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(264 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

I posted the comparison link for Premium vs Basic in a forum thread a little over a week ago, but who would ever know or find it. There were a grand total of two other people responding in the thread:
http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forums/ … tml#p10570

Just saying, and I know Sol has nixed any changes, but it might say something about the versatility of finding info in the forums. If it wasn't for the "show your posts" link, I probably would have never found it again to show here. Take care. Vern

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(23 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

j p lundstrom wrote:

Vern--don't get mad.

I would never get mad over anything like this; I only try to clarify questions posed and my sometimes obviously not so clear explanations. Take care. Vern

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(23 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

J T-P wrote:  If it takes 7 points for a poem, the review reward should be comparable.

As previously stated the review reward is comparable, just not the same point system as for short story/novels. But the ratio is the same. I've made the comparison several times on the old site, so not going to waste any more time republishing. You can test it yourself. Simply post a poem and compare the credits someone will receive to the credits it cost you to post. Do the same with a short story/novel. You should find that in both cases, you would need to review almost exactly the same number of works in order to get enough points to publish a work of the same length - that number is 4 or so it was on the old site the best I recall (exact number is really irrelevant) and I assume (since I'm not redoing the experiment for the umpteenth time) it is the same on this site barring any glitches.

In other words if you review four poems of the same number of words of the one you wish to publish, then you will earn almost the exact number of points to publish that poem. The same is true of a short story/novel chapter. So they are comparable in ratio; they just seem different when you try to jump from one to the other which is not how the system is set up. If you wish to publish a poem, review poems; if you wish to publish short story/novels then review those and they provide the exact same benefit. If you really want to scam the system, then review only poems and publish short story/novels for the greatest bang for the points on a per word basis. Go in the opposite direction, you're running uphill. Take care. Vern

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(23 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

j p lundstrom wrote:

Vern, are you saying that it costs more to post a poem than prose? and that the reason is to keep a balanced activity? and you are comparing that to artificial stabilization of currency? If I post a poem and label it "Short story," does that circumvent the artificially elevated rates? If, as I have seen, one posts a deconstructed poem (presented in prose form) and calls it "short story," will that cheat the system? And if we can cheat the system, was there ever any real reason to impose such a system?

And finally, should I get the status of Mama, Trains and Pickup Trucks changed to no points? It was meant to provide a source of amusement, not rip off hard-working writers who just want to take a little break and have fun.

Yes, if you post a poem as a short story or novel chapter, then you will "cheat" the system; assuming you are talking about a short poem and not an epic poem, then the very few words would require a fraction of the cost to post those same words as a poem.

You can cheat any system as you should be aware with all the hacking going on in the news. Why impose such a system in the first place is a rather meaningless question unless you think that everything must be done the same way. We write our stories the way we see fit, Sol makes his rules according to what he envisions. We don't all do things the same way; the most we can hope for is to be like Frank and at the end of the day, we can say, "I did it my way." Take care. Vern

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(46 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GPyrenees wrote:

Who knows, it may turn to shit too.

I'll be slugging away at it with another post on the site, in a week or so...then you can tell me without being too mean (like Vern, lol)
wink

I'm telling you, I don't read shit; if I enjoy it, it's marketable, period. So, you don't need any toilet paper for this book, you just need to finish it. But, yes, I will give you hell with the reviews. Take care. Vern

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(23 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Poems vs novels/short story points: This has been bandied about many times and I doubt Sol is going to change it this time either. The problem is you're comparing apples to oranges as far as points are calculated. But if you review and write only poetry, your ratio of points to publish over points received to review will be almost exactly what you receive to publish and review novels or short stories. Do the math and you will see. How the points are calculated exactly on a per word basis doesn't really matter, it is set up and Sol has explained it before, to keep a more balanced activity between the two different worlds. Think of it as a currency exchange; if you earn money in one country, it is not going to be worth the same amount in another country. So too, on this site, if you earn points in poetry and try to spend them in novels or vice versa, the rate exchange is not going to be the same no matter how much one thinks it unfair. Take care. Vern

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(32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Mike Roberson wrote:

Some of you "old heads" forgive me ladies.  Experienced reviewers and writers answer this question.  I have gleaned from reviews I have received and given that there are two ways of reviewing.  The writer who is looking to lure a publisher should write by all the rules and write to the quirks and whims of a professional publisher.  The writer who is looking to self publish has a little more freedom to shall we say challenge the rules of thumb, so to speak.  Would it help any of you more experienced reviewers if you knew specifically what type of publishing the writer is going to seek?  It seems to me a self publish review could be done in less time with less attention to problems that may not occur when self publishing.  I would like to know the answer if for not other reason than to get this idea out of my head.  Thanks Mike

You might call me an "old head" just don't do it to my face, lol. To the point, what difference should it make how a book will be published? I'm of course assuming you want it to be bought and read and appreciated however it is published. And to that end, I would assume you would like the best advice a reviewer might be able to give whether you end up using it or not.

I do not and would not change the way I review even if I knew - which I don't unless someone comes out and tells me - how you intend to publish. From what I perceive, most authors on site are going or will go the self-pub route simply because it is way easier and faster to do so and in fact is probably the only way most of us will get published although I still hold out stubbornly for the traditional route.

I review with the intent of giving the most enlightening suggestions I possibly can to help create a more viable story from a mass marketing viewpoint. Of course I'm no expert, but that is the goal and hope that would be the goal for any who reviews me - all we have is our honest opinion of what works or doesn't. And to that end, it makes absolutely no difference in the method of publication as to how I for one undertake a review. Take care. Vern

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(32 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Not the first time and pretty sure it won't be the last, but I'm going against the grain here. I just don't see adding extra points for the later chapters making any significant difference. If someone is reviewing the story merely for points, probably not the best confidence builder. Extra points for later chapters would make no difference to me; if I'm going to review it, then I'll review it regardless.

I treat reciprocal expectation the same way; if I enjoy the work it will make no difference if the author reciprocates or not. I've reviewed several with little or no reciprocation and I've been reviewed by several with little reciprocation - I'm talking entire novels here, not just a few chapters or a short story.

If I were going to pay beyond the predetermined point value, I'd simply hire a professional editor after sampling some of their work to make sure it is what I would expect for the outlay. That is not to say some on this site would not do just as good a job, but very few would if we look at it realistically. And if someone meets your criteria on site you could at least suggest a private arrangement for payment in whatever currency was mutually satisfactory - if points were all they wanted, you could simply let them do drive-by reviews ( to include copy and paste) of everything you write without even reading and stock up the credits until the payment is fulfilled. Just paying someone points from a built up stash is not going to entice very many great reviewers imo. Most of the great reviewers have (or will shortly) accumulated more points than they will probably ever need. And as said, cash could be worked out privately with anyone willing and acceptable.

From a logical standpoint, what would be the difference in actual reviews received if more points were added for later chapters. That would not mean they are going to magically read all your chapters any more than they already are; after all, everybody else is getting those extra points for their chapters too and any mass change in reading patterns is highly unlikely. Everything would still be relatively the same.  I don't see any advantage in the suggested changes, but that is just my opinion. Take care. Vern

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(342 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Norm d'Plume wrote:

In doing inline reviews, I often leave two or more comments for the same selected word or sentence (for separate feedback about the same item). I then write my closing comments, which can be long. Today, I wanted to read those secondary and tertiary comments, so I clicked on x-line to see all of them. My very long closing comments were wiped out. Fortunately, I suspected that might happen, so I copied the closing comments to the clipboard. I was then able to paste them back in. Since x-lines are available when leaving reviews, this could easily burn someone. Not sure if there is an easy fix.

Actually, there is an easy fix. Just go ahead and close your review before checking the x-line. Then your closing comment will be saved. You can always go back and add to your comments even after closing. Take care. Vern

New members get 7 days free Premium membership. Click the link to see the differences between Premium and Basic:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/member/ … comparison

Take care. Vern

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(37 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

j p lundstrom wrote:

? It's like going for a walk in the country and having to climb over logs!

As stated earlier, if a prologue is done well, it's totally fine, if not then it doesn't work, but JP, how can you expect to go for - or enjoy - a walk in the country without crossing some logs; you just as well be strolling the city streets, lol. Take care. Vern

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(90 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GPyrenees wrote:

How the heck are you, anyway, Vern???

wink

I was alright for a while - :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQrgeeS_qbo - but then someone quit posting and left all alone with nothing to review, so now I'm crying .... Take care. Vern

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(90 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GPyrenees wrote:

Saw Bette Midler at Madison Square Garden last Friday. Probably not your cuppa but man, she sure can sing even if she's a little worn around the edges. Hey we all get older, even you.  wink  I had front row seats, natch. 

Here she is, toward the end of the show, with Darlene Love (the security guys were driven about stopping people from taking photographs and videos, so this is the best one I could find on YouTube -  you know I don't watch concerts virtually, when I'm sitting right there!) :

http://youtu.be/zMEA7iqLE6M

Love the Divine M - two of the best songs ever written: The Rose and Wind Beneath My Wings (yeah, I can do those) - but forget Bette and DL in that video and give me the gal dressed in orange. I'm sure you can figure which one I mean who steals the show immo. Take care. Vern

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(37 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

There are no concrete rules to writing a good story whether you're talking prologues, grammar, punctuation, dialogue, whatever; if you make it enticing to the reader, then they will read and if not, they won't. Pretty simple really, in a complicated way. Take care. Vern

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(342 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

njc wrote:

  But the way the inline-comment system works, the comment is started as soon as the capture occurs, and there is no chance to correct it.  Add the limit that you cannot overlap comment captures and this becomes a major obstacle to saying what you are trying to say about what you're trying to say it about.

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It is a pain in the ass. I have been able at times to cancel the original highlight and go back and try from one end or the other or even inside a particular word and get it to accept what I really want, but that is still a long shot and with a lot of unnecessary work which results in my just throwing up my hands most of time and just try to explain my intent in the comments. It is teaching me patience - very slowly - while expanding my four letter vocabulary exponentially, lol. Take care. Vern

janet reid wrote:
vern wrote:

The drabble, which is what this contest is, equates to 100 words period. All the other mistakes such as the "members" already corrected and the "200 words" which as already mentioned is for the double drouble, an entirely different animal for contest purposes, are all just that, obvious mistakes. All these errors/incongruences come about because the powers that be simply copy rules from previous contests without going through and making the appropriate changes. And of course it could all be an intentional ploy to increase our editing skills by finding these mistakes, but since it happens on almost every new contest, it really isn't that effective in improving our powers of observation. We know it is the same mistakes over and over, so we simply gloss over it and abide by the rules as we know they should actually be stated for a particular contest of this type. Or conversely we can apply for the proofreaders job. Anyone know how much it pays? Take care. Vern

Hah! But how to know whether it should be 100 words (and not 200) or whether it is indeed a a double drabble contest and not a drabble contest Vern?!

I guess the job is yours if you know the answer to that. My guess is it would pay something like one month's premium membership for every 100 contests "checked". Quite lucrative. wink

The contest is the Apple DRABBLE so by definition is 100 words. I think I'll have to wait on a better offer for the job, lol. Take care. Vern

The drabble, which is what this contest is, equates to 100 words period. All the other mistakes such as the "members" already corrected and the "200 words" which as already mentioned is for the double drouble, an entirely different animal for contest purposes, are all just that, obvious mistakes. All these errors/incongruences come about because the powers that be simply copy rules from previous contests without going through and making the appropriate changes. And of course it could all be an intentional ploy to increase our editing skills by finding these mistakes, but since it happens on almost every new contest, it really isn't that effective in improving our powers of observation. We know it is the same mistakes over and over, so we simply gloss over it and abide by the rules as we know they should actually be stated for a particular contest of this type. Or conversely we can apply for the proofreaders job. Anyone know how much it pays? Take care. Vern

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(10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)

A.T.Schlesinger wrote:

Vern!

You have an avatar!

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Told you I would get one with the new site or another thousand or so posts whichever came first; the new site barely won only because it had a two year head start, lol. Take care.

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(10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)

You'd probably get more and better choices if you Google it. You should be able to find one for the type editing you want and hopefully within the price range. I would suggest having them do a sample of a couple chapters or so to make sure it is what you are looking for as there are many different levels of substance and quality running amok out there. One might lean more toward grammar and punctuation where another might be more inclined to focus on plot, pace, transition, etc. You might want a line by line or more of an overview. Good luck. Take care. Vern

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Vern, surely there was never any doubt that I would respond. :-)

I need to adjust the wording I use in the book's next draft. I think it's more correct to say they're destined to lead the quest, without knowing if they'll succeed. Even that isn't quite right, since one of them is given the option to walk away even before he begins.

Ahh, but if he walks away, then that is his destiny and always was. If he changes his mind again, then that is and always was his destiny (and yours for writing it thus), and so on and so on. You can never escape, lol. Take care. Vern

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(83 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Of course anyone/everyone will always live up to their destiny/fate. I mean, by definition, whatever they do or happens to them, it is inevitably their destiny/fate. So no, you can't escape it because it is simply what you end up doing or experiencing and the only way to escape that is to not exist. It in no way means things are preordained or such, it merely means that no matter what happens then that is/was your destiny/fate. So my destiny was to answer this question, yours will be however you respond to it or not. The same logic is true for your characters; no matter how you write them, it is their destiny/fate emanating from yours.  Take care. Vern

One huge advantage is the fact that we're not waiting years on this new site while navigating the glitches and shortcomings of the old. Improvements from our suggestions can be made (or not) without waiting for this place to come into existence. It is here now to tweak and make even better as our voices are heard and answered with a dash of wisdom and a pinch of economics. Take care. Vern

Norm d'Plume wrote:

I use Premium for certain posts (e.g., "I need a futurist/biologist/chemist/geneticist for the year 4017") that logically belong in the sci-fi group, but the experts I need aren't necessarily members of that group. I'm not sure there's an ideal solution for that one.

! :-)

Actually there is/was a pretty ideal solution. The central forums from days of yore had a specific category, Ask the Expert. That's where you posted such questions and generally received valuable and useful input from various members with varying credentials and viewpoints. And therein lies the rub. You post such a question now and many will never see it or when someone asks something similar later you can't find the original thread to refer them to so folks end up repeating the same answer offered previously or else decide the hell with it, I just answered that question last week. And on and on. Take care. Vern

amy s wrote:

The only thing I would find helpful is to have the most recent commenter listed after each topic. We used to have that on the old site, so it might not be a big deal to change. That way, if it isn't my name, I know to check out the post.

It does give you the most recent commenter under the Last Post column:

Today 08:23:46
by amy s

Take care. Vern

A long stretch of my two cents on a few of things discussed in this thread:

Most active vs most recent posts: For starters, “most active” can be a bit of a misnomer. Assuming you define “most active” as the threads with the most responses, then you could have old threads with many responses in the past which are not really “active” in the present. Yet, they would stay at the top of the list indefinitely if threads were arranged in order of activity. That makes no sense to me.

As is, posts are listed as the most recent (other than the few stickies). This makes sense since most of the time that is what we are looking for, not something that was active last week or last month or whenever. If a thread continues to receive responses even every few days or so, it will still remain near the top of the list of threads.

Link to start of thread or last post: I suppose it would be nice to be able to choose where you wanted to go, beginning or end, but … wait, you can do that fairly simply as it stands for those listed on the front page or not. If you click on the individual threads listed under a group, then that will take you to the start of that thread. But if you would rather go directly to the last post of that thread, then you’ve got one additional click, but lots more options from there. Instead of the individual thread, click on NEW FORUM POST under the Premium group or GROUP FORUM under other groups. From there you get a list of all the threads under that group and you can choose if you want to start at the beginning or end of the thread. If you wish to start at the beginning, then click on the title of the thread. If you wish to start with the last post of the thread then click on “Last Post” to the far right which surprisingly will take you to, ta da, the last post of that thread.

Show Your Posts: One thing to keep in mind regardless of how posts are listed now or may be in the future is that you can click on Show Your Posts to quickly see threads in which you have participated and may want to browse again. I use it quite often, but from comments, it doesn’t seem to be effectively utilized in the search for older threads.

Shelves:  I would agree that shelving the shelves would be an easy fix to free up more space for more forum links on the front page. And since they are ones listed by our connections, they could easily just be attached to our connections pages should we be interested to take a look. But I’m not sure why we actually need to free up more space for forum links and if we do need more space, why not simply have one link to a group forum rather than list that group’s individual most recent posts. More times than not there is not any activity even listed under the forum groups other than Premium. There are four other groups listed on my front page and no new threads have been listed in any of them for at least two days and some lots longer. That is a major waste of space if that is a concern. Still, it is not in itself a big deal imo.

Central Forum Issues: I agree wholeheartedly with Linda Lee that the most meaningful and entertaining forum is something like the old site central meeting place. Although I am well aware of the possibility, yea, probability, that “issues” will/do develop, the pros greatly outnumber the cons in this scenario. Of course differences of opinion are going to arise and words sometimes exchanged in the heat of the moment, but very rarely does it come to the point where the entire thread needs to be shut down. Most folks remain at least tolerable while defending a position. And if the “enter at your own risk” (so to speak) experiment in the latter days of the old site doesn’t always work, then a last resort solution to curb overzealous remarks could be imposed on a case by case basis with whatever moderator option is deemed necessary. A bad apple here or there shouldn’t spoil our appetite for the other delicious fruits of our labor. As far as changes to the number of links to forums on the front page (or other suggestions within this thread), if it is a simple/economical fix for Sol, and it is a priority for a lot of folks, then I would say do it. For me personally though, the greatest and bestest fix would be the Central Forum discussed.

Just my opinion as always. Take care. Vern