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Why go to all that trouble. There will be too much DNA evidence in the "fall off." With Snoqualmie Pass in the winter, the body can be disposed of without all the gore. Or, Lake Washington serves as a lovely resting place. A paint bucket filled with cement, a length of chain and the body will remain beneath the 55 degree waters for longer than the murderer will live. I was going to suggest trying the lumber splitter on a spare wife to test it, but that would be the Alfred Hitchcock in me speaking.

I found this really interesting discussion against the novel online (contains spoilers immediately upon clicking). I think the speaker of the video makes a lot of really interesting points. I really like the way he compares America's reception of To Kill a Mockingbird versus Go Set a Watchman. Really solid remarks, I think. (From what I watched. I skimmed a bit.) He seems to echo some of what Dill said above. He mentions the way Lee emphasizes Boo's whiteness at the end of the novel: I'd missed that. (SPOILER FOLLOWS) Robinson is black and he dies; Boo is white and he is spared. I think the speaker fails, though, to consider Lee may have done this on purpose, not to condone it, but to bring it to light. He (may) also fail to consider that Lee wrote for a middlebrow audience, not to romanticize the issue, but to attempt to reach the middling sorts. :-)

"Boo had drifted to a corner of the room, where he stood with his chin up, peering from a distance at Jem. I took him by the hand, a hand surprisingly warm for its whiteness. I tugged him a little, and he allowed me to lead him to Jem’s bed."

I still love the book. I love it because I love it. I still haven't bothered to reread it and have anything intelligent to say in this thread -- evidence perhaps that I don't quite love it enough. I like to see it challenged and beaten about. I'm not sure I'll ever consider it beneath the effort.

vern wrote:

Charles F Bell wrote:

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

So, you do agree with me that organized religion is the problem.

Actually, I think you said white heterosexual male Protestant Americans is the problem, or was that someone to whose mind you have melded?

vern wrote:

Unfortunately, none of the major religions adhere to the philosophy set forth in the quote. You need only go to any denominational gathering or tune into any televangelist or any event where they offer up a prayer to confirm it. No, I don't really expect you to say so -- on the contrary, you'll most likely twist it around to say something else -- but you might try it in the hopes of giving me a heart attack. Take care. Vern

Matthew 6:6 within the first level of understanding means that followers of a minority faith should lie low and even be secretive, and if the God of that faith has any power to hear prayer, he will do so.  At a broader, second level understanding it means that faith does not require ostentation, and contrariwise puritans were sometimes rather showy about their lack of ostentation, so good at demonstrating their goodness, and the modern liberal, the social-justice warrior, has that annoying puritan inheritance.   Evangelism is different because of the proselytizing nature. Islam, requiring everyone in the world to be muslim, or die, or submit to lower status, is not evangelism but imperialism.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

vern wrote:

I don't believe anyone is arguing against the "Who and Why of Now." And it would be preposterous to think the US as a so-called Christian nation has not gone after perpetrators in spades in several Muslim countries. At the same time it is hard to dismiss the actions of the US and others over many decades in contributing to and motivating the enemies of Christianity, embodied by the West, to propagate atrocities in the name of their god.

Don 't take this personally, this is garbage, and your thinking is part of the problem. There are no "actions" Americans have taken that has made islam the especially vile and loathsome set of ideas that it is, and it might be said that Americans only took some action to make the problem worse, to enable islamists, by putting an islam sympathizer into the White House and singularly the most incompetent Secretary of State his agent - in the same way that Americans putting a NYTimes-style-of-the-day fascist socialist in the White House in the '30's exacerbated socialist destructive success in Europe eventually made total war against socialism necessary, should we have wanted to save our country from loss of territorial sovereign rule.  Beside ignorant useful idiots like you, there are unfortunately now many at high levels of power and their knaves who seek loss of U.S. territorial sovereign rule with islamic fascists, climate-change fascists, communist and open-society and libertarian anarchists and dopes like you their tools for that.