Topic: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

To all new members:  Before you post your first piece, please join a group that pays points for reviews.  Like the Premium Group.  It's free to join.  Then on your posting page, make sure to check that group.

Most members on here review for points.  They need those points to post their own work. 

It's not too late if you've already posted something and didn't join a group that pays points.  Join the group, then repost.

You will get help with your writing this way.

MJ

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Re: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

In the beginning no one could post their writing unless they had a paid membership, they could only review. I reviewed for a few months before "joining" and thus had a big head start on points for posting; a whole lot less pressure that way with the points waiting so you can post at your convenience. Just a thought. Take care. Vern

Edited to clarify you couldn't post "writing" but you could post to the forums.

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Didn't new members used to get a small amount of free points when they joined? What happened to that? It would help newbies to jump in with both feet. As I recall, the thing I disliked about other sites I tried was that you had to 'earn' the right to post your stories. It seemed like way too much hoop-jumping to me. In comparison, tnbw was extremely user-friendly. I liked it from the start.

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It's been too long for me to remember what happens when you join.  But I see so many new members coming onboard, posting their hard work, and receiving no reviews.  That's discouraging.  The main culprit for no reviews is their post doesn't pay points.  Though I personally don't need points because I have more than I will ever use, some of us do need them.  No need wasting a half hour doing an in-line review if you don't get rewarded for doing so.

Is there anything a newbie receives that lets them know how the point system works and why it's important to post in a group that pays points?

I'd like to get away from the groups anyway.  Not sure how effective they are.

Just my opinion.

Re: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

You did use to get I think around 50 points once you joined (paid membership). Haven't checked on what the parameters are now since you can post stories for free. You generally get what you pay for. I don't think the "group" thing really works other than for a small minority, but the subject has come up several times and Sol shows no inclination to change it and it's his show even if captured by aliens for a few months, lol. "Where have all the promos gone, long time passing." Take care. Vern

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I'd like to get away from the groups anyway.  Not sure how effective they are.

Just my opinion.

I remember the hue and cry over the groups--'we don't need them', 'they won't work anyway,' and 'how come we can only join five?' Sol upped the number to ten before you could say Jack Robinson (I've waited a long time to use that phrase--I may have forgotten the fellow's name). But the hardest part (for me) was figuring out what to make a group for. I started with Cop Shop, thinking crime was a good bet, though not necessarily as a career choice, and it worked for a while, with people offering their expertise to answer others' questions. But it's a thankless job filling in the blanks for folks who don't care to do their own research, and our 'authorities' gave up on us after a while. Nowadays it seems nobody does more than take a look to see if Jack and Janet have already answered all the quiz items. I don't know if people got wise and started doing their own research, or if they just don't care. But I do know that the Group never became the fount of intellectual discourse I envisioned. Or even good gossip.

I started Mama,Trains and Pickup Trucks for fun--I liked the sound of the words and my friend said there ought to be a group for my kind of 'poetry.' Unfortunately, not too many people seem to find fun in the same things I do. MTAPT is REALLY quiet these days.

I've tried some of the other groups from time to time, but they don't appear to do a lot of talking to each other, either. Recently, I've started posting topics on the Premium Group Forum just to see if I can get a nibble. It's nice to know there really are other people out there, even if the only thing they want to do is bash the President. (Doesn't matter who it is--there's always something to bash them about. Sometimes I get carried away, myself.)

Where was I?

Oh, right--the Groups. Well, I said my piece, and so did Verne and Marilyn, so there you have it.

Happy new year, by the way. JP

Re: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

A handful of us set up shop in the Medieval group so we can help each other flesh out ideas, or just chat. Each person creates a single running forum thread for their book(s) that the others read and respond to. Simultaneously, we review each other's chapters. Two of us are actually writing science fiction, but since Medieval is where most of my reviewers hang out, that's where I put my thread.

My next book is going to be a supernatural thriller, but the group for that has zero posts in the forum since the site went live, so I'll probably just continue with a thread in Medieval.

Naturally, when it comes time to post chapters, I include them in Premium and Science Fiction as well. I have a couple of long term readers who don't hang out in the forums.

If I need help beyond what our little clique can provide, I ask in the Premium forum.

This is not really how the site/groups were meant to be used, but it's an acceptable workaround.

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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think we have a whole lot of members anymore.  In any of the groups.  I can't seem to get a rise out of anybody lately.  We have new members who join, get an earful of negatives, and then go by the wayside.  They keep joining, which is great, but don't seem to stick around for long.  I don't know if it's because of lack of reviews, or because the reviews they get don't live up to the expectations they've put on their work.  But I doubt any new folks will get any reviews if they don't post in something that pays points.  Sometimes I log on and get the feeling that I am the only person in the world on here.  It's a strange feeling.

How about that, J P?  I didn't bash the president (though he needs it!).  smile

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I admit I don't spend much time in the groups--I'm just too busy with reviewing, writing, and editing.

I agree with posting in groups which pay points since we all need points to post our own work. Not sure why some of the new folks seem to disappear. Did their friends and family tell them what great writers they are, which might different from what reviews say? The reviews are a fantastic way to improve one's writing.

Back to editing.:)

Re: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

Marilyn Johnson wrote:

How about that, J P?  I didn't bash the president (though he needs it!).  smile

Unfortunately, Lord Trump has his supporters also; otherwise we wouldn't need to tell the truth about the pathological liar. Is it bashing to tell the truth? Trump seems to bash quite a bit without telling the truth.  Oh well, let the truth reign. Did I just bash His Assness? Hope so. Take care. Vern

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Re: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

Marilyn Johnson wrote:

They...don't seem to stick around for long.  I don't know if it's because of lack of reviews, or because the reviews they get don't live up to the expectations they've put on their work.  But I doubt any new folks will get any reviews if they don't post in something that pays points.  Sometimes I log on and get the feeling that I am the only person in the world on here.  It's a strange feeling.

How about that, J P?  I didn't bash the president (though he needs it!).  smile

Don't worry about the bashing. I'm used to it now.

About the disappearing members--what you say about points as an incentive to review is probably correct. I remember being stunned after taking the time to write reviews and not getting my Pavlovian reward. This happened a few times before I caught on (Pavlov was right). I still get caught from time to time, but that's not my main criterion for reviewing.

If I spot a work that has an offensive (this is purely subjective), boring, or ungrammatical title, I don't read it. If after skimming the first few paragraphs, I find the substance to be any of the three above, I don't review it. Then if, after reviewing the first few chapters, the author still shows no sign of learning the difference between 'then' and 'than,' 'its' and 'it's,' or when to say, 'Joe and me,' rather than 'Joe and I,' I write them off.

So I think maybe your second reason is more likely, which is why we don't ask our friends and relatives to review our work. Friends and relatives, sharing the same environment, have the same level of literary expertise. After being surrounded by people who praise our writing, it's tough to take the hard truth. I know I quit the site after only a couple of months of folks telling me I was 'head-hopping,' or 'telling rather than showing,' or the most damning, my 'character showed no signs of problem-solving.' The reason? I was too dumb to know what any of that meant!

I tried a few other sites, and they were totally worthless--just a few kids bragging about their social life and writing new episodes of Star Trek. So I came back, and with the help of a few thoughtful reviewers, I have learned a lot. Now when I write a review, if I feel the writer won't understand my critique, I explain why I'm saying something, and may even give them links to online sources. This is more helpful than throwing buzz words at them. And the people who really want to learn how to write will come back.

But you know what? Life happens, things change, and humans adapt. There are any number of reasons why our friends have not been active, including family tragedies and grave illness, even death. There are positive reasons, too--when your writing takes off and you're going on book tours and appearing on the Today Show, can you really say you'll still be logging in to tnbw faithfully? Or maybe you'll hit the lottery and decide to travel the world. Will you still have time for the rest of us then?

Stick with those of us who are still here and don't worry about the rest--they'll either come back, or they won't.

JP

Re: Attention NEW Members: Before You Post

Well said, JP!