Topic: Politics and Religion Fights Forum

In view of Sol's post closing the thread on guns:

SolN wrote:

Political discussions are not what the Premium Group was designed for. It's a writing focused Group. If you want to have a political discussion, please do it in a Group open to this type of debate. Thank you.

Sol

is there any interest in a group to discuss politics and religion?

Memphis Trace

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You can count me in.

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

You can count me in.

Good stuff. One's a quorum in our forum, which means I can continue to talk to myself publicly.

Memphis

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There's a general-purpose Fight Club group.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

There's a general-purpose Fight Club group.

I checked into that and made a post there. There were no responses.

Reading the discussions there, I got the impression that folks there were fighting more about reviews than about politics and religion. If I am wrong, let me know. I'm happy to go to that playground if it won't disrupt a group.

Memphis Trace

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Having been a victim of gun violence, having had to live with type 1 diabetes from a gunshot to my abdomen, to my pancreas 50+ years ago, I definitely have strong opinions towards guns, to their disabling consequences to me, and their influence on American culture. I no longer rant and rave on forum posts and will attempt to express a cogent victim's perspective. I was dead for a number of seconds from this gunshot experience, so I will also try to express a dead man's point of view on guns and religion. Been there, done that.

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I think healthy debate on Political issues is a good thing. You don't get it on FaceBook or twitter. We all have sides, and getting to know the views of the other side is paramount to healing our great divide. I've noticed that the discussions put forth in this forum (though not about writing) are very articulate when it comes to the varied viewpoints. As long as we respect each other's views and opinions and keep the debate open, without disintegrating into the ill-researched, crap-shoot you get on other venues (reposting lies, un-researched and non-fact-checked partisan bullshit), I'd be all for a political/religion group.

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is there any interest in a group to discuss politics and religion?
Memphis Trace
I'm in. This seems to be the most intelligent online community I belong to and I'm interested in what all who participate here think and have to say. My only hesitation is we need to keep it respectful as nobody needs members road-raging against each other.

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I'm of two minds.  I contributed to the thread in the Premium group but only because I saw confusion and misinformation posted.  Vern and I ended not as far apart as it seemed at first.  I did see the issue degenerate into emotion, ad hominem and rhetoric.  This makes me cautious about having a forum here about any hot-button topic.  There are forums on FB that allow open discussion, but you have to be like a bird watcher ("Yes, I just spotted the deep reasoning throaty eagle of paradise, known for its logic.  And it was widely thought to be extinct.") to get anything reasonable out of it.  I'll join, and wait until I get to my disgust level before quitting, but I'm warning people, although I have only just recently started keeping my citations (due to online arguments in which my citations were demanded), I argue with logic, and not emotion (although I do have a sarcastic streak).  And as Jubal Harshaw, in Stranger in a Strange Land said, "Logic--a most uncouth way to argue."  I will point out your fallacies.  Don't hate me because I'm brainy as well as beautiful.

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"If you build it, they will come."   (Field of Dreams)

Just let us know when it's up, and I for one will join.  I am sure there are others.

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Memphis Trace wrote:
Norm d'Plume wrote:

There's a general-purpose Fight Club group.

I checked into that and made a post there. There were no responses.

You have to be a member of a group to see the forum posts for that group. Whatever group you choose (or create), advertise it in Premium, then check if the membership in the group goes up.

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Memphis Trace wrote:

In view of Sol's post closing the thread on guns:

SolN wrote:

Political discussions are not what the Premium Group was designed for. It's a writing focused Group. If you want to have a political discussion, please do it in a Group open to this type of debate. Thank you.

Sol

is there any interest in a group to discuss politics and religion?

Memphis Trace

Anyone reading the Premium Group Forum for the last year would have thought the ONLY thing it was for was political discussion.  Talk about delayed intervention....LOL

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For me, it's just a way to kill the spontaneity of the discussions. Setting out to discuss politics and religion outside of everyday discussions from which they emerge and evolve seems rather contrived, but what the hell, give it a shot. Take care. Vern

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That stinks. I went on a pretty good rant there last night and now I can't remember what the hell I was talking about. Well, I do remember the gist but... That too shall pass because the problem with having a separate socio-political forum is you gotta remember to go looking for it and by the time you find it you've either calmed down or sobered up or lost your edge or both. I contend that debating your fellow fictioneers (vehemently, if needed) in an open and evolving forum is good writing practice and in fact encourages a person to spontaneously combust some bars of profound prose and pentameter. (Unlike myself, some members even cite sound logic and statistics to back up their arguments! smile

But I get why Sol doesn't want that kind of divisive rhetoric above the fold and on the front page, scaring away potential next big writers, and I'm not protesting his decision. Perhaps the bestest thing to do is to personally write an essay on whatever current event is chapping your lips and then wait to engage the first responders. Unfortunately, like Vern says, it kinda kills the spontaneity and retards the discussion. 

Having said all that, what is it I'm actually saying?

Cheers

John

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If it's a group, and you join it, the new post will show up on the right side of your screen just the same as any post in any of the groups you're a member of.  It just won't be at the top in the premium group.  Most of the other groups I'm a member of never have any posts, so if I unjoin the inactive ones, then the feed for the political one will be under the feed for premium. 

Having said that, I don't really know what else I wanted to say.  Just a passing thought.  It's hell getting old!  The only gold in my 'golden years' is the color of my urine.  Go figure.

Cheers,
MJ

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JH and MJ - Thanks for making me laugh. I needed that !

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Norm d'Plume wrote:
Memphis Trace wrote:
Norm d'Plume wrote:

There's a general-purpose Fight Club group.

I checked into that and made a post there. There were no responses.

You have to be a member of a group to see the forum posts for that group. Whatever group you choose (or create), advertise it in Premium, then check if the membership in the group goes up.

I joined the group before I posted there.

Memphis Trace

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pammy raff wrote:

is there any interest in a group to discuss politics and religion?
Memphis Trace
I'm in. This seems to be the most intelligent online community I belong to and I'm interested in what all who participate here think and have to say. My only hesitation is we need to keep it respectful as nobody needs members road-raging against each other.

Though I hope for the same thing you do—that members of the forum present arguments against members' positions, not against members—I am hesitant to have it be moderated.

I have suggestions to minimize disrespect:
1) only Premium Members can join;
2) only Members of the group can see the posts;
3) a $10 per year surcharge to become a member, with the money going toward adding to an annual  The Next Big Writer essay contest about religious or political matters, to which I will contribute an additional $250;
4) members of the group use the group as an exercise in learning to ignore posters who present unsupported flame throwing and drive-by personal insults and other ad hominems;
5) inform new members on joining that their $10 surcharge is their commitment to building up rather than tearing down the TNBW community.

Memphis Trace