Re: Eyes go wide

I've been back and forth on these, even posted a question to the Premium forum about it. I finally decided that some actions are essentially automatic, such as eyes going wide when you're surprised by something. Ditto for eyebrows shooting to the hairline, eyes popping, etc. Imagine how weird it would read if I wrote Apollo popped his eyes.

Allow me to take an unusual stance. First, go re-read 10 paragraphs of your favourite chapter of Dune, then insert "...and Paul's eyes went wide".

Why don't we see this?

Essentially, the writer is treading on the story and says "Character X feels surprised".

One rule of story-telling they never tell you in school is "Don't tell the reader how to feel". That's what's happening here, and Herbert never does this. As such, the Dune story means many things to many people, and it's why there'll never be an accurate movie rendered of it (though the original comes reasonably close).

"Don't tell the reader how to feel"
I once had this yelled at me by a published writer many years ago. The particular example was fright. The lines went something like this (and I'm going from memory so bear with me).

Round 1 (basic)

John was walking home at sunset. He passed old McSweeny's yard and noticed the gate was open. Mr McSweeny's dog was unchained and could get to the street. John felt afraid. He turned and ran the other way.

Here, the writer was like "NO! Why is John afraid? Show me the elements of John that demonstrate fear, and let me decide if I'm afraid"

Round 2 (regular)

John was walking home. He eyed the fleeting rays of sun (a). The McSweeny's dog was always loose behind that flimsy chainlink fence (b). He stopped dead in his tracks (c). He traced the fence (d) to the far end of the yard. The gate was open!  John felt his pulse quickening (e).

a. John considers sunlight important (eg, he considers night/darkness as something to avoid). Notice, John need not frown - the fact that he noticed the waning sunlight is sufficient to convey the writer's intent.
b. John regularly passes here, and John associates fences with safety
c. Dogs make John think about death
d. delaying the suspense
e. Telling part (No worries here. I do this all. the. time.) This is on par with eyes widening - the writer is basically pausing the story to give the reader clues on how they should be feeling. After all, an open gate is not relevant if the dog is really friendly.

Round 3 (Approaching Stephen King level)

John was walking home. He eyed the fleeting rays of sun. The McSweeny's dog was always loose behind that flimsy chainlink fence, and it growled deep in its throat as he walked by. John ignored it and carried on until he noticed the gate at the far end of the yard was ajar.
"That's not good," John said.
He turned and retraced his steps. Behind him, the sounds of paws on grass sounded like the dog was in flight (a). John quickened his pace. The skittering of claws on pavement suggested the dog had attained the open gate. John broke into a run. At the next house, he spotted an open screen door. He made for it, knowing he couldn't possibly outrun the dog.
Barely, too. He made it as he felt the dog's breath on his ankles, slamming the door behind him. The dog crashed against the glass with a thundering impact.
John paused to catch his breath while the dog regained its feet. It paced back two steps, and its eyes began to glow brilliant green as smoke pooled around its feet. And here, the glass of the screen door became warm to the touch...

a. Keeping the danger slightly off-camera

Is John scared? The story never says. To some readers, he's terrified. To other readers he's quite calm and merely trying to avoid getting bitten. We basically invite the reader to insert his own judgements on top of John's actions. This is what Herbert managed to do... and is a kind of ideal goal.

If you manage to reach this third tier, Apollo will seem suave to some readers, and surprised to others. Each reader will assign their favourite attributes to the character. He will be inherently personable because he will embody the ideals of each reader's experiences.

Vader lowered his weapon and said "Luke, I am your father."

Reader A: Vader is in entreaty. He wants to be recognized as a parent
Reader B: Vader is ashamed that his son is so weak. He's boasting that he's the father to try to get Luke to be better
Reader C: Vader is testing Luke... trying to draw him out to see what he knows.
Reader D: (is in Luke's head) Don't, Luke! It's a trrrraaaap!

now imagine:

Vader lowered his weapon and raised his arm, pleading. "Luke, I am your father."

Here, "pleading" is a slight POV crawl. As Reader B, I have to stop being the character and imagine the character as perceived by Luke. This bounces me into Luke's head for a split second. I've been forced to head-hop and there was no significant benefit.

Most important fact... what you've written is not a deal breaker. Even if you change nothing, you still have a good story. This is all nuance... and as I've said each time, I want to give each of you everything I know.

天皇

oh dear

879

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yeh... I have been slacking a bit

880

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Ahoy! You done tweaking Dirtier than Dirt? Is it okay for me to proceed on it?

I do that all the time... when listing a series of descriptions. Not often with so few - in that case I'd probably join with "and".

pair of items wrote:

She wore a cream-colored, wraparound dress made of lightweight silk and matching shoes.

Note, this technically implies the shoes are silk too... or that the dress is made of shoes.

pair of items - sorted for logical ordering grouped by color then direction wrote:

She wore a cream-colored dress and matching shoes. The dress, wrapped loosely around her thighs, was pinned at her collar by an ornate red stone that glittered under the harsh rays of Bethelem's sun. Her shoes were suede, and everyone knows yellow suede signififies only the hardiest of souls.

list of items wrote:

She wore a cream-colored, wraparound dress made of lightweight silk with matching shoes, a designer purse in which was perched a tiny dog, and an obnoxiously large yellow hat whose brim might shelter three grown men from a sudden shower.

Ouch! I've had that happen where an idea I had got used before I could reach publication.

I was using the term "Synthoid" in VQF's first draft. Then the Aliens movie came out (I'd never seen part one at the time) and I lost that term. I switched to Synth, but that sounded too similar. In this draft I'm using Synthite, but I don't like that either. Basically I feel like I'm kicked off my term.

Slightly related, my concept of hands-free invisible computing (Buck Rogers was using terminals and Star Trek was using chest badges) which was revolutionary in the 80's has basically been stolen by real life. I totally need to release VQ before someone invents time travel and trumps Imager.

Unfortunately, this could go either way depending on the story's political structure... but I'm leaning towards lowercase personally

wait up. I'm slow.

You can get away with it using this little trick IMHO

886

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Seems to originate from new user Nyx whose profile page is littered with code possibly seeking vulnerabilities

887

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A temporary work-around for this problem is

a) disable scripting
b) remove the offending quickee
c) re-enable scripting

Hey all... just a PSA... malware code running about in the quickees redirecting you to some spam site. Advise avoiding them until Sol can resolve

a) You could have it that all weapons in your universe injure and don't kill. (kinda ew)

b) Pull a Lucas and have the gunmen have terrible aim. (Actually when you look at it. GI Joe had this problem too. So did the transformers cartoon - it wasn't until the movie that any of them actually struck a target).

c) There is killing but the camera isn't really centered on it. Kind of like Firestarter's r*pe scene. We know it occurred, but the camera never quite settles on it (admittedly, reviewers are asking me to show that moment explicitly, but I can't fathom why)

Interestingly, I've never held back on violence with intent to get to a specific rating. in Firestarter's case, the idea of suppressing it is to ensure the scene doesn't overwhelm the story. Lord of the Flies was up there for violence, but we were reading it by like age 12. Actually, I was reading Green Arrow & Black Canary kill people by grade six and look how I turned out tongue.

Anyway, on a more serous note, it sounds like you're appplying movie ratings to literature. By that approach, watching Julius Caesar getting stabbed thirteen times by his trusted friends would never be allowed into a grade 10 reading list, and don't get me started about Romeo and Juliet's underage sex scene and subsequent double suicide.

I vote... just write the story and let readers decide the rating as pertains to their own perceptions.

-K

890

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I've often wondered why Hollywood hasn't done a Christine remake. Imagine her re-cast as a Dodge Avenger in hot pink coming out to Justin Bieber.

But on a more serious note, there's a lot you could do with that story in the hands of the write director (which, sadly, very few Stephen King movies ever seem to see)

...and off she goes hmm

If it's excruciating, why not use general anaesthesia? I can get that for much less than excruciating irl such as having a tooth drilled.

Not me. Mostly caught up in the marketing engine. And this current series is so very hard to write

careful... he's Canuck now. "Cooked food" means poutines and beavertails

895

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description that must stand Amy's scrutiny.

Yeah, good luck with that

I've snipped / killed characters who had far more relevance

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I guess I'll chime in since I'm one of the perpetrators...

I don't have a fit with a POV character's eyes widen... but I will notice it every time, and if I'm noticing things it means I've been kicked out of the story.

Ah, but why did I notice it? I can't explain that easily, so let me give you a parallel example from another story here (slightly paraphrased for brevity)

not naming names wrote:

Helga's nostrils flared

Yes, you know when your nostrils flare - and sure you can even perceive it, should the nostrils in question be of sufficient diameter. However, I must ask if you've ever seen a beautiful member of the opposite gender and thought "Boy are my nostrils flaring!". If the POV character points out his reaction (be it nostrils or eyes, a tapping boot, or a ruptured spleen) I'll tend to zero in on that, which might not be the writer's intent.

But fear not... plenty of writers use this device. Remember Pippi Longstockings? IIRC her hair adjusts position depending on her level of excitement. Doesn't seem to have dented her book sales.

I liked Windsor

this summary... it's marketing text eventually destinedfor mass market? Or only for use during the search for a publisher?

mmm 15 yrs old and murder was 14 years ago. I see what you did there smile