926 2016-05-08 15:35:18
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
927 2016-05-01 23:04:33
Re: I need to rant & get advice from my fellow authors (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I don't belong to any Facebook groups so don't anticipate that problem. However, if I did, I would go through a fairly large time-frame and check the number of posts by others, to especially include Mark, and get an average per day count over the long haul and then compare those statistics with a similar time-frame of your posts -- say one a month or whatever. I would then post the results (assuming they make my point of course) along with a more dramatic note to the effect you did, showing/telling Mark (and any other likeminded authors) to shove their posts into a deep dark hole and then proceed to delete the account. But that's just a not so civilized me. Take care. Vern
928 2016-04-28 11:59:06
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Got Tang
929 2016-04-27 23:32:19
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
C J Driftwood wrote:rhiannon wrote:I always thought the custom was over-dramatic, but then we all mourn in different ways, and is it more over-dramatic than having cops lead a motorcade through town, stopping traffic? I personally think that good fantasy borders on the over-dramatic at times. At least its fun for me to write and read. I think 'as was our custom,' even might be over-explaining. Maybe when she meets up with Jeb again, I might have him ask your question, and she explain it. I do use the trope of having customs that would be normal for the strange culture shock or give a reaction from outsiders. When Rosalyn first meets Lido, for instance...
What I meant about being over-dramatic - was more about the timing. The dragon wasn't quite dead yet, and beating the breasts, instead of trying to save him, just didn't feel like the first thing someone would do. I imagine the first thing someone would do (which ended up being her second thing) was to try and save her friend. The custom itself wasn't that big of a deal, it was more the timing.
More her perception. Her first thought was that her friend was dying. Then, she goes, 'oh, I can save him.' I think that's a realistic response to such a shocking experience. A lot of people freeze in such situations.
Under the scenario presented here, I would have to say that it would not be logical/realistic to go into a mournful beating of the breasts if the friend was thought to be dying and not thought to be dead - HUUUGE difference in response. It would be more logical that the first thought would be to try to save that friend. Yes people do "freeze" in certain situations, but if "freezing" was what occurred, then there would also be no beating of the breasts or anything else of consequence as actions are shut down. The normal reaction after "freezing" is overcome would also be to try to save the friend, not to beat breasts in premature mourning. I would suggest the friend be assumed dead before using the beating of breasts action. Just my opinion. Take care. Vern
930 2016-04-27 12:04:04
Re: Places to find reference reading (32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Okay, this thread has been sidetracked and run, like the train in Fleming's Diamond's Are Forever, into a colliery. I'm starting a new one.
Virtually every thread which is fortunate enough to last more than a few comments takes turns and twists along the way. I can almost guarantee any new one will do the same at some point unless someone moderates by deleting unrelated items. I'm not posting this on the new thread so as not to speed the expected result. Take care. Vern
931 2016-04-25 03:30:13
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
(Flagellation was normally administered on the back, not any ventral area, and is entirely different from the expression of grief or remorse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Fortuna , second verse, last couplet .)
True for the most part, but flagellation by definition doesn't restrict it to the back and as primarily a religious act is used for penance or remorse and since the Black Death was considered punishment from God could well be thought of as a means of mourning for the sins of the afflicted. In any case, it was used in this discussion merely as an example of the ancient practice of beating one's self (including women) for any who might question such a thing and might need some concrete evidence that such things did and do take place whether in a fantasy world or our own. Take care. Vern
932 2016-04-25 02:36:16
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
Which is why I wrote the fourth item, 'or from the particular story'. But the point of the original post was that the author expected readers to know the tradition of the act BEFORE reading her story, and was surprised that a reviewer didn't.
None of this helps author Rhianon answer her question, nor does it address that the tradition =which she expects readers to know before reading her book= might not be exactly what she understands it to be, or might not actually be applicable to her character.
But if she's telling/showing the reader as stated that the character(s) rip their clothes and beat their breasts, then in this fantasy world the reader should understand that it is at least a somewhat normal practice under the circumstances -- or conversely it could be taken as a dramatic and unique expression of the mourner in question. If the author goes further to say that it was done in the tradition of whatever famous person from the past within the storyline as suggested, then it would serve to make the tradition a fact to be accepted within the fantasy world created. Or, barring further information, the reader should be able to assume whichever fits their traditional/non-traditional cup of tea so to speak. The author need not draw out a detailed historical basis for the actions when the reader can do that for themselves should they desire to paint the picture with a certain hue. Either letting the action stand alone or offering some small reference to it being tradition should serve the purpose with only a slight nuance in the way it should be perceived. That's the way I see it. Take care. Vern
933 2016-04-24 23:10:02
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
Understood, BUT the reader's knowledge must come either from the Western Canon, from popular culture, from Fantasy 'tradition', or from the particular story. The first and last are most likely; I'm not aware of breast-beating in popular culture or mainline Fantasy.
Since the act in question differs somewhat for men and women and the Western Canon would probably have men as the actors--unlike the present work--it seems reasonable to question the background of the practice.
Moreover, I suspect that when the plural 'breasts' is used, it refers to (as patent language would say) a plurality of persons, and that when one person is involved, the singular 'breast' is used, indicating the general pectoral region and not the mammaries (or where they are undeveloped in men).
(Please excuse the clinical language. I'm trying not to be crude.)
I fail to see how Western Canon or any previous fantasy culture would preclude the practice as written for a new story unrelated to any norms we might be prejudiced toward. Should I wish to write a story where women cut off their nipples and made ear rings from them as an act of mourning, then there is nothing which should prevent me from doing so and having to justify it with any past norms or practices of Western Canon or different world fantasy would be totally unnecessary and thus not something to aspire to during the creative process imho. The story is fantasy and by definition can relate anything we can imagine without any real world precedent. Take care. Vern
934 2016-04-24 21:49:03
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
If I am mistaken, PLEASE correct me, with actual references.
Not that it matters to the story in question, but just because you said PLEASE, you might try the link below which shows a portrait of a female between two male flagellants and the text further supports the practice by both men and women. Take care. Vern
http://history.ucsc.edu/undergraduate/u … _Beard.pdf
935 2016-04-24 21:26:14
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
However, I think our oldest references are Biblical. Almost any other reference in the Western Canon will itself be referencing the Bible. And my point was that presumably-all the Western Canon references will be to men.
If I am mistaken, PLEASE correct me, with actual references.
Please see my edited PS from above message which was being posted as this one was. Take care. Vern
936 2016-04-24 21:13:55
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
I was under the perhaps mistaken impression that Biblical breast-beating was a masculine expression. It would be somewhat different in effect for women, no?
It doesn't have to be "Biblical" for the purpose of the story; I (not the author) only used that as an example for showing it to be an ancient practice. I don't believe the story referenced by Rhiannon has a Biblical setting; that is why I suggested using a name from the story setting or let the reader get it from the context. Take care. Vern
Edited for PS: Since the work in question is fantasy, the practice doesn't have to conform to the norms of our historical past, only the one in the story presented.
937 2016-04-24 14:59:00
Re: Places to find reference reading (32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:Most, if not everything written has elements of more than one genre which is probably a good thing for those with a sweet tooth since you can't bake a cake with a single ingredient. Take care. Vern
Much like mixing Christian Literature genre with LGBT with a dash of vampire mythopoeia.
Yes, sounds like a recipe for a good Fruitcake. Take care. Vern
Edited to add this link of the Fruitcake Lady: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evocKJg03VE
938 2016-04-24 14:55:53
Re: Beating One's Breasts (24 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
Perhaps you could pick a well known person from the past in your story (say similar to King David from the Bible who indeed ripped his clothes in mourning) and say something to the effect: "As was the custom of 'King David or whoever' the women ripped their clothes and beat their exposed breasts" or such, or you could make an off hand reference to the "flagellants" during the Black Death plague, OR you could accept that every reader is not going to know everything and just because someone didn't know that to be the case doesn't mean it requires an overt explanation. Most times things can be surmised, without our prior knowledge, from the context. Take care. Vern
939 2016-04-24 14:27:17
Re: Places to find reference reading (32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Most, if not everything written has elements of more than one genre which is probably a good thing for those with a sweet tooth since you can't bake a cake with a single ingredient. Take care. Vern
940 2016-04-22 00:37:09
Re: Places to find reference reading (32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
By the way, given that 'fantasy' means : "imagination unrestricted by reality"
What do you guess has happened since the 17th century that has made writing fantasy impossible
According to the definition you provide, exactly how is writing fantasy impossible? Take care. Vern
941 2016-04-17 03:33:51
Re: Trouble with the Strongest Start (6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Quick question about the contest...what if we know one of the judges?
Just my opinion, but I'd say it would be up to the judge to opt out of voting regarding your selection if they recognize your work under your pen name and they feel they could not be impartial in their input. Nothing else should change and you should otherwise be entitled to the same consideration as anyone else regardless of judge's decision to vote or refrain. Good luck with whatever you enter either way. Take care. Vern
942 2016-04-12 12:19:37
Re: Strongest Start Competition 2016 (19 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
For the first time since being on the site, I won't be able to submit something. However, I am now a full-time caregiver for my husband, with no spare time to write. It feels weird not having a submission. Good luck to everyone! I look forward to reading, at least!
You could submit something you've already done even if posted before and didn't win; many of the best things are only discovered after they've been around the block a time or two and viewed by new eyes -- and judges. Wishing you the best in your new role. Take care. Vern
943 2016-04-10 03:01:11
Re: Strongest Start Competition 2016 (19 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
SolN wrote:Hi all,
After a pause in contests, we're excited to announce the 2016 Strongest Start Competition. We've assembled a unique set of prizes that provide the winner with the opportunity to improve their work, get in front of a publishers, and promote their book once it is published. As in the past, one of our goals with the competition is to provide members of the site with an incentive to improve their first three chapters.
To learn more, click the link below:
https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/contes … on+2016-14
Sol
Hi Sol. Loving the new format for TNBW. One question about the contest. You say submit the first 3 chapters. How many words would be the limit? Thanks in advance for answering me.
I don't believe there is a limit now other than the cost and reader aversion to the length. I just did a test with nearly 11,000 words and it was accepted. Only cost 33 plus points, so I declined, lol. Take care. Vern
Edited for PS: Just to clarify, that was 11,000 words for one chapter.
944 2016-04-10 02:48:52
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
flubber
945 2016-04-06 22:50:06
Re: Rhiannon's Age Change and YA (3 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)
I would say go ahead and make those millions if possible, then you can buy a truck load of soapboxes to stand on; until then the footing is more like standing on soap bubbles. Take care. Vern
946 2016-04-04 22:01:58
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Blue ox
947 2016-04-03 19:52:32
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
word eater
948 2016-04-03 16:16:19
Re: Strongest Start Competition 2016 (19 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Four days and counting; first one in wins, lol. Take care. Vern
949 2016-04-03 16:13:35
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
literary agent
950 2016-03-28 13:27:58
Re: My Easter Surprise (5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The way all good Easter-egg hunts should end. Congrats. Take care. Vern