It's a possibility, John. I do like reader's feedback, so I can include "What, no dancing girls?" scenes. This one might slow down the action too much, though. Asimov didn't explain it, and in Star Trek: the TNG, they didn't explain why the Old West became the Ancient West--they just assumed the viewer would figure it out.
526 2017-02-17 16:58:47
Re: The Middle Ages in the Rhiannon Series (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
527 2017-02-16 16:38:09
Re: The Middle Ages in the Rhiannon Series (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
Excellent questions, John. The Middles Ages was a term invented in the 17th century to describe the period from the Fall of Rome to the Age of Discovery. Asimov was using it to describe a period between the ancient world (undefined) and the period in which the Earth ceased to be the only planet inhabited by humans. My guess is from the dropping of the atomic bomb (seminal for a lot of '50's SF writers) to the first independent space colony (sometime in the next 6,000 years.) I'm using it from the (second) Industrial Revolution (1840's) to the World State, with its artificial intelligence, global government and economy, warp drive and space colonies. We are developing AI, have international law that affects the use of your refrigerators, sanctions for rogue nations,and a global economy, with interlocking nation states and treaties governing it. The US has plans for a Martian colony; the Chinese for a lunar one. Despite Brixet and Trump, I think this will continue. We have warp drive but at the micro-cosmic level. Right now, if present trends continue in nano-technology, the first deep space explorers will probably be robots too small for the naked eye to see. The World State of my stories is not far off.
Lincoln would definitely be Middle Ages. Would Skakespeare be Dark Ages? Perhaps. I can see historians thinking anything pre-steampunk being the Dark Ages. Or maybe The First Middle Ages, like the First Industrial Revolution. Some might reject the distinction altogether--depending on how free the universities are under Unification. (Most historians reject the term 'Dark Ages' now.) The fairies claim Shakespeare as one of their own, so from their perspective, the 15th century is in late Arthurian times. In fact, the portal is still on Earth (around the Mounds of Sidhu) and some people can still escape to freedom from the witch burnings and persecutions, if they are lucky enough to remember that the portal exists and how to get to it.
By the time of the story, there is warp drive for meso-cosmic ships, although I describe them as cramped, like submarines. There are freighters, described as being like the starships in Independence Day, (They tend to suck whole water tables into their storage tanks) but they use EM Drive, and depend on the wormhole/portal to get to Dareau and back. Far too big for a warp bubble, as of yet. But the discovery of unlimited firestones and dark energy might change all of that. ("We could colonize the galaxy, my boy! Think of it."--paraphrased from the General) The portal has been thrown by Myrddin between the orbits of Jupiter and Mars for safe keeping--he not being aware that the humans will someday be able to get to the orbit between Jupiter and Mars. (He probably thought they'd destroy each other if they developed that capacity. Fermi's Paradox as applied to humans.)
Thanks for stimulating my thoughts on this.
Hugs, Rhia
528 2017-02-14 19:43:54
Topic: The Middle Ages in the Rhiannon Series (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
Asimov, in "The Caves of Steel" referred to the twentieth century as the middle ages. A Medievalist was someone who longed for when Earth was the only inhabited planet. That inspired my use of 'medieval' in the Rhiannon books. Today, I decided to look up when the term "middles ages" was first used. In was in 1604, and referred to the period from the Fall of Rome (AD 476) to the Renaissance and "The Age of Discovery"--the 15th century So our (that is yours and mine's) contemporary 21st century times would be medieval, which means that the Rhiannon stories takes place in the 22nd. century. It could be later, but the technology of the Terrans is not that much for advanced that ours, with warp drive and buildings that can assemble themselves from raw materials right around the corner.
So for the Terrans, "The Middle Ages" go from the Fall of Rome to Unification and the emregence of the World State (which is also right around the corner, even with Trump yelling and screaming about it) The Late Middle Ages would be the period from the 19th century (The Industrial Revolution) to whenever that happens.
Just thought I'd share this. lol
Love, Rhia
529 2017-02-11 17:51:48
Re: WIP The Radio Revolution by Sheriff Norm (14 replies, posted in Close friends)
Norm: I appreciate your concern about setting interfering with the plot. As a fantasy writer, I have to have a lot of setting description, and the way I make sure it doesn't interfere with plot is by having it emerge out of the action. Like the forest in Rhiannon's sensory sight when she runs to it, the description of the chase and the disaster she wrought with her magic. It's different, of course, with a real world setting, but I advised Wordsmith, who used to be a member of tNBW, when she was trying to denature her stories set in Jamaica that people, especially those who can't afford to travel to Jamaica, would want to be immersed in that setting while they read. It's a matter of style, and in our world of every person having her own printing press (the Internet), its all in who you want to share your adventure and world. The publishing conglomerate that controls best sellers is doing to mainstream books what you describe the radio conglomerate as doing. We can ignore them, but I wanted to follow their rule in the opening-- adrenalin pumping action. She rests, and we get the more gentle introduction. When there is a pause in her life or death struggle, we can calmly see the plesiosaur playfully splashing in the moat There it was like a postcard.
You can toss in brief description with action. As Danny walks to his car, he passes a famous landmark, that sort of thing. But as long as we enjoy and appreciate each other's style, that's the important thing for writing buddies.
I also am like Harlan Ellison who never read a book of his again after he published. YOu can alway have the response--"I can't believe I did that," and as a publisher of mind says: "Ars longa, vita breva," which literally means, "Life is short, art is long," but he translates to "Proofreading never ends."
Hugs, Rhea.
530 2017-02-09 18:04:19
Re: The Kurdish Connection - Two Great Reviews! (17 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congratulations, Randy. You're an inspiration. Hugs.
531 2017-02-08 19:06:18
Re: Amazon cracking down on best-seller listing (10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
'Best seller,' the way the New York Times uses it means (a) at least 100,000 sold (b) politically correct or at least not incorrect. (b) trumps (a), as the only book that met their stated criterion--(a)--which wasn't included on their list was The Turner Diaries. (I, of course, had to read that because of that attempt at censorship. My advice--don't.)
532 2017-02-08 19:02:22
Re: NOTICE: TITLE CHANGES (ONE MORE TIME) (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
Norm: Thanks for the input. I thought about 'Wives' although it showcases only one. But that can be fixed by giving the other enough of a role. Right, nakedness is the handicap that the hero gets stuck with--like Supergirl having to fight on a planet with a red sun. And 'sword' can also refer to power, so although she gets Eligor at Ch. 20, she starts developing her inner sword at the very first. I didn't want the title to be a reference to the actual conquest, as I want the reader to figure what that is for him or herself before the final reveal by Rhiannon on the last page of the book. So far, you have come close, which is all I'll say. It should be one of those face palm moments when it's finally revealed, although for reviewers, I give a preliminary sketch of much of the deep structure at the beginning of Part Ii in the 'feedback' section.
533 2017-02-03 23:04:57
Re: NOTICE: TITLE CHANGES (ONE MORE TIME) (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
I've tentatively named the books in the epic of Rhiannon so far: "The Loves of Rhiannon." "The Sword of Rhiannon." "The Wife of Rhiannon." "The Justice of Rhiannon." "The Reality of Rhiannon." All but the last are in rough draft form, but as the earlier books change, so do the later books--and vice-versa.
534 2017-02-03 23:03:35
Re: TITLE CHANGES (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I've tentatively named the books in the epic of Rhiannon so far: "The Loves of Rhiannon." "The Sword of Rhiannon." "The Wife of Rhiannon." "The Justice of Rhiannon." "The Reality of Rhiannon." All but the last are in rough draft form, but as the earlier books change, so do the later books--and vice-versa.
535 2017-02-03 22:45:05
Re: TITLE CHANGES (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thanks CJ. Now I just have to keep the symmetry up for book 3, 4, and 5. lol
536 2017-02-03 22:15:07
Topic: TITLE CHANGES (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The Fairy Princess: Cursed to Nakedness is now "The Sword of Rhiannon." The Fairy Princess and the Offworlder is now "The Loves of Rhiannon."
I'll get it right eventually. lol
Love, Rhia
537 2017-02-03 22:12:16
Topic: NOTICE: TITLE CHANGES (ONE MORE TIME) (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
The Fairy Princess: Cursed to Nakedness is now "The Sword of Rhiannon." The Fairy Princess and the Offworlder is now "The Loves of Rhiannon."
I'll get it right eventually. lol
Love, Rhia
538 2017-02-03 17:43:28
Re: WIP Where Heaven and Hell Meet by Mariana (63 replies, posted in Close friends)
I don't think I've read this chapter, but I agree that sometimes you have to devote one to a character, with little impact on the plot. The way a lot of writers handle this is to have some token interaction with the plot. Maybe have him think about Helga, have a fantasy, or something. Just an idea from someone who has no idea what she's talking about.
539 2017-02-03 17:39:02
Re: WIP The Princess & the Offworlder (5 replies, posted in Close friends)
John: Portfolio is still full, but I've been concentrating on reviews, building up points, and the 5th book in the series. Not to mention earning a living, taking care of my spouse. Never fear, Trump has assured me that he will only call me up in case of alien invasion.
540 2017-02-03 17:33:45
Re: WIP The Best Laid Plans by Suin (17 replies, posted in Close friends)
Hi Suin: You now have Hugh kidnap Sarah, and are wondering how she escapes? Have Jack contact his friend in Black OPs, organize a raid. They find her, but by the time they get there, Sarah has already organized a rebellion among the victims of the human traffickers. But as Sarah's friend, the computer whiz, (which you will just have to go back and introduce), makes sure that the team can get back home, Sarah's sister throws a light grenade that simulates the radiation of a yellow sun, thus restoring Sarah's powers in the nick. No wait, that was the plot of the last Supergirl episode I watched. Nevermind.
541 2017-01-27 07:24:43
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (2 replies, posted in Close friends)
Hi Norm. Interesting perspective, as usual. A shadow plot is one written from an alternative POV--usually where there is an antagonist. A typical example would be a detective story which, when published, is written from the detective's POV. The shadow plot would be the same story, written from the murderer's POV--and the intersection in POV's would be what would be presented in the final work. I did some shadow plotting in CtN, to be clear as to what Jeb Hardwick was up to--what's presented to the reader was what Rhiannon knew--and it seems to have worked, as several readers think he might be coming back with an army. What he's really up to--and I'm not saying as that might spoil things--is written separately. A shadow plot needn't have as many details as an actual plot, you don't have to go into descriptions of settings, unless they're important to the shadow plot (where the villain hid the murder weapon, for instance).
542 2017-01-24 21:11:20
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I would suggest that if the character is there all along but doesn't become significant until near the end, then you might bring her into the story through some foreshadowing or even brief appearances if warranted by the occasion, but if she doesn't really do anything or is not part of any scene per se until her late arrival, then that would be the place to introduce her. Develop no character before her time so to speak. Just my opinion. Take care. Vern
When it comes to this character, until there is a chapter where she plays a major role, that is all that is happening in regard to her--foreshadowing and brief appearances. There are scenes that, after she is introduced, are altered in one's perception of them. The true development of her character is in a later book in the series, and the way I'm envisaging it now, we will only know her in this book by a false name she gives herself. Why I spoke of 'shadow plotting,' is she does quite a bit of off scene stuff, but until the first chapter where she "stars," so to speak (as viewed by a m/c's POV who has played a major role), it is only in brief cameos. Puzzles for the reader. That sort of thing. Right now, I'm leaning toward taking the new chapters, making them into a revised, and elongated, set of chapters at the end that will create the puzzle that will then come back in the 2nd book.
That decision alone makes me glad I asked this question.
543 2017-01-24 17:35:08
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Yeah, suspense and mystery is part of my consideration for having the 3rd character at the end of the story. There were odd occurrences that made the characters stop and wonder, and the reader too. Might end that too soon. Right before the final chapter, it creates, presently, an 'ohhhh.' as well as "Who the heck is she?" I might lose that if it's put through the story.
544 2017-01-24 06:00:32
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Gacela: That's a very definite concern. I read a James Patterson book. He used multiple 1st person POV's. Each Chapter from a different character's point of view. And each character was identical.
545 2017-01-23 21:32:49
Topic: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
In my first book, the love story, I alternate between Jeb Hardwick's and Rhiannon's POV, but there is a 3rd character who originally I just hinted at. As it currently stands, I don't go into her until 3 chapters before the end of the book. John Hamler made a suggestion to interweave her into the story, and I have an alternative plotting where I do that. I'm still not sure, though.
IN CtN, I heavly shadow plotted Jeb Hardwick, and had his intersections with the plot observed by Rhiannon. Should I stick with that, or bring in the shadow plot? Here, I'm inclined to keep his story as a shadow plot, as the book is totally from Rhiannon's POV.
Any ideas about these weighty subjects?
546 2017-01-23 21:31:24
Topic: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (2 replies, posted in Close friends)
In my first book, the love story, I alternate between Jeb Hardwick's and Rhiannon's POV, but there is a 3rd character who originally I just hinted at. As it currently stands, I don't go into her until 3 chapters before the end of the book. John Hamler made a suggestion to interweave her into the story, and I have an alternative plotting where I do that. I'm still not sure, though.
IN CtN, I heavly shadow plotted Jeb Hardwick, and had his intersections with the plot observed by Rhiannon. Should I stick with that, or bring in the shadow plot? Here, I'm inclined to keep his story as a shadow plot, as the book is totally from Rhiannon's POV.
Any ideas about these weighty subjects?
547 2017-01-23 21:13:13
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
goolgeplex
548 2017-01-23 19:19:10
Re: New Writing Contest (107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I think the more challenging the better. As one of the people who suggested the criteria (at least the locked room mystery part), I don't have an ace up my sleeve. I'm hoping to have something other than a clinker by the deadline. Challenges are good...
549 2017-01-21 16:51:47
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Native Americans wronged
The "Native Americans" originated in Asia. Everyone born here is a native American. Oh, wait. Your statements are still true. Never mind. (lol)
550 2017-01-21 16:49:48
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Snow job