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(5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Merry Christmas!

Gosh.  I just realized I'm writing a trilogy.  I've always wanted to write a trilogy, but never thought it would happen.  You're witnessing the birth of a trilogy.  It started with the re-booting of the original Rhiannon series, which like classic re-boots (Superman, Smallville, etc.  Superman was the first of this kind), rearranged and re-vamped familiar iconography from the original series  And it was funny how that happened.  I was writing the story from Jeb's perspective (poor guy needs a novel of his own, but haven't been successful yet.  Any ideas?), needed some backstory--200 pages later, I realized the backstory was the story.)  So "The Fairy Princess:  Cursed to Nakedness was born. It is now over 500 pages long, and in two parts.  The parts could be separate novels, but they are unified by the quest-plot. In this regard, I cite Suin's comments as helping me with an end.  My endings tend to suck--I guess I dont want the story to end.  But in asking me to go into Rhi's relationship with Branwen, I ended up going into her relationship with her father, with her reminescence about Branwen as an gangplank to that. Heveydd is now a major minor character, and not just an object of comic relief (original series) or pity (Re-boot).  A scene with her father made for a logical conclusion to CtN.  So thank you, Suin!  *Everyone* (too lazy to make italics) thought the story started in the middle--as is fine, as you are supposed to start stories in the middle.  I read one example in a "How to Write Good" book where a man wakes up to find his wife is a robot.  The instructor said, "fine, now write the backstory--that's the real story."  So you guys inspired me to write "The Fairy Princess and the Offworlder."  (The term offworlder is original with me; they now use it on Supergirl to describe the alien population as the Earth is the galaxy's refugee camp, but I can prove I was using it years before the series )  Again, a not so great ending, although the last scene dovetails with a scene in CtN--in fact, is the same scene from Rhiannon's POV.  And some of you have been wondering about the witch that cursed Rhiannon to nakedness  Some have even suggested it's Heather.  That has inspired a sequel, the first draft of which was put together yesterday.  Even though not posted, Suin's inspiration on Rhiannon & Branwen made me have to revise the whole ending, and in doing so, I realized I did a fine job of writing a mystery--for I had forgotten 'Whodunnit' and was surprised my self.  Although all the clues were there, the misdirection led me, the first reader of my own stuff, down a different avenue.  Although ready for review and posting, I won't do so until at least one of you has reached the end of CtN, as it would be a big spoiler to one of the subplots to read it.  Again, thanks for all your help.  A trilogy?  Wow.  And I owe it to you guys.  You're the best!

Gacela:  Isn't it great how responses to reviewers made you more self-aware as a writer?  I love that aspect of it.  In my case, I'm often not aware what the structure of the story is until half way through it.  In Vol. 2 of my story, I didn't realize it was a quest-plot until I thought about the reversals I tossed in, and what they were reversing.  In your story's case, I think the relationships are front-and-center, so you should explore all of them.  So I agree with Norm that there should be internal dialogue between Helga/Athens, and even if Helga is the m/c, not Athens, have Athens sacrifice herself for Helga.  This is consistent with it being Helga's story if there is a growing friendship between the two girls. (or female entities).  "At first, I only wanted you for your body, but now, I've grown to love you, as much as a demon can love.  Farewell, my mortal friend..."  See?  Made you cry.

J'ohn J'ones, or his secret identiy, Hank Crenshaw.

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Kdot wrote:

Not sure I follow. He doesn't seem to hate the Whovillians - only their devotion to Christmas. Or am I misreading the original intent?

in the same way Scrooge is not evil but perhaps misguided by his certain obsession.  Christianity is about redeemable "bad" people who can be turned to good that unfortunately discounts and rarely recognizes that there are people who are irredeemably evil -- even leaving open the possibility that Christ could have been turned by Satan in Gethsemane -- particularly in the context of mental disease in which evil over good is not chosen. One does not pray or plead a bipolar paranoid schizophrenic to goodness, nor is there any permanent turn to goodness of the drug addict who can start up again far more easily than he can quit. However, Christianity is closer to the truth for drug addicts than secular therapists who only weakly mention the harm and destruction caused to others by addiction and indeed other non-biologic obsessions. How does a secular therapist (psychologist) help OCD? It is rather a sort of aversion therapy and not an appeal to empathy and pointing out suffering of others caused by one's actions (evil).

In Christianity, there is the belief all people are irredemably evil.  This is the doctrine of original sin.  No matter what we do, we will sin.  Even if you don't actually murder someone, you might wish someone dead, which, spiritually, is the same thing for Jesus.  But everyone can be redeemed through supernatural intervention occasioned by accepting Jesus Chirst as Lord and Savior.  No exceptions, and some research indicates that addicts are helped by a strong religious faith.  The 12 steps of AA, and related programs, all have leaning on a supernatural power, or one greater than oneself, to overcome the addiction.  It's doubtful that Jesus could have turned in Gethseme, as when the soldiers came, he stood against the torture of Herod and Pilate.  You perhaps are thinking of his Temptation in the desert, where Satan offered him all the kingdoms of the Earth, and he refused.

I haven't read the story, but the classical movies about Scrooge have him in the existential situation Reinhold Neibuhr talks about when he analyzes original sin as an encounter with mortality and finitude.  The Ego is the source of sin, as it pits us against, well, everything, but it is necessary to take care of oneself.  The anxiety of finitude and mortality leads to sinful behavior (alienation from God and Man).  Scrooge suffered this, and needed to have the spiritual centeredness that resulted from a supernatural enounter.

As to the Grinch?  He didn't hate the Who's, just Christmas, and wanted to take it away from everyone.  But then, he too gets redeemed.

Merry Christmas, everyone.

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(6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Just as long as it doesn't beat under a floorboard, I'm good with it.  lol

Congratulations!

Suin wrote:

I loved that extra section - I had the feeling that the interactions between Rhiannon and her father really brought both of their characters to life, and the same with Queen Branwen. There was something so warm and and genuine in the dialogue, but I can't put my finger on it. Definitely keep this section in!

Suin:  Glad you liked the scene with Rhiannon and her father, where she meets Branwen.  It's actually inspired me to include more of Heveydd in the story.

John just did a very helpful review of my chapter, in "The Princess and the Offworlder" entitled "I Am Going Home."  He wanted more bird attack action.  This leads me to a request--I have battle scenes in "Cursed to Nakedness," as well.  Appreciate any help on them.  What needs to be done, strategically, or in terms of gore.  Thanks in advance.

No need to apologize; I kind of figured out it was a mistake in translation.  I lived in Puerto Rico, ordered some bottled water.  There was a knock on the door.   A man holding a water jug declared, "I am the man of the water."  (El hombre de la aqua.)  I knew he meant "water man."  The difference?  In English the first would signify some special relationship with water--like maybe he was Aquaman, who could easily have an epithet--the man of the water.  (Like Superman's "Man of Steel."  A steel man would probably be a steel worker, maybe an investor in the steel industry.)  Pronunciation can be fun too.  A colleague of mine, from Puerto Rico, worked in NYC.  He said, "Do not shit on the exams."  He was mispronouncing 'cheat.'  And my own case.  I put my clothes in a washer in the laundry room at my dormitory for faculty and graduate students (called 'hotel' in Espanol).  I was trying to tell him "The machine is broken."  ("La machina is roto.")  Instead, I said, "La machina es roho!  Es roho!"  He gave me the funniest look.  Probably thinking, "No, it is white."

Gacela:  I figure you didn't suggest it to me, as my current novels are not YA.  But I've written one short story in the YA genre, have made the timeline and Rhiannon's age in the first novel such that there is room for YA prequels, and the short story, starring her daughter and friend, make for sequels in the YA genre.  And one editor thought one story I submitted for a contest (didn't win) showed that I'd be a great YA writer. Did you mean by 'i can't imagine how interesting a YA story about Rhiannon might be,' that, 'I can't imagine just how interesting a YA story about Rhiannon might be.'  The 'just' put in means that you think they would be really interesting; without it, you mean that they would be uninteresting.  (Isn't English great?)  (I took it to mean the latter.)

Gacela:  I've been told that I'm a great YA author, and have deliberately structured my stories so that there can be YA stories about Rhiannon.  Don't remember whether I published it, but I have one story about Rhiannon's daughter and friend (whose name will have to be changed, unless I change her backstory, as there is a new character called Mellengell, so it could be a little confusing).  No date for resuming this, as the four Rhiannon novels are far from done, except perhaps for the main one.  But keep me in mind.  smile

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(7 replies, posted in Close friends)

Norm:  Thanks for the compliment.  And you are right--books on how to write have limited value.  The people on TNBW are as good as any professional editor, and many publishers will take the manuscript as vetted, if its first posted on a website like this.  I sympathize with being an eccentric writer.  My material is hard to find a publisher for--but my short stories did (until they didn't find them fresh anymore.  They were right.  Took five years to reconceive them, but I think my novels are fresh now.)  It's also helpful to know what the readers who do like my stuff would like more of (like more instrospection), or catch me when Rhiannon goes out of character (Stephen King said that unless you write everyday, this happens.  And not making a living at writing (yet), this does happen to me. 

I don't see you as being kicked off the site; you've done nothing offensive, you are an asset, and it sounds like you might have a publisher lined up.  So I'm sure that it's a glitch that you can't resubscribe.  Talk to Sol, check the credit card on file (I have the same problem with Microsoft Word--they keep on telling me to update my account with them, which I do, until they end up getting the money due--one dollar at a time, due to their repeated attempts to resubscribe me.)

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Tobias, 20 Master Plots was helpful.  For non-fiction, Jacques Barzun, "Simple and Direct."  Some articles in Writer's Digest.  Mostly, I find emulating writers you admire is the most helpful.

Adde a section in the chapter "Queen Branwen," inspired by Suin's review.  It shows how R & B first met, a little about their relationship, and shows R's relationship with her father.  We see more of his pre-madness state.  No points, as it is officially a re-edit, but if you have already read the chapter, would appreciate a re-read; if you haven't yet, I'd appreciate comments on that flashback section (set off by "***").  Thanks in advance.

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(12 replies, posted in Literary Fiction)

Charles_F_Bell wrote:

You took what I said out of context. I said amateur writers cannot accomplish the feat at all - they either put dialogue tags at every exchange or leave them off in such a way to make it impossible to discern who said what.  I also think there are some professional (and published TNBW) writers who are too keen to omit tags for too long - especially, as I noted, when there is no marked differences between the manner of speech between characters.  I've never read anything by Sayers because I don't like old-style mysteries (before TV, basically) other than Sherlock Holmes, but she was also a playwright and therefore -- and British authors generally are best at this -- probably marked different speech patterns among the characters.

It takes skill to write anything, and if you can write, you can use all sorts of techniques, or strategems, that bad writers need to steer clear of.  Of course, that raises the issue of what counts as bad writing.  Edgar Rice Burroughs was inspired by reading the writers of his day--he thought he could write at least as bad as they could.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Moreover, too often neglected by amateur authors is a bit of action interspersed with the dialogue and sometimes through dialogue tags


Just read some Dorothy Sayers where there was a whole page of dialogue, no tags, no 'bit of action interspersed.'  I think most of us would be happy to be as amateurish as she was.

Trundle bed

Gacela:  In the revised chapter, I do explain that Zusanna is marking her territory. This would probably be clear, but as there is an overlap (only) between horror and fantasy, it's hard to tell.  Anyway, it allowed me to voice your concern that Rhiannon was acting like a puppet to her lovers through Zusanna's voice, as Rhiannon suggests a quite literal pissing contest.  It' not mentioned what bodily function Zusanna does outside the castle walls. 

Ioseff now does say he has a strong point, and Heather's inclusion in the Council hints at her dark agenda.  There's an Eisenhowerian moment where Lido suggests a vote, Heather counts it.  Zusanna and Ioseff against Rosalyn's inclusion; Lido for it.  Heather, oddly, doesn't vote.  So the vote is 2 nays; 1 aye--Rhiannon wryly announces the 'ayes' have it--as she is one of the ayes.  Exactly what Eisenhower did when his entire cabinet was against a proposed course of action, but he favored it. 

All in all, there's more tension and subtlety because of your comments, even if I didn't go entirely with what you suggested.

I thought I'd share my responses to Gacela's latest review of my work:

Gacela:  Thanks for your review.  I found parts of it very useful.  The bit about missing body language was much appreciated.  This is both part of the genre and a send-up of it.  Think Young Frankenstein, although for the fantasy, not the horror genre. You have both the classic horror movie and a satire on it.  Like Gene Hackman's blind hermit scene.  Other possible comparisons could be with Fritz Laumer's Retief series, which was a parody of the French diplomatic corps, which he served in. 

You may be right about Zusanna.  I think Norm also questioned that.  I hadn't realized how the peeing scene, at least to those who don't know wolves, would lesson her creepiness. 

The sub-theme of Rosalyn and Heather's almost comical competition for Rhiannon is going to stay.  There are similar comic relief moments in literature--but I might make the levels a little more traditional in character (such as the fool in Lear). 

Indeed, Heather's presence was a bit, shall we say, extraordinary.  I think I make a reference to that--Ioseff wants new wife included, and in such a way as to make it seem extraordinary.  Rosalyn and Rhiannon go way back.  I'll include some more of Rhiannon's reasoning here, but she stays.  I forget which reviewer wasn't sure if there was anyone Rhiannon could trust, ,except Lido, and Rhiannon is aware of that problem--she is picking those who she thinks she can trust, more than competence at particular areas.  Although written way before recent events in the US, this is how Trump seems to be picking his cabinet (And that was a coup of sorts.) 

Anyway, thanks for your candid remarks, it has helped me rethink some things, and you can be sure, now that I'm aware of the "two Rhiannon's," I'll use that contrast in the future--always stressing the "take charge" side.

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(8 replies, posted in Close friends)

By the way, WIP only has to be when you're posting about someone's novel, Norm.  Just so you know. lol

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I'm not sure how to advise you as to how to make the first chapter more dramatic.  There's always the bloody or naked event that captures the reader's eye, then "Fifteen days earlier..." approach, if worse comes to worst.  I'd look at best-selling teenage novels, their introductions, and then modify yours to fit.  Don't change the essence, just give it a new pair of jeans.  Sometimes, just a line or two could do.  "After destroying the gym, Buffy's mother decided that they should move from Los Angeles to Sunnydale."  That would do it. lol  But that series had a hook in the title as well.  Made you want to endure the first episodes, or the movie, just to find out how the hook played out.  "Buffy" is a name given by effete, upper-middle-class couples and connotes a superficial, condescending bitch, not a vampire slayer, who would be named Brunhilde,Brandamante, Vanna Helsing or something.  A title hook is perhaps more important than a first chapter hook.  I'm struggling with mine.  Temporarily settled on "The Fairy Princess and the Offworlder," or "The Fairy Princess:  Cursed to Nakedness."  'fairy,' 'fairy princess,' 'offworlder,' all get good results on Amazon for the type of readers I want Of course 'nakedness' will too. 

I should talk, but maybe considering changing your title?  "Being Fifteen" isn't as magnetic as "Naked at Fifteen," "Guilty at Fifteen," "Meeting Godzilla at Fifteen."  Heck, even "Condescending at Fifteen," which might fit the best. 

Always take what you want from my comments. 

The one I'm having my students read now, Roald Dahl's, "James and the Giant Peach" starts with his parents being eaten by a rhinoceros that's escaped from the London Zoo.  Then the author proceeds to tell the story from beginning to end.  You might have some ominous event mentioned in her diary.  "After the Giant Rat of Sumatra escaped Styles, I know we just had to leave..."  "My father wasn't the alphabet killer, but his writing made people think he was..."  "Other men have addictions to cocaine, alcohol, women--my father's was tractor pulls and demolition derbies..."

I know it's only a holiday in America, but we celebrate it, and it's always good to say thanks, to feast, to drink wine, to pause and reflect on the blessings in your life.  So happy Blessings Reflection!

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(13 replies, posted in Close friends)

Everyone should give thanks, and a lot of countries do have Thanksgiving, although it is too late for some of them (like Canada).  Happy Thanksgiving, back!

jhayward wrote:

Hi all! I'm Jessi, mom of two and writer of MG fantasy/adventure. I've just posted my first chapter of the book I've been working on for the last two years and I'd love some quality feedback--even the negative, I can take it! I'd love to return the favor by reviewing your work also. Thanks!

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Welcome to the workshop!  You'll get more feedback in the Premium group.  Look forward to reading your stuff.  R.