Thanks, Will. I'll see if I can figure out where else to use the fog before its encounter with Connor (and the prayer to St. Michael). I added the figure/fog after Kdot pointed out that in three scenes there was yet to be any danger to the MCs. I plan to include a discussion with Cardinal Gallo about the scene 1.1 in scene 2.1. Not sure how many more times I can use fog (for now) before the attacks against Connor turn physical.
1,676 2019-01-14 18:59:16
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
1,677 2019-01-13 23:49:39
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Following are the changes to the two scenes so far related to increasing the threat to the MCs, as suggested by Kdot.
Scene 1.1:
As Romano turned the final corner, a shadowy figure shrouded by swirling fog came out of his office and hastened for the exit.”
“You there. Stop!” Romano ran down the hallway to catch the intruder, but whoever it was, had disappeared. The only thing that remained was fog and ice-cold air, both of which dissipated quickly. Romano’s heart pounded. He knelt and prayed for protection of the orphanage.
Romano rose and entered his office to see what the intruder might have taken. Everything looked as he had left it except that the Perpetual Adoration schedule was missing — the one that showed which boys were assigned to the chapel and at what times. Romano dialed 113 for the Polizia di Stato. He wouldn’t mention the fog and cold air, but one or more of the boys might be at risk.
Scene 2.1:
Connor sat alone at the front of the chapel, staring at the monstrance. On one side of the room hung a locked exterior-facing door. Fog crept in under the door and moved in Connor’s direction.
Romano cried, “Connor, behind you! Run!”
Connor jumped up, wide-eyed, and saw the fog. He hesitated for a moment, then set his jaw and glared at it. He knelt, crossed himself, and prayed. “Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into Hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.”
The fog retreated back under the door. Connor rose.
Will just read 2.1 today and felt there wasn't enough setup for the threat. I don't think he saw the added material above in scene 1.1 since I didn't republish. I just inserted the new material into the already published chapters.
I should add that I forgot to include the initial threat of scene 1.1 in the discussion between Romano and Cardinal Gallo, the Secretary of State in scene 2.1. I'll fix that.
Anyone have any thoughts about whether the above material works in the chapters you've read?
Thanks
Dirk
1,678 2019-01-12 17:49:22
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Thanks. I'll try my approach and see if it works. It may be a while before the next prayer, though, which is probably a good thing.
1,679 2019-01-12 07:39:45
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I have a question about how to handle characters in my book crossing themselves. Until now (three scenes), if a character was going to pray, I was always explicit that they crossed themselves. However, I think that's going to get tedious over the course of the books. I'm considering slowly shifting away from saying it and just leaving it implicit that it's part of praying. I think the best way to handle it is to base it on whether I'm writing a detailed prayer scene vs. a simple summary that someone prayed. In the former case, I would be explicit that they crossed themselves, then have them voice (or think) the actual words of the prayer. In the latter, I treat it as a given that it's part of praying, without bothering with the details.
I plan something similar with kneeling. If a character kneels to pray, I'll always state it, since kneeling is a more profound form of reverence. If they don't kneel, I won't mention it, unless it were relevant to the scene.
Thoughts?
Dirk
1,680 2019-01-11 20:54:21
Re: (Plan8 Slaves) - Rayner Jamie Ye (34 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
"Crystal Singer" by Anne McCaffrey. It's the most plausible premise I've ever seen that a highly futuristic society would use human labour for excavation.
You could potentially lift from it. Norm too, because he has a digging chapter.
I switched to front loaders after you showed me an image of that monstrous digging machine. I justified front loaders based on the idea that many different spaceships with different size/shape cargo holds are involved in shipping soil off Earth, so the transfer needs front loaders and floating canvas utility carts that can be guided into cargo holds.
1,681 2019-01-11 17:28:17
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
And the winner is:
Romano’s heart pounded. He knelt and prayed for protection of the orphanage.
I decided the partial quote didn't work/was too clunky.
1,682 2019-01-11 03:44:00
Re: 2,000 Years Later - Will H. (38 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
One thing you might try is browsing through Amazon's book covers for similar genre. Imitate whatever you think will result in the most clicks on our site.
Cool title by the way. If you want a laugh, have a look at the number of posts in my LOTE thread about possible titles. OCD on steroids. Kdot writes whole books in the time it takes me to pick a name.
1,683 2019-01-11 03:19:31
Re: 2,000 Years Later - Will H. (38 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
It was better than your first one, but if you're willing to bend trademark rules, George's ship or a picture of the Tardis will get you more reads. Because the images on this site are so small, I don't know what's on your cover other than a (your?) face. The stuff to the left is too blurry. Maybe have the face looking at a futuristic ship launching. My working cover for Galaxy Tales evolved over time and yours probably will too. Word to the wise: I have OCD and sweat the small shit. Doesn't mean you need to.
1,684 2019-01-11 02:42:05
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Dirk B. wrote:Here's what I ended up with. A bit of a mix of everyone's advice. A full quote of Psalm 140 would put even Catholics to sleep, so I kept just the first few verses to remind a Catholic/Christian reader. I suspect I'll lose most non-Christian readers with the free chapter on Kindle (three prayers in the first scene). Obviously, the first draft is Catholic-heavy. I may scale it back eventually.
Romano’s heart pounded and he trembled. He knelt and prayed one of King David’s psalms for protection of the orphanage. “Deliver us, O Lord, from evildoers; protect us from those who are violent, who plan evil things…” The psalm’s lengthy verses calmed Romano. He finished with, “Amen.”
My thanks to everyone for their input. Any further suggestions are welcome.
Deliver me, O Lord, from evildoers;
protect me from those who are violent,
2 who plan evil things in their minds
and stir up wars continually.
3 They make their tongue sharp as a snake’s,
and under their lips is the venom of vipers.... yeah calming. All this fuss, and you could have just had the priest say: "God help us, please." Stripping the content and context should send you straight to hell.
I condensed (stripped) content for the reasons already given. I disagree that I stripped the context. People pray psalms all the time even though they're not David on the run from Saul. Technically, I actually "adapted" the psalm, which your Bible quote shows. Specifically, I changed "me" to "us", so I'm leaning toward saying adapted rather than prayed the psalm, even though it's a technical detail, IMO.
Your attention to detail is impressive.
Dirk
1,685 2019-01-11 01:40:31
Re: 2,000 Years Later - Will H. (38 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Since this is a private site and a draft copy, it might be acceptable to use a picture of George Jetson in his spaceship as the working cover. It would instantly make me curious to start reading.
1,686 2019-01-11 01:24:15
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Here's what I ended up with. A bit of a mix of everyone's advice. A full quote of Psalm 140 would put even Catholics to sleep, so I kept just the first few verses to remind a Catholic/Christian reader. I suspect I'll lose most non-Christian readers with the free chapter on Kindle (three prayers in the first scene). Obviously, the first draft is Catholic-heavy. I may scale it back eventually.
Romano’s heart pounded and he trembled. He knelt and prayed one of King David’s psalms for protection of the orphanage. “Deliver us, O Lord, from evildoers; protect us from those who are violent, who plan evil things…” The psalm’s lengthy verses calmed Romano. He finished with, “Amen.”
My thanks to everyone for their input. Any further suggestions are welcome.
1,687 2019-01-11 00:17:25
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You asked, so I assume you want the unvarnished truth that is me ...
:-)
1,688 2019-01-10 20:26:26
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Will/Temple, which of the three choices above do you prefer?
Thanks
Dirk
1,689 2019-01-10 15:18:22
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Or this:
Romano’s heart pounded and he trembled. He kneeled, crossed himself, and prayed King David’s Psalm 140 for protection of the orphanage from evil. The psalm calmed him.
1,690 2019-01-10 15:17:12
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Or this:
Romano’s heart pounded and he trembled. He kneeled, crossed himself, and prayed King David’s Psalm 140, beginning with, “Deliver us, O Lord, from evildoers; protect us from those who are violent, who plan evil things in their minds and stir up wars continually,” and ending with, “Surely the righteous shall give thanks to your name; the upright shall live in your presence. Amen.”
1,691 2019-01-10 14:48:30
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
How about this?
Romano’s heart pounded and he trembled. He kneeled, crossed himself, and prayed one of King David’s psalms. “Deliver us, O Lord, from evildoers; protect us from those who are violent, who plan evil things in their minds and stir up wars continually.” The psalm contained a full thirteen verses, but it calmed Romano as he continued to pray. “O Lord, my Lord, my strong deliverer, you have covered my head in the day of battle. Do not grant, O Lord, the desires of the wicked; do not further their evil plot.” Romano sighed deeply as he spoke the final verses. “I know that the Lord maintains the cause of the needy, and executes justice for the poor. Surely the righteous shall give thanks to your name; the upright shall live in your presence. Amen.”
The only change I made is to convert references of me to us, since he's praying to protect the whole orphanage, and I cherry-picked parts of the psalm.
1,692 2019-01-10 11:33:24
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Dirk. B. wrote:On a related note, someone in the forums pointed out that most (all?) modern Bibles are copyrighted and some charge royalties. Some book publishers shy away from certain Bibles for just that reason. I may have to write a few letters to Bible publishers before settling on a final version. One of them (can't remember which) allows limited quoting (e.g. 500 short quotes). My preferred source of Bible quotes is the New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition. Say that three times really quickly.
How about quoting directly from King James bible? That one shouldn't be copyrighted, should it?
Kiss
Gacela
Thanks, Gacela, but the King James Bible is a Protestant Bible. A heavily Catholic novel needs Catholic Bible quotes.
Fortunately, I got a few suggestions above to experiment with before this thread went of the rails (as always). Small wonder no one uses the forums anymore.
1,693 2019-01-10 02:21:10
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Will, people work Bible quotes into their novels all the time, although mostly as simple phrases (e.g. turn the other cheek) without including the whole quote. Nevertheless, that's a great question for my Catholic forum. My second prayer borrows from Jesus's prayer to the Father before his arrest in Gethsemane.
On a related note, someone in the forums pointed out that most (all?) modern Bibles are copyrighted and some charge royalties. Some book publishers shy away from certain Bibles for just that reason. I may have to write a few letters to Bible publishers before settling on a final version. One of them (can't remember which) allows limited quoting (e.g. 500 short quotes). My preferred source of Bible quotes is the New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition. Say that three times really quickly.
1,694 2019-01-09 21:28:49
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thanks, Vern. That's probably my best shot. I'll have to see how it reads once written.
1,695 2019-01-09 19:17:51
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Unfortunately, life intrudes. My mother is in the hospital and needs to go in a care home, so I'm scrambling to find something suitable before they dump her in the first available one. Calgary is a sprawling city, so it could take up to an hour each way if they put her too far away. Also, my car got hit, so I have to deal with that too.
I'm still tweaking the first three scenes since I don't have enough free time to focus on new stuff. Back to semi-normal in a few weeks.
Thanks for hanging in there.
Dirk
1,696 2019-01-09 10:40:06
Re: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Correction. Psalm 140 - Prayer for Deliverance from Enemies.
1,697 2019-01-09 04:09:31
Topic: How best to handle large Bible quotes? - Writing Craft (36 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
My current WIP is a Catholic-oriented tale of the Apocalypse. Since it's mainly targeted at Catholics, and to a lesser extent other Christians, I'm not particularly afraid of using Biblical references, including prayers. I currently have two prayers in scene one, and I'm thinking of adding a third. The one I have in mind is psalm 120, but it goes on and on. Since three prayers in one scene is a lot (confirmed by one of my reviewers), I had thought to just mention that Father Romano prays the psalm for protection and then be done with it. However, I've since decided I don't like skipping prayers that I mention explicitly such as the psalm. I'd like to include the actual prayer, but cherry pick what the priest says. He essentially speaks a "new" prayer by incorporating the most relevant parts of the psalm. Once whittled down, each prayer will be only a few sentences (at most a paragraph), which doesn't seem excessive for a Christian novel.
Thoughts?
Thanks
Dirk
1,698 2019-01-09 02:10:04
Re: Cataract Surgery (28 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Good luck, Bill.
1,699 2019-01-08 16:55:59
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I took out the above prayer from scene one and made it a prayer spoken by Connor in scene three, when the fog first tries to approach him from under an exterior door in the chapel. In scene one, Romano uses Psalm 140, but without a direct quote since it's too long:
Romano kneeled, crossed himself, and prayed using King David’s Psalm 140, seeking protection for the orphanage from evil.
Kdot, thanks for your suggestions.
1,700 2019-01-04 03:45:08
Re: Savior of the Damned (the Connor series) by Dirk B. (1,472 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
One more try. Please let me know if this third prayer is too much for the scene. We already have Romano's prayer about himself and Connor's prayer for Alessandro. It's kind of a cool prayer, which is why I'm thinking of including it.
As Romano turned the final corner, a shadowy figure surrounded by swirling fog came out of his office and hastened for the exit.”
“You there. Stop!” Romano ran down the hallway to catch the intruder, but whoever it was had disappeared. The only thing that remained was fog and ice-cold air, both of which dissipated slowly. Romano’s heart pounded.He kneeled and crossed himself. “Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, I humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.”
Romano rose and entered his office to see what the intruder might have been after. Everything looked as he had left it except that the perpetual adoration schedule was missing — the one that showed which boys were assigned to be in the chapel and at what times. Romano dialed 113 for the Polizia di Stato. He wouldn’t mention the fog and cold air, but one or more of the boys might be at risk.