soporific
451 2016-10-09 11:12:07
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
452 2016-10-08 21:59:53
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
The Price of Salt
by Patricia Highsmith
453 2016-10-07 22:09:35
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Aptenodytesforsteriphobia
454 2016-10-07 10:29:36
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
faux pas
455 2016-10-06 18:52:49
Re: New writing contest (33 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
LOL! Take care. Vern
Just joshing with you Sir!
Your suggestion is actually quite interesting. Hard to score though; it would be the judges that I'd feel sorry for.
456 2016-10-06 00:47:45
Re: New writing contest (33 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Since there seems to be quite a bit of discussion on site about genre and the attention each gets or doesn't get or even what is part and parcel to a particular genre, then perhaps a contest where one must pick three (3) genre from a list provided by Sol for the contest and incorporate elements of each within the story. Many, if not most, stories already contain elements of more than one genre, so such a contest might prove helpful to those who are reluctant to read or write a specific genre. You might even add the caveat (or not) that the author must denote (as a footnote) where/how in the story each genre is represented with the judge(s) to determine the effectiveness of each genre in the story along with the overall quality of the story. Too complicated? Well, it is a contest to hopefully decode the secret of writing a good story. Take care. Vern
Nice one Vern. Although I think there may already be an image that encompasses this suggestion in its entirety.
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457 2016-10-06 00:25:30
Re: Trivia and Trouble. Get it here! (46 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
The Rambo trilogy in 4 seconds
458 2016-10-05 00:09:08
Re: New writing contest (33 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
New competition! Yay!
Perhaps
If the competition stipulated a distinct yet general theme of an abstract nature; say, (and these are just random examples for illustration rather than actual suggestions), the end of a relationship: the death of a family member: a great victory or the overcoming of odds: an act of revenge: a survival… etc. etc.
Then all genres and styles of both storytelling and poetry could enter. I’d like to see the poets admitted, ideally with entries judged on two classes of winners… Short Story and Poem.
459 2016-10-01 14:24:37
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Hilarity Clinton
460 2016-10-01 10:47:32
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Hilarity
461 2016-09-30 11:18:02
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Huh? (That's the first word that came to mind.) :-)
John Frost Bridge
Yes. Absolutely.
The last 'word' was...
Bridge over troubled water
...and my reply was, John Frost Bridge.
Which is the Arnhem road bridge in Holland. The restored bridge named after 'Johnny Frost'; Major-General John Dutton Frost.
My grandfather served with the British 1st Airborne Division and was killed on September 21st 1944 in the operation to capture and secure that bridge against overwhelming odds. A small force of lightly armed British paratroopers far behind enemy lines, with only what they could carry in their pockets (they hadn't known that Arnhem had recently been garrisoned by the mighty 9th SS-Panzergrenadier-Division Hohenstaufen). Despite this, and in small bands with scant food, water and ammunition, they held out for nearly a week. Heroism within a foolish mission, a mistake, a massacre, and he and is buried with his comrades in Oosterbeek War Cemetery.
Last weekend I took my old mother from London, England over to Arnhem in Holland so that we could pay our respects at the grave of my grandfather, her father and to remember all of those who fought and died in the battle for that bridge. She's been to Arnhem before; her husband, my father had taken her to the to the remembrance/reunion event held in late September, a few times over the years. Now that my father has passed away and my mother is into her eighties, she wanted to pay a last visit to her dad's grave. She never knew her father, her mother was eight months pregnant the day he died on that bridge.
So last weekend I stood on 'John Frost Bridge.' Troubled waters? I should say so! Not only the thought of that ferocious battle in 1944, but the fact that although my grandfather was killed by a German bullet; killed trying to liberate mainland Europe from the Germans; over that bridge, as I pondered, poured a constant stream of BMW's, Audi's, Mercedes and Volkswagen cars. Little else. This is a Holland, a Europe that is now totally dominated and governed by the Germans in the political and economical sense, whilst the bloodied ground in Arnhem is now occupied largely by immigrants and migrants from the Middle-East and Africa who seem to hate and despise the indigenous Europeans and who disrespect and desecrate our war memorials. The price of liberalism.
I know that all of this will mean little or nothing to a North American, and I have no wonder that my reflex comment John Frost Bridge in reply to bridge over troubled waters sounds so spurious and meaningless to someone from the American continent that it is deemed worthy of a challenge as to its relevance or legitimacy. However to me, it was truly and emphatically the first word/phrase that came to mind.
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Lest We Forget
462 2016-09-29 21:00:07
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
John Frost Bridge
463 2016-09-27 20:33:32
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Norm'inative determinism
464 2016-09-26 17:23:57
Re: Lines in literature that make you stop and think. (59 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
465 2016-09-26 17:12:41
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Polished Turd
466 2016-09-19 14:34:10
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Dill Carver wrote:Barbiturate
For my whole life since I first read this word, I have written barbituate. ¿I guess I've not written it since I got a spell corrector?
Memphis
I don't think that I've ever written the word before. The spell-checker did its job, I'd have never figured the correct spelling given the pronunciation.
phonetic
467 2016-09-19 00:49:18
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Barbiturate
468 2016-09-19 00:38:19
Re: Ha! The monsters are real! (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
If we must ram it into the 7 plots, I would suggest Tragedy because of the way Powell's plan --er -- blows up
The plan (Powell's objective) changes with the circumstances, but the revised objective is executed with 100% success and the final outcome exceeds Powell's original expectations.
My original instinct was that you are wrong. However, upon reflection, I think the modern (rather than the ancient Greek) interpretation of 'Tragedy' is a dramatic story that presents a serious subject matter about human suffering and corresponding terrible events in a dignified manner.
So I guess you are right. In fact, you are spot-on.
Well done.
Blow me down, maybe Booker's maxim is correct after all?
Thanks for your participation within this thread. Appreciated!
469 2016-09-18 12:52:40
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Jack Dempsey
470 2016-09-18 12:35:55
Re: Ha! The monsters are real! (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I watched a film last night; 'Eye in the Sky' and it portrays a 'Drone Strike' operation against an Islamic terrorist operation perpetrated by Al-Shabaab in East Africa (the monsters are definitely real in this one).
The movie is well played, starring Alan Rickman (in his last role, RIP) and Helen Mirren and I found it to be a compelling viewing experience; a perplexing experience that ruined my night’s sleep and that has occupied my mind since I watched it.
It deals with the political and moral issues of the operation, portrayed through the men, women and children on the ground, the military command and their political counterparts and not least of all, the finger on the trigger, the drone pilot/operators.
Powerful stuff and no punches are pulled. Good versus Evil; but where one man's good is another man's evil and vice versa. A story of these times, a secret war where humanitarian conflict is at its most powerful and gritty.
(The following is a completely subjective opinion). I cannot tell you how refreshing it is find a movie that portrays a huge drama within the ‘reality’ genre. There a so many latex swamp monster, zombie, vampire, werewolf, supernatural and ‘CGI’ superhero, superhero V superhero, Kid Wizard, alien, AI/Robot, time travel and world-disaster novels/movies that I think I‘m burnt out on the fantastical ridiculous anti-reality genres.
I’ve heard the ‘nothing new under the sun’ adage trooped out many a time, and it is true that there reckoned to be only seven basic plots within which are stories crafted:
Overcoming the Monster
Rags to Riches
The Quest
Voyage and Return
Comedy
Tragedy
Rebirth
However, I happen to think that this is a load of old bollocks.
Yes, some stories will fit squarely into these categories, but many have to be either shoe-horned in or judged upon a technicality.
To be honest I feel that if you subscribe to the seven original plots theory, then you could go even higher and say there is only one original plot, and that is ‘human consciousness’.
I mean, Alice in Wonderland is said to be a ‘Voyage and Return’ plot, but written by Dodgson in 1865, the Victorians had never encountered its like. So far and away from the average fare of the day that ‘Voyage and Return’ is such a high level convenience that you might as well liken it to a new genre called ‘talking rabbit.’ Defoe’s Robison Crusoe in 1719 was a ‘Voyage and Return’ plot (can it possibly be three hundred years old?), but I’d argue that it forged a new plot, ‘the Castaway’.
In 1999 ‘The Matrix’ blew people’s minds. Okay, the dystopian future/parallel existence story might be a setting rather than a plot and I guess that the Matrix fits (at a stretch) into the ‘Overcoming the Monster,’ plot (if the Monster can be contrived into a race of super-beings). Maybe it is a Voyage and return plot? Perhaps it could be argued that is a ‘Quest?’ One or two might venture to suggest that it is actually a tragic comedy. The truth is that was a ground-breaking story that was highly original in its time.
Anyway, what I’ve been meaning to say since the outset is; given a consensus that “There is no original plot.” And “that Hollywood has used up all the original plots”, (by Hollywood I assumed that the general term ‘authors’ is also implied); is that if anyone has watched, or watches the movie ‘Eye in the Sky’, would they please explain which of the seven plots (that cover every story ever written), it fits into?
471 2016-09-14 21:21:43
Re: meaning for 'strongest start'? (42 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
To a degree, I understand it is something one knows when one sees it, but I also see that SS winners are usually in the Y/A fantasy/scifi so Pow! Wow! of adolescent gadzookery fits whereas the slow build in mystery's and lit-fic's can never be realistically SS until and unless the judges see that there are necessarily different sorts of SS for different genres and especially out-of-genre literature.
I'd always considered that the 'strength' element refered to the sheer quality of the prose and it’s delivery irrespective of genre; and the 'start' to be an evaluation based upon the reviewers overall impression of the opening three chapters.
I supposed that the competition represents a random agent or publisher’s eye view of a submitted manuscript. Do they still ask for the first three?
This subjectivity subject cropped up in the early days of the Strongest Start competition on the old site. A lively group of erudite author members back then; I recall a thread where examples from literature were posted to illustrate ‘the hook’. Some examples were from the ‘slow burn’ approach to a novel where the ‘electricity’ is written in. Where phraseology, word choice and the delivery of words prove to be an enthralling and compelling introduction (rather than fast paced action sequences or “adolescent gadzookery”).
There were some excellent examples of literary ‘devices’ that plant a hook without resorting to action sequences.
There was also a very interesting forum thread that discussed in great depth the elusive ‘the X-Factor’ element within a piece of writing.
something one knows when one sees it.
I miss those discussion forums from the old site along the thousands of hours of knowledge and opinion that was poured into them. There were many gems.
For an uneducated would-be writer like myself, the mentoring and advice that was dispensed by the experienced, educated and enlightened authors back then, was pure gold.
The new site is not the same and I wonder if my legacy connotation of the ‘Strongest Start Competition still stands?
472 2016-09-13 11:43:12
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Disputing
473 2016-09-13 11:40:32
Re: Scenes That Sing (34 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
(Script)
Inspector Frank Butterman: I used to believe in the immutable word of the Law. That is until the night Mrs. Butterman was taken from me. You see no-one loved Sandford more than her - she was head of the Women's Institute, chair of the floral committee. When they started the Village of the Year contest, she worked around the clock. I've never seen such dedication. On the eve of the adjudicator's arrival, some travellers moved into Callaghan Park. Before you could say 'gypsy scum' we were knee-deep in dog muck, thieving kids and crusty jugglers. We lost the title. And Irene lost her mind. She drove her Datsun Cherry into Sandford Gorge. From that moment on, I swore that I would do her proud.