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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I wasn't going for short, I was going for "glue the most interesting stuff together". Don't think of it like me snipping words to death but of pruning filler to bring out the flavour of the meat.

Also, I tried to stay true to the original, otherwise "destiny" would have been gone entirely (when a writer tells me "X is destined to do Y" what they mean is go ahead and skip to the final chapter because (i) X will succeed at Y or (ii) X will fail at Y and you're read this whole story for nothing)

deity vs entity:
Bob met with Joe and the followers of the Bing deity
Bob met with Joe and the followers of the Bing entity
If you can't see a subtle nuance in the second sentence that makes Bing realer, I will back away from this one

"Mentally ill"
is a very strong word. I mean very very strong. Not quite as offensive as some of the other words. recommend "Mentally challenged" or "mental disorder". I'm not saying don't use ill... just saying that if you put tomatoes on your sandwich, you must be prepared to get tomato flavour in every bite.

Overall, I find it approaches the concept of the story and what I presume to be the central theme. Don't let me bully you out of it

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

highlighting were my eyes rested...

Joseph and Apollo are teenagers living in the 41st century who grow up worlds apart but share a common bond — both are visited by a being who calls himself God. God takes each of them on an incredible journey to fulfill their destinies. With God’s help, Apollo, heir to Earth’s grand Imperium Romanum, leads a holy crusade to conquer a perilously divided galaxy. At the same time, God helps Joseph, the deeply religious crown prince of the strategic world New Bethlehem, found a radical new religion to steer humanity away from the Apocalypse. Ultimately, the teens' destinies will collide, something neither may survive. But is God a real deity, or the imagination of two mentally ill boys?

Some of the words I've deliberately overlooked (so you can see my thought process):
living > that they're alive is implied
grow up > implied they're growing at least a little unless they both die in chapter 1 paragraph 1
common bond > implied by them being mentioned together
incredible journey > superlative / advertising speakum
deeply > I realze you meant deeply with respect to Apollo but it reads out of phase here
religion > appears a lot in this little paragraph if we shall equate God / holy / religion / crusade
(destiny appears a lot too)
I dropped Imperium Romanum for reasons I'll make a separate post about
didn't like perilously because a) adjective b) it's not that "divided" when it's 3 parties but kept for now

And then taking what you wrote and joining all the blue parts:

Jospeph and Apollo, 41st century teenagers, are visited each by a being who calls himself God. Apollo, heir to Earth's human Empire, leads a crusade against a perilously divided galaxy.  Joseph, crown prince of the strategic world New Bethlehem, founds a radical religion to steer humanity from the brink of Apocalypse. Destiny calls, and each teen has help from God. Bit is this God entity real or imagination of the mentally ill?

Other notes:
a) I tried to shave off words wherever I could by joining / grouping concepts.
b) tried to get religion fown to 3 mentions (crusade / religion / Apocalypse)
c) Made God realer by asserting he's an entity (as written that last line forces him to be imaginary in the head of a believer)

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

She also does things that will horrify Joseph.

Such as shooting helpless opponents?

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

yes, I'm accusing njc of erudition

I hate holodecks

yes

1,032

(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I recommend not italicizing new words... especially if the word is not new to the characters and not stressed in any way. That would make for a very bumpy read

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(27 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

njc wrote:

Don't do that then!

I'd love to... but the underlying discussion spills over into every other thread on there.

Once this fervour dies down, eventually there will be a new post about some other topic such as the colour of the sky to a colour-blind person, and all the same people will pile in there and continue their existing literary flame war in it. It means I must abandon every thread I'm following.

Basically, this war is gobbling the entire group of 12K people.

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(27 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Every time I read a new post in Sneaked vs snuck, I lose a few brain cells

1,035

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

$100 is a total rip-off. Signed the guy in the GTA

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

The caps gives it more formality (more mocking) but I suspect either form is reasonable as long as it's consistent.

In particular, the caps implies someone famous carried this epithet before. Consider:
Hurry up, twinkle-toes
Hurry up, Twinkle-toes
(the latter being a Flintstone comparison)

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

bzzt!

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

And then, thinking back to my previous series... I have tons and tons of ranks.
Electron ranks go from electrokinetic->Lightning/Kinetic-Lightning->Elika->Namika->Nuclearkinetic (Each of these ranks can take "minor" or "arch" eg Minor-Elika or Arch-Namika).
Proton ranks Deputy->Sheriff->Lieutenant->General->Telika.
Telepaths rank themselves with a number representing how far they can reach + a division (projection / empathy / biopathy / placing / etc)
and there are many many more.

And I'm thinking about Book 6 and less than 10% of my ranks appear. The only ranks you see in book 6 are the ranks that matter to the characters. For example, [S t r a d i n] is technically a Minor Namika, but J calls him Namika. It's not relevant to her which kind he is because as far as she's concerned, he has all the properties of a normal Namika. She never refers to [K w a n] by her telepathic designation of "projection rank i". The term never appears in books 5 or 6. It exists in the story, but it's never so critical that J needs to mention it.

ok... back to yours. I ask of you... how important are the ranks? Which do you really *need*? Of course in a first draft use "lieutenant corporal". But in a second draft, maybe that guy is just a lieutenant or just a corporal. In a 3rd draft, maybe he's just "a leader baddie who wants to beat up the good guys".

Ideally the ranks are so unobtrusive that the story can remain dominant.

Here are some random questions to demonstrate what I mean:
a) In Seabrass's story, Tammon's rank/title is "Cityseer". Can you name the rank of Mawk?
b) Before the term "battle droid" was coined in 1990, how many classes of droid did Star Wars have?
c) Aside from "Prime" name at least 3 ranks of autobot.

(okay (c) is me cheating)

d) Aside from "dinobot" and "triple changer" name 3 classes of autobot.

PS: Classiarii and legionarii didn't throw me. I mentally re-assign them as "military guy carrying gun". Therefore no complaint. A 3rd, 4th, and 5th group merely joins this existing classification. Again, no complaint. UNLESS all five are in the same paragraph.

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Well... take my thoughts with a grain of salt because I was confusing legionarii and classiarii (and still can't keep them straight).

Adding more divisions and ranks will only make me more lost. Thus, you must choose between "fresh" readers and readers with a good command of latin. I see no major issue with any option as long as you know your readiability going in, and provide sufficient explanations to handle it.

-K

Due to storyline complexity, I suggest converting that underground abandoned city into an ant mound. You could tie it into your existing ants, and then you could say "cavern wall" and "ducked under a stalactite" etc instead of introducing flat walls at this point.

That city you depicted... you could probably spend about 4 pages describing it and still parts would be unclear. I suspect it's not that important to the overall story, so instead of leaving some readers confused about the stage, why not normalize it to the previous chapters?

I suggest cutting it (rather than try to render it better) because I'm never 100% sure if it's "day" or "night" or if the characters can see the sun. I'm never sure of the flora and fauna (especially with respect to broad-leaf plants). Sometimes a "drop-off" is mentioned and I can't picture how big or wide or deep. This stuff could use more fluffing out next pass. The city? Not so much if it can be normalized.

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(33 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Trump won.
The end.

*collects prize money*

1,042

(27 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

You dont want to renew right now? Yeh... basic doesn't have a lot of power afaik

1,043

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

What do they generally prescribe for you against the infection?

Dryden?

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(33 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Ann Everett wrote:

Ron Carlson's Alphabet Exercise: Write a short story of 26 sentences, the first beginning with A, the second with B, and so on.

Soo many Xylophone stories!

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

- I'm not surprised that you think Joseph is ambling along. He's caught up in a whirlwind that tosses him from one place to another (cadet massacre, Central Haven riot, slavery, prison, battle, etc.). However, he believes it's all part of God's plan and doesn't question how insane his actions are until his crisis of faith.

Interestingly, this is the most common complaint K w a n has drawn from the market - that she doesn't take enough of an active role in her own destiny. And it's very true. As one reader put it, "things happen to her".

- Apollo scheming? Apollo is also caught up in events beyond his crontrol. In his case, he's fighting God every step of the way, and the more he does, the more he fails. Only when he grows a pair and follows God is he able to gain control.

Usually it's the character who's willing to fight who gets our attention. The chance-takers - the gamblers who put their necks out to hire assassins in a cause they believe is right.

- I agree that Apollo's arc is more dramatic. I'll see if I can further amp up the tension in Joseph's chapter.

I don't believe that's possible within the desired structure. I also don't believe it's warranted. I did not suffer a disconnect between the two stories (Sorry, Amy). My disconnect, as you know,was Caligula.

You must picture Caligula as a character the writer finds interesting, but always remember he was not a sell character. As such, he must work that much harder to earn our pathos.

Think of him like my Marsha McKnight: a) absolutely essential to the plot b) 100% replaceable
(in my case by David McKnight and in your case by Apollo's little-used brothers)

Your unenviable task is to get me to feel one way or the other about him. You don't want me neutral on this guy. I should either love him or hate him so much, I want Apollo to kill him just to wipe the smirk off his face. There are a bazillion ways to accomplish the former, but having him kill Adam and Eve is a good start. Bonus points if he's despicable. Shooting tied up, helpless opponents is a good way to harvest those points (Joseph, I'm looking at you shooting a guy in handcuffs).

- As I mentioned in my response to Amy, Act II needs work. There isn't enough animosity between the MCs, fur flying, etc. I do have to stop a couple of times in the book to actually allow Joseph to define the Christian Heresy, beginning with the New Commandments, which slows the pace. His thoughts that lead him to unify the Essence, reincarnation, and evolution need trimming, but I think they're more interesting than the commandments.

This is the basic premise of the story. Why are you trimming that part?

- Is the end of Act II the neutral phase you refer to? If so, I'm confused, because that's where both the queen and emperor die. Most of Act II drags, except for the deaths at the end. Acts I & II need quite a bit of rewriting.

Remember Star Wars New Hope when Palpatine abolished the Senate? How his guards gunned down the senators and he rose, cackling with glee to accept his throne? No? Oh... it happened off camera.

- The introduction of a smart, scheming Caligula was too good to pass up

Agreed

. His scheme mirrors that of the Imperium's founder, which is a nice connection. I also needed a chapter from his point of view in order to hide the surprise that Apollo is still alive. .

Why hide it?

Writer: "Bob felt something brush his cheek"
Me: Is this a shard of metal? A fingertip? A tree branch? You kinda know this stuff even if its dark.
Writer: Oh, I don't want to say yet. It's for suspense.

So I ask of you... is there a benefit I'm not seeing to hiding a major character?

- The cult will truly go nowhere in book one.

Sure... as long as it was intentional and not an oversight, I'm down

- Personally, I found the lightsaber duel with Palpatine very enjoyable, were it not for the fact that Yoda looks CGI. The emperor hurling pods down at Yoda and cackling was fun. And who doesn't love Force lightning? The stupid leaping about by the CGI Yoda was a bore. I digress...

I needed more build to that to make me remotely interested. I would have liked to see a 10-15 minute sololiquy from Yoda about how he hates Palpatine for killing his puppy or something. It was literally two randoms going at it with lightsabers for me. All the magic / personability / pathos-driving of Expendables II but with half the action.

- I agree that Apollo should continue to fear discovery, although it's going to get tedious at some point. There's only so many ways I can shake an arm.  Amy's idea of having them mumble their dialogue with God is a good one.

Stage 3:

After the mumbling stage he should start to see furtive mevements from the car of his eye. When he randonly turns to look, people are staring at him quizzically. He's not sure if they're doing it to unnerve him. He finds muddy footprints in his room when he wakes up. Security assures him no one was in there. He starts imagining Aphrodite is cheating on him. He can suddenly no longer write straight - he hires a scribe.

Stage 4:

He starts to worry about poison (specifically of the exploding bowel nature). Hires a tate tester. Hires a second backup tester. Aphrodite grows distant. He thinks it's a conspiracy. He randomly has her arrested and searched for evidence (comes up empty-handed). Good time to throw in an exploding car bomb from the Heresy.

Need more? Amy and Seabrass are also good at this.

PS: Joseph needs a burning bush encounter. It's kind of a Judaic staple.

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Sounds like a bit of excessive force

1,048

(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Seems like a fine length to me

1,049

(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Release the emus!

1,050

(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

that would be like trying to ignore the sun