Good work, so far! You have half of them. I'm easy--I'll accept Jack's answer for #7, though that's not the movie I had in mind. And BTW--EVERYBODY should know the answer to #10!
302 2017-11-15 23:28:08
Topic: POP COP Quiz #34: Let us give thanks (9 replies, posted in Cop Shop)
Next Thursday, be thankful you didn’t wind up in the same boat as these guys! (I need to get out more! I haven’t seen all of these yet, but they sounded good when I read about them.)
So there you are, feeling sorry for yourself, and just when you think you’ve got it rough, along comes somebody who’s a whole lot worse off than you. These poor guys can’t get a break. Name the film, the starring actor, and the book’s author.
1. A guy wakes from a coma to find someone else has taken his identity and no one, not even his wife, believes him.
2. I’ll do yours, and you do mine. I did yours--what are you waiting for?
3. It was his duty to escort the child to school. Nothing more. Now his life is in jeopardy.
4. The death of a daughter drives friends to retaliation against one of their own.
5. He had an affair with a colleague. Now she’s dead.
6. Small-time crook and crop-duster pilot unknowingly steals money from the Mob. [The first of its kind, back in the day]
7. A detective doesn’t know whom to trust—each corrupt cop he talks to is worse than the last.
8. They had a fight, she’s missing, and he didn’t do it. [Sound familiar?]
9. A flight attendant who smuggles drugs for extra money gets into trouble with the cops, the DEA, and her boss.
10. He just wanted to spend Christmas with the wife and kids…
11. Extra Credit Classic: Oh, no--she fell off the roof! He can’t do anything about it, though—he’s scared of heights.
ANSWERS
1. Unknown (2011)—Liam Neeson—based on the 2003 French Novel published in English as Out of My Head by Didier Van Cauwelaert
2. Strangers on a Train (1951)—Farley Granger, Robert Walker—Patricia Highsmith
3. Man on Fire (2004)—Denzel Washington—A.J. Quinnell
4. Mystic River (2003)—Tim Robbins, Sean Penn, Kevin Bacon--Dennis Lehane
5. Presumed Innocent (1990—Harrison Ford—Scott Turow
6. Charlie Varrick (1973)—Walter Matthau—based on John H. Reese’s The Looters
7. L.A. Confidential (1997)—Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce, Kim Basinger—James Ellroy
8. Gone Girl (2014)—Ben Affleck—Gillian Flynn
9. Jackie Brown (1997)—Pam Grier—based on Elmore Leonard’s Rum Punch
10. Die Hard (1988)—Bruce Willis—based on Roderick Thorp’s Nothing Lasts Forever
11. Vertigo (1958)—James Stewart, Kim Novak-- based on the 1954 novel D'entre les morts (From Among the Dead) by Boileau-Narcejac.
303 2017-11-15 20:08:04
Re: POP COP QUIZ #33 Favorites, Part 2 (5 replies, posted in Cop Shop)
I guess it is hard to choose a favorite. My fail!
304 2017-11-13 13:58:52
Re: Best books on how to write? (17 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Micheal O'Donahue's "How to Write Good." Best advise ever--if you don't know how to end a story, have all the characters run over by a truck. If it's a story about characters who drive trucks, have them run over by a big truck.
Or have a volcano explode in the middle of everything--oh no, wait--that's been done! How about a towering inferno? Or maybe a ship gets upended at sea, or dinosaurs take over an island and pick off the characters, one by one?
It seems there are no new ideas. You just have to tell it your way.
305 2017-11-11 22:19:17
Re: Best books on how to write? (17 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Hold on, Jack and JP, If the writing is so bad that it makes you miss the story, then it's not a good story. If the story is so good that you don't notice the bad writing, then it's not bad writing.
I just finished reading a series of sixteen (yes--sixteen!) highly entertaining adventure romances. All the while I wished the writer had tried to use a little better grammar and sentence construction. I noticed it, and although the stories were fun, the reading experience was diminished. It just seems to me that a writer who has published--and sold to the public--sixteen books should know better. The worst part? In every book's acknowledgements, the author thanked the editor profusely.
The author should have done better, cared more. The editor should be ashamed to be named in association with such work. I call flimflam, bamboozle and swindle to palm off on the paying public poorly written work.
306 2017-11-11 15:58:53
Re: Best books on how to write? (17 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Oops--I got off the topic. I have read a lot of books explaining how to write, but in the end, the only way to become a good writer is with practice, practice, practice. That's why we belong to tnbw. The books are a jumping-off point, and not everyone's advice works for all of us. I never got any practical help from Steven King's book, although it was well-written, which sets a good example, I guess.
Find a few books and read them, but don't feel you have to follow anyone's advice to the letter. And don't expect instant success, no matter what they claim.
307 2017-11-11 15:46:12
Re: Best books on how to write? (17 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The best way to learn how to write is to read, and read a lot. Even if you are a master at writing, you still need to read. After you've done that, check out Beyond Style: Mastering the Finer Points of Writing by Gary Provost. He has other books as well. I also liked Stephen King's book on writing and Diana Gabaldon's Outlandish Companion. I like to read how authors do their craft. Elements of Style is also a good one. Then when you're done reading these books, go back to reading.
Right, Sherry--there is no substitute for being well-read. And it doesn't really matter whether you read fiction (my preference) or non-fiction, as long as the authors you read demonstrate a command of the English language. Case in point: the embarrassment of self-published books currently on the market featuring hackneyed phrases, misused vocabulary, horribly constructed sentences and shoddy editing.
Question: Is an author who writes badly to be forgiven as long as he/she tells a good story?
308 2017-11-10 22:20:26
Re: Book promos (6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
That's great, Jack. Here you go! You deserve it. JP
309 2017-11-05 21:03:41
Re: When Insults Had Class (32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Mark Twain on Jane Austen: "Every time I read Pride and Prejudice, I want to dig Jane Austen up and hit her over the skull with her own shin bone."
310 2017-11-05 21:00:39
Re: When Insults Had Class (32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
"He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary."
-William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)
Ernest Hemingway: "Poor Faulkner. He thinks big emotions come from big words."
311 2017-11-05 20:35:39
Re: WANTED: grist for the next contest mill. (47 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Since we're having trouble getting this contest airplane off the ground, I would like to respectfully suggest that we return to the group-sponsored contests we had a couple of years ago, with a few stipulations:
1. Group sponsorship of a contest be completely voluntary, to be decided by the group's moderator(s).
2. Contest prize be other than cash, such as a year's membership, 100 points, or other tnbw perk. (Possibly the winner's choice?)
3. Group membership be a requirement for entry, as it was before.
4. Contest scheduling be decided by the group, to accommodate members' needs.
5. Group be responsible for selecting a theme and promoting their contest.
6. Group be responsible for method of judging.
7. Contest entrants receive a summary of their scores after the winner is announced.
312 2017-11-03 00:37:48
Re: Wattpad for publishing stories (5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I did join wattpad a few years ago in order to enter a harlequin romance competition. My book was up for several months during the entry period. My story received little attention. Members are encouraged to read each others' work, ostensibly for feedback, but the caliber was poor, and the only feedback was gushy "I love your story!" type responses. Supposedly, the more people who like you, the better. After the competition, I took my book down and cancelled my -membership. The "feedback" was valueless. It seemed the readers were just looking for free entertainment, which would conflict with the idea of selling your book.
313 2017-10-29 06:19:24
Re: Deleting drafts (6 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Mine are still there, the earliest dated December of 2014. I guess it's another bug. We can delete others' reviews of our work, but not our own. Or am I missing something?
I hope there's a solution. Good luck. JP
(You did bring to mind another question, but it's unrelated, so I'll start another thread.)
314 2017-10-25 14:47:27
Re: Dedication page for You Only Love Twice (8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
It's been a long time coming,but worth it,right? Congratulations, Bill. JP
315 2017-10-24 17:36:24
Re: How to handle foreign language dialogue? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Why are you obsessed with using another language in the first place? You've read everything we all had to say about its being unnecessary. So far, we've learned:
When you insert random phrases in a foreign language, you run the risk of making glaring mistakes.
When you ask a fluent speaker to provide phrases, you risk language that may not fit the character or the situation.
When you use an electronic translator, you get gobbledygook.
Why would you even want to mess up your hard work by taking those chances?
Stick to the language you know. It reads better, it'll be easier to write, and you'll look like the intelligent writer you are. JP
316 2017-10-24 00:08:24
Re: How to handle foreign language dialogue? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You can also use differerent grammar patterns for speakers in the different languages. If you know a Latin-speaker it will help ... even if the person only reads it.
Well, you can if you're sure that foreign-language speaker can provide dialog in the correct register. But then again, how can you be sure if you yourself don't have the knowledge to do the quality control?
317 2017-10-24 00:02:27
Re: How to handle foreign language dialogue? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
...It's the context of the characters that provides the background for the speech, obviating the need for the author to "explain." ...
Exactly! You said it so much better than I.
318 2017-10-23 19:58:17
Re: How to handle foreign language dialogue? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Don't you know anybody from Italy? The best would be to ask a native speaker to translate the lines for you. I did it for Lucy Crowe... Lucy used a dictionary and the Google translator and most of the time she got the lines almost right, but there was always something that needed tine tuning. Else, she used an idiom wrong, or an expression that was too formal when her native-speaking character would have used an informal one. This is normal when you don't know the language, and even many times when you know it but it's not your native tongue.
All joking aside, I have been giving the matter serious thought. I have the same problem when I write about the Spanish-speaking community. I do have a smattering of the language I learned as a child and from my high school and college studies. I also learned enough professionally to teach fourth grade, but that isn't good enough for a writer.
One problem is we speak in different registers. A university professor speaks in a different register than does a country farmer, or a fourth-grade teacher, for that matter. Haven't you noticed that Janet Taylor-Perry's characters speak differently than mine? I couldn't write dialog like hers if my life depended on it. When we write dialog in our native language, we use sentence structure, vocabulary and colloquialisms to add nuance to a character's spoken words. It's how we subtly tell our readers the character's education level and social background. If the foreign language you want to use is not also as familiar to you as your own language, you can't do it, not even with computer translators.
Mariana is right, to an extent. A native speaker does have a certain fluency, BUT it's likely that an untrained person doesn't understand how meaningful the differences in register can be. Characters may speak the same language, and correctly, but what we might call the tone is different in the way they talk. And if you, the writer, are not familiar with the language your friend has contributed to your story, how can you be sure they gave you what you needed? (The scariest place this happens is in a court of law, when the interpreter gives the wrong translation. I've seen it happen.)
It drives me crazy when I'm reading a perfectly well-written story and the author has thrown in some imbecilic misuse of foreign language. How stupid would you feel if you were that writer?
I suggest you write everything in YOUR native language, and use action and description to convey to the reader that the characters are speaking in THEIR native language.
Have at it. JP
319 2017-10-23 04:52:30
Re: How to handle foreign language dialogue? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Check and see how Dan Brown did it in The da Vinci Code. He has enjoyed a modicum of success, if I recall correctly.
320 2017-10-18 16:50:54
Re: I am new here. helloooo! (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Welcome to the site. I've learned a lot from from other tnbw writers.
I wish you success. JP
321 2017-10-18 16:47:03
Re: Dialogue tags to be avoided (53 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
B Douglas Slack wrote:The new editing software I purchased (ProWritingAid) ll
I HOPE nobody uses software to review my stories on NBW. I like tho think I'm writing for human readers.
John
Damn! I just can't stop quoting everybody today.
You took the words right out of my mouth (or fingertips). Thanks, John JP
322 2017-10-18 16:44:26
Re: Dialogue tags to be avoided (53 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I looked at her and smiled. "That should keep you for a while."
or
My eyebrows rose in surprise. "You're what?"
Bill
You're safe.
Those aren't dialog tags. By separating them with a period, you kept them as actions. They would be dialog tags if you'd written:
I smiled, "That should keep you for a while." OR My eyebrows rose, "You're what?"
See what I mean? I suppose I have seen the former, but I guaran-damn-tee you the latter just won't fly. Never in the history of the world has raising the eyebrows produced sound, much less speech.
You're fine, Bill. JP
323 2017-10-18 16:32:50
Re: Dialogue tags to be avoided (53 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Paula Hawkins (The Girl On The Train) has her characters both "barking" and "snarling" out dialogue, and I don't think most critics would accuse her of writing "hack fiction." Likewise, if your character has been screaming until his voice is hoarse, I don't see anything wrong with having him "croak" out a line of dialogue (sure he could "say" something "in a hoarse voice," but I'd argue that "croaking" is a simpler, more visceral description). Assuming he's human, I think the readers will assume he's not imitating a frog.
lol.
I just read a book last night in which the tag 'barked' was used so many times and applied to the speech of so many different characters, it became a distraction all by itself. I thought maybe the writer was a new author self-publishing, until I saw the complete list of her works. Looks like we all make mistakes.
Maybe it's okay to use dialog tags (although I think it's preferable to use action to indicate who's speaking). But you have to admit, when the tag itself becomes more notable than the words said, it's a problem.
Pity. It was a good story.
Again I say, the story's the thing. JP
324 2017-10-17 05:44:50
Re: Dialogue tags to be avoided (53 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Just spot-checked a few books from the shelf and found this. On a single page, Mark Twain used 'says' twice, 'said,' 'saying' and 'sung out', and it all makes perfect sense when you read it. Shirley Jackson used 'said' over and over many, many times on a page, using adverbs almost every time. Lee Child uses said, not quite as frequently and without adverbs. J K Rowling uses called, moaned, yelled and roared on a single page, without adverbs. Dan Brown uses action instead of tags almost always.
All I can deduce from this is that the rules about the use of tags (and adverbs) may have evolved over time, but they are not hard and fast. So, go your own way. JP
325 2017-10-17 05:01:49
Re: Dialogue tags to be avoided (53 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
We had a discussion of which dialogue tags were unacceptable, and I asked them to send me the list they go by. This is the info they sent.
Use a dialogue tag only when necessary, and when in doubt as to which tag to use, simply say “said.” Only in hack fiction has a person ever been able to bark, spit or smile a sentence. It’s a physical impossibility. Instead of using such body language terms as tags, we suggest making the dialogue itself convey that meaning...
MJ
Looks like they were talking about tags. You'd still need to use those words otherwise. It gets me when someone says such-and-such words are not to be used. If there were no need for them, they would not exist.
Don't use it if you don't know it, and don't repeat it on the page. In the case of frequently used words, no more than thrice on a page. Unusual and rarely-used words--those that might stick in the reader's mind, distracting him/her from the story--I wouldn't repeat at all, unless you want the reader to remember it. For example, if your murder victim died as the result of ingesting the Tacca chantrieri, you could repeat the word, or you could use a synonym--the plant also goes by the names of black batflower, bat-head lily, devil flower or cat's whiskers. Oops--sorry. I got carried away with nouns, when the discussion was about verbs.
But I digress. Use the word you want. Just don't hit the reader over the head with it. JP