Several thoughts:
- Connor has received the sacrament many times without having ever confessed he was part of a huge conspiracy; if I could make him sick every time he took the sacrament, I would, but that would give away the surprise at the end of book one, so I have to explain it (two options noted below)
- by the time Connor fights his father at the basilica, he will have already confessed everything to a priest, although he hasn't celebrated Mass yet, but that might not be a bad idea; I might then have Connor take the sacrament away from St. Peter's for safekeeping since his father is sure to want it destroyed
- just as Satan was not inherently evil from the moment of his creation, neither is Connor; he has his mother's DNA, De Rosa-the-zombie's DNA, with changes to the zombie's sperm to give Connor his supernatural powers; the only thing Connor got from Satan was his powers, no predisposition to evil and certainly no demonic spirit; Satan has been trying to corrupt Connor since he was born, and for book 1 and half of book 2, it appears Satan may yet succeed; however, given that Satan manipulated the zombie sperm, I generally refer to Connor as part demon, albeit with almost 100% human DNA and a human soul
- it's Connor's maternal grandfather who reminds him that, as long as he hasn't blasphemed the Holy Spirit, all else can be forgiven, but he has to make a real confession and atone for his sins; he'll receive instructions from the Holy Spirit on how to do the latter; he's told to proceed with the rescue mission for which he returned to Earth, but he's increasingly terrified of the cost to him personally
- I suppose somewhere in the last chapter of book one, the characters could discuss how it is that Connor could take the sacrament for all those years and not become noticeably ill; they conclude what I summarized above; and since he's not inherently evil, the host is as harmless/useless to Connor as it is for any non-believer and those who haven't gone to confession; the other alternative is that the host, having been transubstantiated, ought to make him sick, but it never does; perhaps he's protected by the fact that he bears the soul of a major biblical figure; either explanation would work
- one caveat about his soul: by the time Connor receives the Holy Spirit, his ancient soul will have been changed by Connor's life up to age 16 (his age in book two); so, when his soul does finally fully awaken to who it is and was, his soul is no longer simply that of the biblical figure; it is also by then part Connor, the screwed up, manipulated-since-birth kid who still loves his father; I'll have to figure out how to keep alive the possibility that Connor might yet kill Christ so as to save his father; perhaps he can have recurring nightmares that alternate between him killing Christ and him killing his father

Cool addition for the fight - the Eucharist that's always on display in the basilica (as part of the ongoing charade of Connor being Christ) isn't destroyed during the fight, even though everything around it is. Instead, it begins to glow brightly within the monstrance used to display it, moments after De Rosa defeats Connor. The two of them approach to within perhaps ten meters of it, and De Rosa goes to knock it off the altar but is unable to get near it due to excruciating pain, so he storms off. Curious, Connor tries to approach it and is able to do so. He can even pick up the monstrance. Sometime later, someone notices the sacrament is missing, the implication being that Connor took it.

LOL. Just remember, the last time you "got into it", I pulled the rug out from under you. smile

The beauty of fiction! John Paul II's tomb is up on the main floor, as is the Pieta, and the Chair of St. Peter. And who can forget the Baldaccino, which Connor knocked over in book one? I may also crack the church's huge dome. Should be fun!

The reason I want multiple demons inside De Rosa is that he displays too much power. Although one could say Satan's the most powerful demon, there would have to be others who are nearly as powerful. If that were the case, I would expect them to bring down churches right, left, and center. By requiring multiple demons to accomplish what De Rosa does, it brings Satan's individual powers down to a more reasonable level. Interestingly, though, Connor, as a hybrid, is more powerful than De Rosa, something Satan doesn't realize. Father and son will have a violent confrontation in book two, yet somehow, Connor loses. Can't imagine why. :-)  Neither intends to kill the other, but it will be fun to have them tear St. Peter's Basilica apart as they fight it out.

Found a nice solution to Satan having so much power he almost brings the first church crashing down (when he appears to the first cardinal as the dark figure): De Rosa's zombie body will be home to multiple powerful demons, not just Satan, and they can combine their strength when needed.

George FLC wrote:

If someone is part of the Charismatic Renewal, Pentacostal Movement, and others, then they can have prophecies (rhema).
1. There is a Catholic Charismatic Renewal going on. I belong to one of their groups even though I'm a protestant.
2. Correct. It would be tricky to blatantly contradict the Bible. Cardinals in strategic locations are needed to twist, distort, etc.
3. A weak example is when you had actual dragonflies attack Conner in Israel. I thought those REPRESENTED helicopters or something. I thought they would be big not bug like.
4. This is REALLY weak but Revelation 12 figurative talks about the birth of Jesus. You would have to construct it to point to Connor.

Revelation 12 And then a great wonder appeared in heaven: There was a woman who was clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet. She had a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out with pain because she was about to give birth.
3 Then another wonder appeared in heaven: There was a giant red dragon there. The dragon had seven heads with a crown on each head. It also had ten horns.
4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and threw them down to the earth. It stood in front of the woman who was ready to give birth to the baby. It wanted to eat the woman’s baby as soon as it was born.
5 The woman gave birth to a son, who would rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was taken up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman ran away into the desert to a place that God had prepared for her. There she would be taken care of for 1260 days. (There's more but it complicates what I would like to see.)

There might be other verses, but I can't think of them right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a Catholic Charismatic movement is not the same as the majority of the Catholic Church, or is it? It's the mainstream Church that Connor/Satan are after first.
I think you mean locusts, not dragonflies. The locusts came straight out of Revelation, including their scorpion-like stingers.

I have no problem contradicting the Bible anymore since the alternate, story timeline perfectly explains why the Bible differs from actual events in the story timeline (both timelines inherited the same Bible). There will be a scene dedicated to puzzling out how it could be that the inerrant Bible differs from current events in the story timeline. The Bible was written before the timeline split in two (real-world vs story-world timelines). And God had his reason for allowing the Bible to be written the way it was, not least of which is the fact that the story timeline didn't exist at the time the Bible was written. That Bible correctly predicted what would happen if the timeline continued as is. That scared Satan (who has free will) into issuing his final challenge; when God accepted, the new, story timeline branched off, resulting in both timelines having the same history and the same Bible, yet the Bible only describes events in the old timeline. The theologians will eventually conclude that 1) their Bible is inerrant, but 2) it was written for a different timeline.

If someone is part of the Charismatic Renewal, Pentacostal Movement, and others, then they can have prophecies (rhema).

It's an interesting concept, but the target for book one is the Catholic Church, the members of which are my target audience for book one. The Unholy Trinity won't go after other denominations until book two onward. Also, the dual timelines explain the discrepancies between an inerrant Bible and the story's timeline. Also, if someone comes along doing miracles and spouts explanations that appear to contradict the Bible, then that individual is an obvious antichrist, predicted by Christ in the New Testament, which shouldn't be believed. I don't think the Catholic Church would ever approve his words if they contradict the Bible without extraordinary proof such as provided by events in Rome, the Vatican, and the Holy Land related to the conspiracy surrounding Connor.

Also, I can't think of a realistic explanation in the new timeline that would allow prophets to interpret Revelation such that Christ will return as a boy, at the center of the conspiracy that will kill either Christ or Satan.

I happened to notice that this thread has been viewed over 145,000 times. I was a bit freaked by the number until I looked at the whole forum. My old Galaxy Tales thread has been viewed 280K times. Sorcerer's Progress, 360K. And Amy still holds the record at 465K for her Acts+ thread! Yay, Amy.

Hi Sol. The group Mysteries & Thrillers still needs to be deleted. Thanks

My references to timelines here has nothing to do with the content of Revelation,  although the latter is obviously the biggest discrepancy between the two timelines. To be clear a timeline is everything that happens in the universe along one time-ordered sequence of events, such as a universe with Connor and one without him. Naturally, my story is only concerned with Earth, but a timeline generally spans the cosmos and all past and future events in that "version" of the cosmos.

By the way, I googled Revelation vs Revelations since you spell it with an s. Wikipedia claims it's the Book of Revelation, sometimes erroneously referred to as the Book of Revelations.

I've been thinking through the idea of alternate timelines some more to explain why the story's timeline doesn't match the Bible, which is of course from our real-world timeline. I think I need to find a better way to get our Bible into the story's timeline than to simply state that it "somehow" happened, perhaps because there is only one, inerrant God-inspired Bible across all timelines/realities, even though no other timeline except ours matches that Bible. It would be an interesting thing to discuss and try to explain that in the book, but I have no need or space for it.

The new, story timeline arose because of the wager (i.e., the story's timeline, where there is a Connor/wager, split off from the original timeline, where there was neither). A key question is, why does the new timeline not have its own version of the Bible, written prior to the wager being made? There ought to be biblical prophecies in the new timeline about Connor that pre-date the moment the wager was agreed to, which took us from the old, real timeline to the new, story timeline. Instead, the new timeline somehow simply ends up with the old timeline's Bible.

The best idea I can think of is to state that, before the wager, there was only one timeline, and once the wager was agreed to, the new timeline branched off from our old one, and both timelines (old and new) share identical history prior to the timelines splitting. As a result, the Bible, which was written for the original timeline (prior to the wager) is identical to the Bible in the new timeline since both timelines used to be one. I think that's a relatively straightforward explanation to wrap one's head around.

This issue only comes up because I want to leave the Bible inerrant while still explaining why the story timeline differs from it. Prior to the wager, the story timeline didn't even exist, so the prophecies could not have included information from it. Granted, God could have provided that information to the Bible's authors, but God had his reasons for allowing the prophecies to be written down in a way that only matched the old timeline, in which the Bible was written. It was left to Satan to take that into consideration, which he overlooked.

Instead, Satan read Revelation after it was first written and issued his challenge based on it, which split the new timeline off from the old one, with a Bible originally intended for the latter. The old timeline still exists, so there are today two timelines, and the prophecies are for the old one only. Now, is it fair for God not to tell Satan what will happen to him if he issues the challenge? I would say yes since, initially, the old timeline was all there was. Satan had yet to issue the challenge, creating the new timeline. He has free will, so he could have gone a third route that spared him from the Lake of Fire, but he saw the wager and the resulting new timeline as a way to defeat God and gain control over the Earth for all time.

As readers of Connor's story, we used to live in the old timeline, but we became part of the new timeline when it split from the former. There is now a Connor in our universe, and events will occur because of him that do not match our Bible, which is identical across both timelines.

Make sense?

Now that you mention it, I do give clues about De Rosa.
- when they're reviewing the security footage from the first church, they see the dark figure next to his Mercedes. Based on the car's known height, he estimates: 185 cm, same as me. smile
- De Rosa suffers stigmata every time a cardinal is killed. Now, stigmata is a rather confusing clue, but it is there. And he suffers stigmata supposedly from watching The Passion of the Christ the night before they find the last cardinal dead. It's such a weird detail that regular mystery readers ought to be wondering about it.
- De Rosa and the dark one both have a medium build
- De Rosa has blue eyes and blond hair, same as Campagna's rapist. So, if you guess he's the rapist, and you tie that to the fact that Campagna's missing son is probably Connor AND is De Rosa's godson, then it's not too big a stretch to think maybe he's in it up to his eyeballs.
- there is speculation that the Unholy Trinity is in the story, which requires three characters, and there's quite a limit on potential recurring characters in the story.
- I know I have other clues too

I remember thinking it was okay, even preferable, for the reader to guess that De Rosa is the dark figure/Antichrist since, then, they'll never see the real twist (Connor is the AC) coming. Marilyn was sure Connor was the Antichrist, but then I revealed de Rosa as the dark figure first, and she was very surprised, thinking the dark figure was the Antichrist. Then I reveal Connor is the AC.

In the second draft, I'll have Connor beat up by Alessandro as one of the first scenes, and the latter subsequently suffers a seizure and is healed by Connor. Again, barely a clue, but it's all noticeable on a second read. I think it would be too obvious if Alessandro has the seizure right while pummeling Connor, but maybe...

I was trying to figure out how to explain away any inconsistencies between Bible verses that discuss Christ's return and the idea that Christ will return as a boy. Since that could be a very long discussion, I'll nip it in bud by relying on the fact that our modern Bible is actually from the old timeline. Because of the wager, our new timeline no longer has to match the Bible, although I still want to minimize the number of unexplained discrepancies. If you read the previous post, you'll remember that, although the Bible doesn't match our timeline, the Bible itself is inerrant for its timelime. That is the part the cardinals will discuss when they meet with Connor, which is a much shorter conversation. As noted in one of my previous posts, an earlier chapter will provide all the setup for that topic.

EDIT: The same solution will allow me to use a more comprehensive battle between Connor and De Rosa. They'll both begin with human armies, then the demons attack on De Rosa's behalf, and all seems lost. That's when St. Michael leads a charge of angels against the demons. Modern weapons won't work around Megiddo because it's the site of Christ's imminent return, so only tech that existed during Christ's time will work (kinda lame, but I can't have tanks and other modern hardware, not even grenade launchers or guns, since all that's too violent). And like the timeline changes, I'm going to rely on the 8th century manuscript to explain why my story even has a real battle, which otherwise wouldn't be Catholic. Although, technically, my battle is between Satan's forces and those of the Antichrist. As a result, this is not the battle in Revelation, which won't happen.

The lie is going to go away too.

George FLC wrote:

I'm trying to remember how much de Rosa did. Should he jump in a little more with a slip here and there that causes people to wonder? Maybe have him and Connor lock eyes at some point and Connor turns nastily away. De Rosa always goes with the flow. Maybe he should swim against the flow. Or at least go in a different direction than Campagna sometime.

I might be stating things that you've already done but I have a great excuse in that I was on brain fog meds for a while :-)

I forgot to answer this. De Rosa was a weak character in the first draft. He and Campagna were completely interchangeable with respect to the hunt for the AC. Only her alcoholism and hunt for her son distinguished her from De Rosa. In the next draft, where I replace the NOCS (Italian SWAT) team with a two-hundred-year-old demon-hunting team, De Rosa will be the devil-may-care (pun intended) modern-day leader of the team. She'll be promoted to chief inspector (from senior inspector) and become his boss, causing (I hope) plenty of friction between them. As a result, they can't be on friendly terms prior to the investigation beginning, unlike now, where's he's the Vatican's liaison officer and she's worked with him many times.

Why would Connor turn nastily away from De Rosa? De Rosa is his godfather and, by all appearances, they're very close, although Connor gets pissed off at the end once De Rosa admits that the wager with God is the real reason Connor exists.

I also have to be careful not to give any hints about either Connor or De Rosa. Two of my story's four Christian readers to date guessed that Connor is/may be the Antichrist. There's a huge hurdle to jump when it comes to Christian readers since most serious Christians are highly sceptical right from the get go that Connor could be Christ returned as a boy because, to them, it can't happen. As a result, they may never even read the book.

George FLC wrote:
Dirk B. wrote:

Kdot, don't forget the Christian cross around De Rosa's neck. As he admitted to Romano at the end of book 1, Michael the Archangel slipped it around De Rosa's neck while he was distracted. It's essentially a chain around De Rosa that limits his powers, causes his excruciating stigmata when he kills clergy, and prevents Satan from leaving De Rosa's body. Thus, no whisking. I based my story's "chain" on the one used to chain up the dragon in Revelation.

I have to admit you approach on the chain is interesting. Rev 20:1-6 is quite different from what you're doing BUT I like how you borrow from it. Very creative.

The wording in Rev 20 is allegory. After all, you've got a  so-called abyss and a dragon. Therefore, my interpretation seems reasonable. The Catholic Church believes we are already in the thousand year period (one thousand is sometimes used to represent "a large number" in the Bible; that period represents the reign of Christ from the altar via the Eucharist (i.e., He's here now)). Since the dragon is chained and thrown into the abyss, either he is completely unable to cause great evil during that period, or the chain merely limits Satan's power but doesn't prevent him from still causing evil acts. Since we're in the thousand year period and there is still great evil in the world, clearly Satan is not completely impotent. My chain only limits his power; it doesn't make him impotent. I also use the chain for other useful story purposes: the stigmata and the chain (supposedly given to him by John Paul II!) both make him a less likely suspect; he's also unable to change bodies, otherwise he'd be almost impossible to identify. If he can't change bodies and he's in the story, then he's got to be one of the existing characters. I do have characters speculate that the Unholy Trinity is in the story, which includes Satan. His inability to change bodies plays an important role in books two and three.

George FLC wrote:
Dirk B. wrote:

From Wikipedia (article about Michael):

Michael is mentioned explicitly in Revelation 12:7-12, where he does battle with Satan and casts him out of heaven so that he no longer has access to God as accuser (his formal role in the Old Testament). The fall of Satan at the coming of Jesus marks the separation of the New Testament from Judaism.

I'm not a theologian but don't you mean his role in the OT and NT? I've heard Satan described as the accuser of the brethren.

The above was a quote from Wikipedia. I didn't write it. I know he's referred to as the accuser, although I don't know if he still has that role in the NT. I wasn't there. :-)

Kdot wrote:

As a reader, if I'm in an alternate timeline, I'd like enough hints to get it early so I don't read in the wrong reference frame. I wouldn't want to be reading in my reality that Goldilocks ate the porridge only to discover at the 75% mark that the three bears altered her initial entrance to the cabin.

I'll probably have an early chapter in the book where the 8th century manuscript is found, and I can include snippets of its contents in the scene. It has to be discussed before Connor's meeting with the Council of Cardinals (chapter 15) because there's no room in that chapter to cover everything. I may set the time period for the chapter in the past (hundreds of years ago?), and have a meeting at the Vatican to discuss its interpretation of Revelation, the idea that Christ will return as a boy, and the fact that the Bible is for another timeline. Those ideas are considered too wild to be taken seriously at the time, but since the manuscript was written by a saint (handwriting and ink/paper analysis all check out), it is not declared a heresy. They simply decide to put it in the archives. Song will claim to have stumbled upon it at some earlier point in his Vatican career, when he could still see/read such handwritten documents. He'll then raise it at the council meeting after he sees Connor/Christ. A key to it becoming believed will be a series of prophesied events written by Satan for our time, which he then ensures actually happen when predicted.

From Wikipedia (article about Michael):

Michael is mentioned explicitly in Revelation 12:7-12, where he does battle with Satan and casts him out of heaven so that he no longer has access to God as accuser (his formal role in the Old Testament). The fall of Satan at the coming of Jesus marks the separation of the New Testament from Judaism.

From Catholic.com:

Whatever their status was in their immediate creation, and some would argue that Satan/Lucifer/the devil was of a higher and thus more powerful choir than the Michael the Archangel, who was one of the lower choirs, all that theological speculation is moot, because St. Michael was and is faithful to Almighty God and thus was able to defeat the devil (Rev. 12:7-9). And in the same Lord God he maintains power over Satan for all those who faithfully seek his angelic intercession.

Of the fallen angels, Scripture refers to Satan as their leader, as in “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). Because of his demonic leadership, many theologians have reasonably argued that the devil is an angelic seraphim or a cherubim, though others have disagreed.

In any event, again, the devil’s pre-fallen status is a moot point. St. Michael is undoubtedly more powerful than the devil is, given his fidelity to God, and as was first illustrated in his role in vanquishing the devil and his demonic confreres from the heavenly realm.

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From what I've read, I believe Michael is more powerful, although it's always possible that Michael never faced him one-on-one. There's a mosaic at St. Peter's Basilica of a victorious Michael standing with a raised sword and his foot on the head of Satan. But that's imagery and not necessarily based on anything biblical.

Assume the chain is made by God since it has supernatural powers (otherwise, how would you chain a spiritual being?). But then, so what? The wager involves Connor choosing whom to kill using the dagger from book one. Does it matter if Lucifer is stronger than Michael or not? Strength isn't gonna decide that contest. Love might, though. De Rosa has been whispering "I love you, son" and "The world is against us" to Connor since he was an infant. Since he took Connor away from his family (his mother and her relatives), Connor had no other bonds. God only required that Connor be raised a Catholic. It was De Rosa who chose an orphanage, trying to further minimize any chance of a strong bond between Connor and others, although he develops somewhat of a bond with Romano. So, the question is, can the people who really love Connor develop a strong enough bond with him to overcome De Rosa's inertia.

Connor's Soul

Without revealing the 3rd party, I'll say that for the wager to go ahead, Satan needed an ovum and a uterus, supernaturally enhanced sperm, and a human soul. The reason it has to be a human soul is that Connor is genetically almost completely human (with DNA from his mother, DNA from the zombie known as De Rosa, and some adjustments made by Satan to the DNA in the zombie sperm to give Connor his supernatural powers). Naturally, only God can provide the soul. But why would he? Because Revelation prophecy says Christ doesn't return until after the AC appears.

Here's the catch (I think I mentioned this before): Satan asked for "a human soul." And that's exactly what he got. But Satan didn't think to insist on a "new" soul. So Connor is what we might call an "old soul". :-)  But, as with Christ, who didn't know the full details of who he was and why he was on Earth until he was baptized as an adult, the soul within Connor hasn't yet fully reawakened to realize who it is, why it came, and what it's supposed to do. That soul awakens slowly over the years. In the meantime, it is heavily influenced by events in Connor's life, including the lies Connor's father told him, including Satan's manipulations to make Connor love him unconditionally. Just to be clear, that soul is Connor since Connor has no existence or will of his own without a soul. But that soul, though not fully awake and heavily influenced by current events, has instincts from it's past life, among them instincts about right and wrong, which play a role in the failed attempt to kill the pope.

So, the third party you mention, although it is Connor, isn't yet fully aware of its past. As Connor grows, his soul grows with him and changes based on Connor's experiences, since they're inextricably linked. Connor will eventually learn who he is, probably in a series of reveals, at which point he develops full awareness of true right and wrong, although there are no easy decisions (e.g., he still loves his father). But ... the soul within Connor doesn't want to burn in the Lake of Fire either (can you blame it?). So, one would think, it would be driven toward destroying Christ. That soul is, however, so traumatized by an evil it unwittingly unleashed on Earth long ago, that it planned an extraordinary rescue mission, which can only happen just before the end of Revelation. But the soul learns from God in book 2, that, for the rescue to succeed, it will need to sacrifice itself in the Lake of Fire, which it didn't expect and terrifies it. Damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. The only obvious way it can save itself is to remain allied with Satan, kill Christ, and abandon those it came to Earth to rescue.

It's at that point, when all of Connor's life experiences and relationships become critical. They will ultimately determine whether his soul has the courage to proceed with the rescue mission and sacrifice itself to an eternity of agony.

As noted, Connor is inseparable from his soul in all of this, although it becomes necessary to distinguish the two at times when writing about them. Fundamentally, there's just one soul and one body, with old experiences (from the soul's former life), which return to its awareness slowly, and new experiences (from Connor's life), which change the soul until it becomes as much Connor as not.

Inerrancy of the Bible

This is going to be complex, made more so by the need to not invalidate the Bible, which is inerrant. To understand what follows, you have to think of all of us as living in the same timeline as Connor and the wager. In other words, make believe we are on his timeline (this is fiction after all, which is supposed to take us to a universe that doesn't actually exist, so pretend it does, and we're in it). I refer to Connor's timeline as the new timeline, which began when Satan read the original prophecies, didn't like the ending, and issued his challenge to God. Our real-world timeline, where there is no Connor or wager, I refer to as the old timeline, a path we left when everything shifted to the new timeline.

Somehow (still trying to figure this out), when we shifted to the new timeline, we were left with a Bible intended for the old timeline, perhaps because a holy document originally written for one timeline won't change just because we shifted timelines. Perhaps there is only one Bible across all realities, and it cannot change, including St. John's original prophecies. So, we're on the new timeline, but our Bible was written for the old timeline. Things will happen that don't match the Bible, but the Bible remains inerrant (for its timeline).

Still with me?

Now, someone in our timeline (a saint?) in the past experienced visions (from the Holy Spirit) that our timeline doesn't match the Bible, so he wrote a new interpretation of Revelation that did match our timeline, including mention of Connor as the Antichrist and the wager. Satan got his hands on it, and made a few critical changes, one of which being that Christ will return as a boy named Connor. Satan then put it in a monastery in the 8th century, where he would later ensure that it was found. However, it wasn't taken seriously by the Church. But because the author is a saint, it also wasn't declared to be heresy. It was placed in the Vatican archives, and Cardinal Song (the False Prophet) declares it to be valid after he supposedly sees Connor (aka Jesus) in the council meeting in chapter 15. Then, as the story continues to unfold, the Council of Cardinals discovers that things are unfolding as prophesied in the ancient manuscript. Those events were inserted into the manuscript by Satan, who subsequently makes sure that the events he wrote about actually happen (e.g., Connor (Jesus) gets stabbed at the Vatican and dies, only to come back to life).

If you're able to follow that, then there is hope that I can write about it and make it work for the story. smile

Kdot, don't forget the Christian cross around De Rosa's neck. As he admitted to Romano at the end of book 1, Michael the Archangel slipped it around De Rosa's neck while he was distracted. It's essentially a chain around De Rosa that limits his powers, causes his excruciating stigmata when he kills clergy, and prevents Satan from leaving De Rosa's body. Thus, no whisking. I based my story's "chain" on the one used to chain up the dragon in Revelation.

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Some Spoilers Ahead:

Connor didn't kill the pope because he found he couldn't go through with it. That was to have been the culmination of everything his father had been working toward for two thousand years (i.e., for Connor to "become" Christ). If you remember, Connor lied to Romano and his father about having done it, although he later tells his mother the truth. Something about Connor prevented him from committing the assassination, although he doesn't know what.

That same "something" feeds his conscience, causing him to really question what he's doing. As Connor is shown real love by his mother and his mother's family (i.e., Connor's family), he begins to wish he could get out of the conspiracy, but he's in so deep, he doesn't know how. His grandfather has a heart-to-heart with him, telling him how the family had tried for years to get his mother to quit drinking, but they ultimately concluded she had to want it too, so they told her they would always be there for her, and that all she had to do was ask for help, which she finally did after she found Connor.

His grandfather then tells him the family would always be there for Connor too, until he was ready to ask for help. Connor decides he wants to try, so his grandfather takes him to church, telling him God has been waiting a long time for Connor to set foot on holy ground with righteous motives. Connor goes to confession (with Romano!), then truly prays to God at the altar for the first time in his life. He's told by God everything he has to do if he really wants out of the conspiracy, yet he's also told he will still end up in the Lake of Fire. Yikes! Of course, now Connor is even more conflicted. Among other things, he's supposed to destroy his father, a being he loves dearly, and yet, apparently, Connor is still doomed. Tough call. :-)

On a separate note, Connor is, of course, still pissed off at his father and God for creating him in the first place just to, in Connor's mind, simply settle the bet. He'll be quite a badass in the first half of book two, intentionally trying to piss off his father by *not* acting Christlike in front of important witnesses. It's going to be fun to write those parts.

Whatever it is that prevented Connor from killing the pope will continue to influence him until he learns the truth in book 3: God is unfolding a plan far greater than a simple bet with Satan. That plan was actually developed by someone else in Heaven looking to change the course of history.

As for whether it's murder for Connor to actually kill, not in this case, regardless of what he decides. First, God and Satan both agreed to let Connor make the life or death choice as to whom to kill. And, since it's the End Times, the Holy Trinity and the Unholy Trinity are now at war. Would it be murder for Connor to kill the leader of enemy forces during war? Would it have been murder for Connor to kill Churchill and Roosevelt during WW2? If yes, then would it also be murder for Connor to kill Hitler?

I'm dying to start writing this.

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I have to be careful not to make the first two chapters even longer. I currently have each of St. James's ships hit twice. The first time it does a lot of damage to the three ships, but not enough to fully cripple them. The second time, it hits like a bomb under the bridge of the Almighty (it shears off a big chunk of the main part of the vessel). Including the sister ships, that makes for a total of six strikes, most of them different in the specific damage they cause, so there is pretty good variety as far as trying to describe/keep the battle interesting. A 20% reduction could work, although it wouldn't really change much about the battle, but it might seem more realistic. For example, perhaps the Hercules ups the amount of energy it produces for the beams as part of the second strikes in order to really damage the Colonial ships. Doing so also damages (overloads?) the neutrino reactor onboard the Hercules, although not enough to fully cripple it (she loses all ability to fire weapons and engage her stardrive, but she can still maneuver at sublight).

I've been skimming a few articles on energy frequencies, since shields are really just energy. I could perhaps explain the superweapon by stating that it requires a huge amount of energy to produce beams powerful enough at "extreme frequencies" to do real damage, frequencies outside the range of what ordinary shields are designed to protect against since they were never intended to repel beams at those frequencies since nova/supernova weapons can't produce them. It requires too much energy to do so, which the Hercules is only barely able to produce six times before its neutrino reactor is damaged.

Some technobabble cacas like that. The alternative to frequency babble might be to use "phase" babble, the physics of which would remain conveniently undefined.

I'm trying to flesh out the final few scenes of book 3 of Connor because it helps to know where I'm going before I write the second draft of book 1. I've already identified a few changes needed to book 1 to set up books 2 & 3.

Near the end of book 3, I want a battle between Connor's human followers and De Rosa's corporeal demons at Mount Megiddo (Armageddon), right before Christ returns. Part of the reason for this is that Catholics generally don't believe Revelation is to be read literally, so there will be no battle between Christ's angels and the demons. However, there's nothing stopping me from having Connor and De Rosa oppose each other, at least for a time. (I may have the archangels Michael and Gabriel show up to fight alongside Connor when it becomes clear that his forces are losing.)

Of course, De Rosa is playing with fire since a pissed off Connor may decide to destroy him instead of Christ when Satan's challenge to God is decided at Megiddo. FYI, the demonic dagger from book 1 is actually not demonic. It was forged by God the Father to decide the outcome of the challenge. It's intended to be wielded by Connor, hence the word Antichristus inscribed on it. Connor returns to the Holy Land at some point to retrieve it from the lake.

One obvious issue is that God cannot be destroyed, something I don't intend to change for the story, otherwise I think Christian readers would be unable or unwilling to suspend disbelief. So, instead, the dagger can destroy Christ's human form, not his spirit. That, too, is probably impossible, but it seems less egregious than completely destroying one third of an indivisible God outright. But God the Father, in accepting Satan's challenge, agreed that, if Connor chooses in favor of Satan, then the Holy Trinity will withdraw from Earth forever, leaving it to Satan and Connor to rule.

A related issue is that, although the dagger can only destroy Christ's human form, the dagger will definitely be able to destroy all of De Rosa, including Satan's spirit. Doesn't seem fair. Of course, Satan's alternative is the Lake of Fire, so perhaps he'd agree to the terms to avoid eternal suffering. Not sure if there's a better way to explain the uneven terms.

One huge factor in all this is that, before Connor throws the dagger, he already knows, if he kills his father, then Connor is himself still destined for an eternity of suffering as the Antichrist.

After Connor makes his decision and throws the dagger at the loser, he (and several other major characters) will be escorted to meet God the Father on a nearby mountain, a place where the Father resides whenever he assumes physical form and descends to Earth. I had hoped that could be Megiddo. No such luck. Megiddo is an archeological mound (only 20 meters high), not a mountain.

Mount Sinai is probably the closest major mountain from the Bible, but definitely too far away to walk from Megiddo. I'd prefer not to have Connor and the others simply whisked there on a magic carpet. I prefer him to have to climb a very long way. After all, he's going to meet God, who should reside up high. Ideally, I'd like it to be a huge series of carved stone steps leading straight up (no winding steps or jagged rocks to climb over), although the higher the climb, the longer the mountain would need to be to accommodate a straight "staircase". One option is to have the mountain hidden in plain sight, outside of our ordinary ability to see or touch it until God summons you. I think that's my best option. Also, since it's a "magical" mountain, it doesn't have to have proportions as we understand them, so a tall series of steps up need not be long, horizontally speaking. Or maybe I do make it a winding staircase of sorts, though still carved into rock. Another option is to make the mountain tall, but for some unexplained reason, it doesn't take too many steps to reach the summit.

Thoughts?