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I have it on good authority that it is a combination of: He found out Wanda's sister is an alien who forced him to marry her thereby getting arrested for indecent exposure at the wedding ceremony which no one was sober enough to post bail and besides they were having too much fun with the sex operation performed by a group of rodeo clowns filming the new Fifty Shades of Porn movie using John as drummer for U-2 on the sound track which did indeed attract GP's agent who is currently working on a duel contract for John and GP to do a world tour promoting the Genesis of Client Relations starring John as the Dickhead Teacher getting divorced. That's the way I heard it. Take care. Vern

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If you forget to subscribe and get notices for threads just go to the "show your posts" box at the top when you come to the forums and it will give all the posts you have commented on in order. Take care. Vern

I doubt there is a way to "unread" the message and can't imagine such a thing being added. However, you don't need such a thing to jar your memory in this instance because you just created your own version of unreading with this thread and added a new word to our vocabulary at the same time. I mean, that's a lifetime achievement right there. Take care. Vern

HueytheHuey wrote:

I can not imagine why you have not received replies on this topic.  I am more than interested in your prospective group.  I would love to have something like this in my area.  Since I can not find such a place locally I shall stick myself to your group.  I am sticky since I have two young children and I'm always finding things stuck on my clothing from them.

If you'd have me I would love to be apart of what you are trying to create.  I shall await the stamp of approval or the boot and rejection.

They are gathering in another forum in the Premium Group. Click the link below and it should take you there. Take care. Vern  http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forums/ … ewers.html

I want to see the movie. Take care. Vern

SolN wrote:

"You further agree not to utilize the Site for the purpose of advertising or solicitation without the express prior written consent of theNextBigWriter,..."

Using Kickstarter or some other crowd-funding site has become a legitimate way to raise money for various projects. I assumed the group's members could discuss and determine if they wanted to contribute or not. I have often seen requests on the forum soliciting support for a newly launched book, or asking for a review on Amazon or some other effort to help a member's book project.

I gave permission for Mikira to post something about her campaign on the site so this did not violate the site's terms and conditions. The clause in the member agreement really refers more to soliciting an unrelated business or a competitive business and not actual writing produced on the site. 

Sol

That should clarify it. Thanks. Take care. Vern

SolN wrote:

I see no problem at all with someone who has developed their book on the site and spent the time to help others (as Mikira has done) putting out a call for some help promoting their book. In fact, I encourage it.

Sol

I have no problem with what has transpired, but I certainly understand the opposition's point of view since as the request for funds is presented, it does seem to conflict with at least the spirit of the membership agreement which states:

"You further agree not to utilize the Site for the purpose of advertising or solicitation without the express prior written consent of theNextBigWriter,..."

Just a thought. Take care. Vern

The only thing I could suggest would be to deactivate all your work and any email notifications. You might also leave a message with any groups or connections you have. If you have no work available it is doubtful anyone outside those you correspond/review with would be knocking at the door so to speak. Or I suppose you could ask Sol to take you out of the system temporarily if that is easily done. Best wishes. Take care. Vern

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It seems to me a simple request for someone not to comment on your work is a far better method than resorting to impersonal technology, kind of like driving a nail with sledgehammer. Take care. Vern

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KHippolite wrote:

really don't understand the clamor for having a forum for every work posted. Doesn't make sense; the majority appear, get little attention and then are never heard of again, so what would be the purpose in creating all these thousands of feedback forums above what is already available.

Yes... I see from this that my statement has been misunderstood so I'll rephrase it slightly.

What's needed is a way to attach a forum link to a particular work. For example:

[Body of Work]
[Inline Reviews]
[Reviews]
[Additional Feedback]

The additional feedback link would drop you into the forum thread associated with the work. You would be able to read & post in this forum thread without needing to join the group. You would not need to go hunt down the group / forum that was discussing this body of work. You would not need to randomly guess that there was a thread on it in the first place.

Links are good, works for me. Take care. Vern

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janet reid wrote:
SolN wrote:

If authors really want more feedback, then pray tell why don't they offer some opinion on all the comments left in the inline review instead of only a few words in the final comment section. You can agree or disagree with what was said or even offer a totally different interpretation. You can question why the reviewer sees things that weren't intended at all or show why you chose to do something a particular way and start a conversation in which others could offer various points of view. In other words, you've got a forum built into the review process just as Sol envisioned and implemented.

This is the purpose of in-lines but I don't think we are fully there yet. The problem is that there is no notification when someone posts a comments so the author and others have no reason to go back to the in-line. We're working on a new version of the in-line review system that will address this and hopefully move more towards the vision I have for the tool. I do believe this is the place to focus the site's resources as opposed to building out the forum system.

I'm struggling to get my head around the practicality of using reviews, especially in-reviews, as discussion boards.

Reason for my concern is this:  A novel with 30 chapters, and an average of 5 in-line reviews per chapter, at an average of 10 in-line comments per review = 1500 in-line comments.  I'm not even considering if a writer has more than one novel active.  If only one comment every 2 chapters is discussed in more detail, that's 15 discussions spread over 30 chapters and 1500 in-line comments.  Not mentioning if two reviewers made the same suggestion, yet one group adds their views to review A and another group theirs to review B - and in the process, you now have two of the same conversations that don't follow each other.  From a writer's perspective, especially one that do not incorporate changes as they write on, this would be impossible to manage without going mad or without missing possibly some really good feedback.

So my question is, how would someone manage this?  Email alerts will drive me nuts (but that's just me) - traffic light patterns attached to in-line comments would probably work, but it doesn't negate the navigation require to get to this.  As already mentioned, having a feedback thread in more than one group is already problematic.  And I disagree that it takes the same effort to navigate in-line reviews compared to forums (1500 comments ...) - once you're on the forum page, you're going.  (I think the clicking involved with in-line reviews have been covered, so I'm not mentioning it).  How would this make it easier?

So although this functionality of in-line reviews specifically would be great, is it really what the intent is?  I have seen this many times over where something basic, but really effective morphs into a brilliant system that simply is too complicated and cumbersome to be used for its original purpose.  Fixing this would be even more painful.

KHip's proposal to have a "Facebook" kind of interface for each novel, that isn't part of the forums, seems less complex to me (from a user perspective, not necessarily a programmer's).

So, what am I missing here?  Sol, or is this what you're working on?

From my perspective, any author can start a forum on any piece of work they wish; you don't need anything special to do so. Now if said author can get reviewers to congregate at this forum, then said author could if they wish to do so get reviewers to leave comments on the inline review. They could even appoint their most prolific reviewer as the central review for others to comment on thus creating an inline forum. As far as thirty chapters go, I for one do edits one chapter at a time, so why would  want all those comments in a regular forum mixed up and spread over thirty chapters with no way to know which chapter a given comment was relating to. For instance a reviewer could enter comments on chapter 5 while others are entering comments on chapter 29, etc. I don't really want to wade through god knows how many pages of a forum to find who made what comment on each chapter so would most llikely do it as each chapter was being reviewed anyway if that were my only choice. However, with the inline, it is already divided into chapters so I can edit at my leisure without the ever repeating necessity to fish out those comments from a regular forum.

Now Sol has said he is working on improvements for the inline review process and if one such improvement already mentioned was to be able to scroll through the comments, then that would be wonderful and would diminish even further any need for any additional forum changes. I mean I don't care if forum upgrades are made, I just don't see any need as far as making a special effort for each author's work when they can do that already - I've even suggested that some authors do so for a particular work; still hasn't come about so I'm not sure what the broad appeal would be.

As is, you have a choice to do your own forum or to use the built in forum capability of the inline review (especially with potential upgrades) so I really don't understand the clamor for having a forum for every work posted. Doesn't make sense; the majority appear, get little attention and then are never heard of again, so what would be the purpose in creating all these thousands of feedback forums above what is already available.

But to each their own.  Take care. Vern

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bimmy wrote:

I want a pony.


Wait! I got that. Nevermind. I don't need anything.

How about a new saddle or a puppy to keep the pony and/or you company? Everybody needs something, lol. Take care. Vern

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Linda Lee wrote:

I am so glad to be wrong about versioning!  His post DID generate a listing, and did offer points. I'm assuming the low point count was based on the small size of the test chapter.

Question, would this still work if he doesn't disable his original chapter?

The new published version is independent from the original, just like a new chapter; whether the original is active or disabled doesn't effect the points for the new version - if that is what you are asking. Take care. Vern

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Well, when I first read all the talk about creating a new forum for every piece of work, I really couldn't understand the need so thought I'd just sit out this particular debate , but then I kept reading different posts about how good it would be and all so I decided to go ahead and jump in. But alas it looks like Sol must've read my mind because he pretty much said everything I was going to say. But I'm gonna go ahead and regurgitate some of it anyway so as to put my vote out there should one be taken.

The problem is not that there is no forum for all this feedback bandied about; the problem is that virtually no one uses the built in forum of the inline review. Not only do most folks not respond to any of the highlighted areas within the text of the piece being reviewed, virtually no other reviewers make additional comments to the ones already made. I've made a few attempts to get some response, but so far nothing has happened so I simply quit leaving additional comments for the most part.

If authors really want more feedback, then pray tell why don't they offer some opinion on all the comments left in the inline review instead of only a few words in the final comment section. You can agree or disagree with what was said or even offer a totally different interpretation. You can question why the reviewer sees things that weren't intended at all or show why you chose to do something a particular way and start a conversation in which others could offer various points of view. In other words, you've got a forum built into the review process just as Sol envisioned and implemented.

I really don't see why Sol would entertain making any changes to the existing forum parameters when the potential for the obvious feedback choice is almost totally ignored.

That's my vote on the long ballot. Take care. Vern

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Hi, Shazzie, (cool name) When you click on a story, it will show you how many points you earn for reviewing. Generally you'll need to review roughly four stories of similar length to yours to earn enough points to publish your story. Good news is that you will also learn by reviewing others. It is easier to spot things in other works than in your own, but doing so makes it easier to spot things in your story in the future. And around and around and around we go. Take care. Vern

If you post to the Premium group, then everything requires points, so no problem. And the "free" group is being phased out (if not already) so there will be no more zero points. Simplest thing to do until all freebies are gone (if not already) is to post and read from the Premium group. Problem solved. Take care. Vern

Michelle8 wrote:

I have revised a story and changed the status from 2nd draft to final. A few reviewers expressed interest in seeing the story again after revisions. Will they be able to get points since I've changed the status? They really should - taking a second look can take as much time as a first look and is often less fun, so they should certainly get credit for their generosity. Sol, I recommend bringing back the re-publish option, too.  I don't mind paying extra points. After significant revisions it's nice to get not only a second round of comments from reviewers but a first round from people not influenced by the earlier version.

You could just publish it again with the same Title + (revised) which would also be cheaper than the old republish option. Since you don't want new readers influenced by the earlier version, it should be perfect as they would not see the earlier reviews or original material. Just a suggestion. Take care. Vern

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KHippolite wrote:

Can anyone other than the author even see that button? I've never once clicked it so I don't know.

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I don't think anyone else can see it. I've never seen it on reviews other than mine. And I just checked again; it's not there. Take care. Vern

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Hello, John, Well, yeah, they did blow it after it being handed to them on a silver platter so to speak, but to the point at hand:

There is no "republish" on this new site. Simply edit your story and "publish" it again as a new version of the same story. Take care. Vern

PS: Welcome back to the land of the living.

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Congrats! Perhaps some day I  or we all can say we know how you feel; still have my fingers crossed for the last submission. Take care. Vern

SolN wrote:

Yes, that is correct. I even went back and added "revised" to the title just in case. Thanks. Take care. Vern

Hi Vern,

I see the problem. It is not posted to TheNextBigWriter Premium. This is the group sponsoring the contest so it must be posted there to be entered.

Sol

I clicked the box for TheNextBigWriter Premium to post on three different occasions. Why else would it tell me the cost of points? I'll try again, but what else can I do?

PS: I just tried again and it worked this time. Still don't know what the difference was. Thanks. Take care. Vern

SolN wrote:

Hi Vern,

I checked it out and it should work. Let me talk to the tech guys about it. The title shouldn't make a difference.

Just to confirm, you published it as a new book, right?

Thanks,
Sol

Yes, that is correct. I even went back and added "revised" to the title just in case. Thanks. Take care. Vern

Hello, Sol, I've tried to enter The Silver Mist in the Strongest Start Competition 2015, but it keeps tellng me the publishing date is too old. I deleted the previous chapters and published the three new ones a a new book or at least attempted. It told me it cost 25.97 points which I have to spare and clicked publish but it still shows the old publish date when I click to enter the contest. What else do I need to do? Would it help to simply change the title? Does it still consider it when the older one was deleted first. Thanks. Take care. Vern

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Shearluck wrote:

Hello everyone my name is Tyler, and this is my first time ever putting my writing out there.  Not since the disturbing era of teenage fan fiction have I attempted to put anything of mine online.  Gripping paranoia of rebuke holds me back more often than I'd like to admit.  I would love for someone to show me the ropes around here, thank you very much.

Shearluck

Hello, Shear, good thing about the site is that no one can see you shaking in your boots or whatever, so test the waters and you might be surprised at the results. You will find the good, bad, and ugly comes out in reviews and you must decide what is relevant to your vision of the story. We all have opinions like some other anatomical structure, but yours is the most important. We as a community only point you in different directions to explore; that is where you learn and can also teach. Welcome and good luck. Take care. Vern

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GPyrenees wrote:

Dragon actually a pre-install. I've never tried it. Do you use it, Vern?

No, I change my mind too many times when I'm thinking before writing something. With Dragon, I'd be speaking out and then it's on paper just to have to delete and go with my next thought. But a lawyer now, you always think before speaking, so might work. Take care. Vern