Okay, I can get in by clicking on the link to new group posts from my front page, but if you go directly to the group and click on the "forum" icon for the group then you get the no permission message. So I'm guessing it has nothing to do with being a member of the group since I'm not a member and can click to this post. There must be a glitch one way or the other; either I can click on as a non member such as I did here or I can't click on as a non member directly from the group. Doesn't make sense. Take care. Vern

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Seabrass wrote:

Does anyone miss being able to read the previous reviews of a posting before writing their own? The old site had them scrolled out at the bottom. Here, you do have to go digging. In a way, that prevents a reviewer from off the cuff following the herd, I guess. But it also prevents one from seeing right off if a nit or observation has been made before, repeatedly. Just curious what everyone else thinks.

Hello, Seabrass, good to see you here. I don't as a rule read the previous reviews before doing mine - I don't want to be influenced and I think if I repeat something then it should have even more impact - so that part doesn't really bother me. I do like to sometimes read them after the fact. I mostly do the inline reviews now, but it seems like the regular reviews were listed at the bottom of the text the last time I did one; before Sol fixed it so I could actually do and see the inline reviews. But if the reviews aren't really there as I remember, then I think they should be; I mean anyone can simply ignore them like moi if they don't wish to read prior to doing a review. Take care. Vern

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GPyrenees wrote:

Your fourth choice is Young Frankenstein, Vern! You knew that, right? wink

Yeah, my fourth choice was kind of tongue and cheek since I wasn't/ain't crazy about Dudley Moore, lol. I was gonna insert a pic, but I couldn't find one with a url just for the pic and I'm a bit lacking on how to do it otherwise. Take care. Vern

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I like The Honeymooners for what that's worth. Second choice would be Christopher Lloyd. Third choice Bullwinkle. Fourth choice, Qausimodo.

Take care. Vern

corra wrote:

It sounds like your preference is non-fiction, or fiction that engages critical thinking in you, much the way a non-fiction work might. Are you simply not inspired by works beyond the site, and like the way works on this site challenge the analytic critic/writer in you? Or does the work on-site exceed the quality of the works you've experienced off-site?

I totally get the 'no time to read' thing! I'm the same, but my free time tends to go to classics and works assigned for classes.

I don't mean to drill you here! I just like knowing what inspires and doesn't inspire a person to read. Half because of my lit degree in progress, and half because of the writer in me. smile

I don't think "inspiration" by the works comes in play so much as having the time to get "inspired" by the works. I can be just as inspired by outside works - if not more so - but I simply don't have the time or desire to go out into the market place to sample things to see if I am in fact inspired to read them. That is why most of the outside books I do end up reading come through my wife or others close to me; not necessarily because they reccommend it, but I just pick it up for a moment when they are not reading and skim a passage to see if it does pull me in. If so, I'll ask to read it when they are through or taking a break from it.

Books which I seek out (primarily the types previously mentioned) basically are chosen from articles, stories, etc. I read from other sources to include newspapers, magazines, the web, etc. It is rather ironic that I mostly read non-fiction outside this site, but I love science fiction on the screen. I rarely read it because since Dune by Frank Herbert (to include the trilogy; probably my all time favorites now that I think about it) I find most of it rather boring on paper. I've stood in front of rows and rows at a book store and scanned unknown numbers but never bought one. However, on site, I've read and reviewed several novels which could be placed in a combo of scifi and/or fantasy. Though they are not generally my first choice, I occasionally run across one which engages me initially enough to where I feel I can offer something of benefit and establish a rapport with the author. I sample things randomly or quite often by comments made in the forums.

I guess I do like scrutinizing works for inconsistencies, factual errors, different ways of presenting things, etc. Doing those things keeps me more engaged than I might be if I simply bought a book to read. The book off the shelf would need to be much more intriquing in its own right to compete with what I receive through the duality of reading and reviewing on site. Hope this makes sense. Take care. Vern

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GPyrenees wrote:

I set up a feedback group and sent you an invite. Let's see how that works...

http://youtu.be/zB24z00ajU4

I've already joined as just found a post by Sol which allows us Premium Members 10 groups now. I added the first post in the forums of your new group. Take care. Vern

Edited for PS: Forgot to mention Stevie was right.

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Just wanted to be the first topic, lol. Still, while I'm here, I would suggest that any writing members include this group when publishing works and then a thread could be started for each work published. Parties could then add comments within an inline review or the forum for analysis by author and others. Take care. Vern

corra wrote:

We could have a whole thread on sex scenes! smile

"GP could start it; she loves those things," he says with a sly grin which suddenly turns to panic as he notices the evil eye he receives.

Take care. Vern

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GPyrenees wrote:

The thing is, Vern, I'd have to check too many places.  And people can only join six groups on this new site. So adding a group just for my book would probably complicate things for me, and not garner many members.

This here group of Podgers has some of my regular (and, of course, beloved!) reviewers, and the people who know me from the old site have gotta know Hamler and I have continued our conversation here. So they'll know how to find me. Plus we've got quickees (good grief, someone must've had a rough night to have come up with that name!) and PMs.

So having this thread on Genesis in this group is working fine for me now, for the moment anyway...

wink

I'm not sure I follow you about having to check too many places. All the reviews and comments would be funneled to one group - your group. But it's your call, just a suggestion on my part; I'll still be around either way. Take care. Vern

Not sure I have a favorite, but I've enjoyed such things as Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent (et al), which Brown used as a basis for The DaVinci Code; Holy Blood provided all the non-fiction research. Brown won the copyright infringement case, but I don't think he should have. Also read all The Lost Books of the Bible, plus The Gospel of Mary Magdalene as well as the recently discovered Gospel of Judas.

I've always been interested in the mistakes and contradictions of the Bible and all the things left out through canonization. My interest was really peaked in college when we studied the Graf-Wellhausen Theory which postulates that the first five books of the Bible were written in different strands woven together. I actually incorporated bits of the theory in my novel about growing up in a Baptist "orphanage."

Beyond that, in recent years I've read The Five People You Meet in Heaven by Mitch Ablom and The Shack by William Young, a very successful self-published work. And of course I'll pick up a book my wife is reading on occasion and start reading wherever she is and if it interests me I'll read when she finishes or sometimes before. Master of the Game by Sidney Sheldon and Deceptions by Judith Michael (a husband wife team I understand) are two such examples. But mostly my wife reads romance novels so I don't get too many good reads from her, lol. I do read a lot of scientific stuff from papers, magazines, or the web. But books, mostly I read on here these days. I guess that sums up my reading for now. Take care. Vern

GPyrenees wrote:

Which begs the question, Vern: What are YOU reading?! smile

I'm reading GENESIS when it's available and other ongoing works on site when not. I rarely read outside books anymore. Within my time constraints, I find these budding authors on site more rewarding and educational at this stage of life. Don't hate me for it. Take care. Vern

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(51 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GP, just some rambling thinking on how to maximize the development of Genesis through the new possibilities on this site. Suppose you start a "group" specifically for G. Whenever you publish a chapter make sure you also select this new group you create so that it will be published to that group also.

Now your regular reviewers (and others) can review G in tnbw group for review points, BUT since it will also be published to your new G group, your regulars to include moi could add comments to all other inline reviews to get different opinions and or more detailed analysis of areas in question. You of course would provide your feedback to the comments as to what you think might work and what you reject. All the back and forth would remain with that review so new comments could be added after revisions and so on. Of course this could be done without creating a new group, but having a central place for regular reviewers to meet and discuss - not only within the text of each chapter, but also outside the text in forum threads for the group where incidentally regular reviews could also be discussed  - would certainly enhance the productivity and creativity of the whole project.

Just a thought and I might use it myself at some point so could use the practice. Take care. Vern

corra wrote:

A thread for literary chatter. smile

http://www.artinthepicture.com/artists/Mary_Cassatt/stream.jpeg

Two Women Seated by a Woodland Stream (1869) - by Mary Cassatt.

You know if you look at that picture just right, the lady on the right doesn't have a head. Her hair appears as a rock out in the water. Anybody else see that? Or maybe my eyes are shredded. Take care. Vern

I notice that the summary for the group says it is accessible only by members, but it is still registered as open to public access. Not sure how these things work yet. Just a question mark rolling around in my brain - it's a small question mark. Take care. Vern

Hey, that means if I publish something and it sucks, I can blame it on the glitches. I think of it as an extra added bonus, lol. Take care. Vern

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The read menu is cool in so far as it goes with book covers and all, but there simply aren't enough choices on a page. Perhaps if it would scroll through say fifty or so works per page as opposed to what, a dozen or so, then it would be so much more efficient to check for works which haven't just been published when you decide to log on. It is a pain to have to click through so many pages to get to a point where you are comfortable that you've already seen all those works listed before - you don' feel like you missed something just because you weren't able to check in for a few days.

It's kind of the same argument from the old site where everyone wanted their work listed on the front page and didn't want to take time to go to the "read and review" where lots of works were readily available. Limiting the works to so few listed on the first page only encourages people to adopt the same habit/mindframe which is counterproductive imho.

But, hey, the site just opened and we can't expect everything to be perfect for everyone at the outset - or at any point. Still some bugs, but I'm getting more comfortable all the time. Good job to date. Take care. Vern

PS: Wheee, all the delays are finally behind us. Just a little more patience for the bugs, folks.

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(51 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GPyrenees wrote:

K, Vern,

We can blame it on the Henny. wink

I've just posted ch 9 of Genesis. I'd love your comments. Bald-faced request, here. I pulled an all-nighter (my usual m.o. when I'm actually in the zone), so i'm hoping it was worth losing sleep over...

Any Podgers wanna stop on by ch 9 and tell me whatcha thinkin?

Thanksssss....!

smile

Actually already read it this morning . I most always read it through before starting my review and then go through again to make notes. I will get to the review pronto. Take care. Vern

corra wrote:
SolN wrote:

Looking at it now, I don't think this is actually the ideal system and I am going to simplify it. Once you pay points to post it in one credit group, you can post it in any other credit or free group.

Sol

Sounds good. Thanks sir. smile

Sol, I agree it sounds good on paper, but I'm not quite clear on how this change is going to work. As I understand it, at present each group can decide what "credits" if any are required to post within that group. So if the above change is made does that mean one could post something in a very low credit group and then it is also posted in all other groups for no additional credits even though other groups might require more credits for posting? Inquiring minds want to know. I can see it is going to take some time to get all the wrinkles ironed out. Good luck. Take care. Vern

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(40 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

Hi, GP, I think I left the wrong impression for the opening of ch 1 in my inline review. I've added a remark inline to hopefully clarify my thinking. I'll blame it on this new avenue letting us zip through comments and allowing my fingers to type faster than my brain operates. I'll be more careful in the future. Take care. Vern

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With a nod toward GP's nostalgic photos of Gleason and Carney, I recommend TO THE MOON as an apt name for the this group - classic in all ways. Take care. Vern

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Well, GP, seems like my in-line review went to chapter 1 instead of 8; wondered why we were back at the beginning, lol; got to really watch what I click on this new site til I get the hang of it. Well, anyway, I'll get to the right chapter here shortly barring any more snafus. Take care. Vern

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(40 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

John Hamler wrote:

Hey, Vern! Welcome!


Okay, so you revised chapter 8 and it cost you points? Or do you mean you re-published it? There's a difference, I hope. And I dunno what Vern is talking about with the group that doesn't charge points to post thing. I haven't quite wrapped my mind around the idea of "groups" yet.

Cheers

If you use more words in your edit, then it will cost more points, whereas previously you could add as many words up to the limit without costing any more points; ergo, some (intentionally or not, might post a very short piece costing very few points and then go back and edit it into a very long piece without paying those extra points and also not giving the full credit for those who reviewed it after the revision since they were reviewing a lot more words and only getting credit for reviewing the much shorter original - if that makes sense.

The group thing: You can form a "group" just as this and within that group (you can leave it open to anyone or restrict membership according to your whims) you can choose to charge points for publishing works for review and give credits for reviewing or let members publish and review for free. Yeah, I don't know how it's gonna work either; seems like there will be a lot of divided attention, but who knows.

That's my take anyway. Take care. Vern

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(40 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GPyrenees wrote:

Hey did you look at my revised ch 8? I added stuff, and was charged points to edit here. Don't know if you get any points to re-read but I tend to doubt it....

wink

I didn't notice the revision until you pointed it out; thanks. Yeah, I think I got a fraction of a point, but that doesn't matter, would've done it anyway for free. You know you can actually post it to a group (you could start one or join another) that doesn't charge points to post if you wish. That way you wouldn't have to wait on earning the credits to post. Just a thought. Take care. Vern

Edited to add ().

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Oh, btw, I like the poltergeist image; fitting - the brown stuff not so much, kinda the way I felt after being plugged up for four days after my surgery, lol. Take care. Vern

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Well, I don't know if you did it right since I found my way in anyway, lol. Okay, so is this going to be the official thread to continue the march into the record book. I'm subscribing just in case. Take care. Vern

Edited for PS: If you want more public participation, I think this thread should be in the general nbw group rather than a seperate group; for what it's worth, but then don't really know how things are going to spell out on here.