observed,
offered,
ordered,
persisted,
piped,
pleaded,
pled,
pondered,
pouted,
pressed,
pried,
probed,
proclaimed,
promised,
prompted,
proposed,
protested,
purred,
questioned,
quipped,
rambled,
ranted,
rasped,
reassured,
recovered,
relented,
remarked,
remembered,
reminded,
repeated,
reprimanded,
requested,
retorted,
roared,
scoffed,
scolded,
seethed,
shrieked,
shushed,
sighed,
slurred,
smiled,
snapped,
snarled,
sneered,
snorted,
sobbed,
soothed,
spat,
spouted,
sputtered,
squealed,
squalled,
stalled,
stammered,
stumbled,
suggested,
supplied,
surmised,
sympathized,
taunted,
teased,
threatened,
thundered,
tossed,
tried,
urged,
ventured,
volunteered,
wailed,
warned,
wheezed,
whimpered,
whined

Hope somebody can find this list helpful.

MJ

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I got great news today from Chicken Soup for the Soul.  I write for them frequently, and today received this:


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We hope you will listen and enjoy! We would appreciate it if you would spread the word by passing this e-mail on to your friends and family so we can build an audience.

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Apple Jacks -- milked up

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Dill Carver wrote:
Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I love getting reviews, but I hate somebody trying to rewrite every word I've written.  Been there, don't like it. Don't get me wrong - a suggestion here and there is great and appreciated.  But to highlight every single paragraph is ridiculous unless I have asked them to do it in advance."

A nice try MJ, but surely you meant...

I enjoy receiving reviews, but am less than pleased when somebody edits my words into their own. I've experienced it and it irks me. Please don't misunderstand - a few suggestions are greatly appreciated, but to focus intensely upon every paragraph is certainly not called for... unless we have entered in a collaborative development understanding.   

Marilyn Johnson wrote:

Last time it happened to me, I returned the review with this:...

 
..."I certainly don't appreciate all the time you spent grooming my Âne du Cotentin so it sounds like your Baudet du Poitou instead of mine. I am sure it was time-consuming but totally not necessary. Due to the fact that both you and I are here, on this site called The NextBigDonkeySanctuary, probably shows that neither of us has an Andalusian or an Âne grand noir du Berry in the stable...

Nay, I say. 

NAY!

You've got to quit reading my mind, Dill!  How didja know??

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I love getting reviews, but I hate somebody trying to rewrite every word I've written.  Been there, don't like it. Don't get me wrong - a suggestion here and there is great and appreciated.  But to highlight every single paragraph is ridiculous unless I have asked them to do it in advance.

Last time it happened to me, I returned the review with this:  "I appreciate all the time you spent rewriting my chapter so it sounds like your voice instead of mine.  I am sure it was time-consuming but totally not necessary.  Due to the fact that both you and I are here, on this site called The Next Big Writer, probably shows that neither of us has a best-selling novel on the shelves of Barnes & Noble.  I would like that to happen one day, but until such time, I will continue to write in my voice and expect you will do the same.  My one suggestion to you would be that if my voice perturbs you that much, I think you would be better off to find something else to read.  Thanks for stopping by."

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Chicken and dumplings

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What in the dickens?

I totally agree with Corra about this being an uncomfortable loophole.  Short of pulling the heckler through the screen and boxing his/her ears in the form of vigilante justice, it appears to be something Sol will have to address. 

I just realized through this thread I could go into the posts of the ones I have blocked and leave all manner of retaliatory remarks on their work, but they can't reciprocate.  I can even change some of the comments I've made on previous exchanged reviews.  hmmm...  I wouldn't, however, do that... well, maybe...nah!  Not worth the effort since we're all adults here, but maybe just one sharp jab... nah!  Not my style, but ...  thanks, Dill.  You don't know how long I've wanted to ... 

JK
MJ

Dill Carver wrote:

I don't mind people blocking me, it just seems a little skew-whiff if I can't return the favour and block them from accessing my junk in an even-handed manner.

Make your 'stuff' inactive until Sol can eliminate the problem or let you know how to block whatever's causing you grief.  That way no one csn have access until the problem is resolved, then you can go back and make them visible.  Just a suggestion.

Cheers,
MJ

Dill Carver wrote:

So, if a member blocks me, it would appear that I can no longer bring up their profile in order to block them in return.  If they have blocked me first, can I not block them likewise

Dill, I just checked on a particular person I have blocked, and I can still go to their profile and their posts and I can do an inline or a regular review on their stuff.  They just can't on mine, apparently, so I think it doesn't work both ways.  I am not sure how you go about blocking them if you can't see that person's profile.  Maybe a question for Sol.

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Sexiest

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Baptist

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Something I've noticed -- something I've been guilty of -- telling someone they've done a "Good job!", or patting them on the back with "Good work!", especially after you've torn their work to shreds, is patronizing. I for one won't be using either phrase again.

I know where you're coming from, but just because I point out things that are repeated throughout the story doesn't mean the writer didn't do a good job with everything else.  I reviewed one the other day where quotation marks were not used throughout, and I marked them all.  In addition, spelling errors in a few places, and a few more things, but I loved the story.  The writer did a good job with holding my interest and it flowed well, in addition to having great characters. 

I don't feel it's patronizing when you're offering constructive criticism and the storyline itself was good.  Just think how much better their next one will be since you've offered your help.   

MJ