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(7 replies, posted in Thriller/Mystery/Suspense)

Hey all,
Not sure if this group is still active or not, but I am about to embark (finally) on the first rewrite of my crime fiction novel, Sister Margaret's One Big Lie. I could really use a few more eyes on the draft if you have the time. Let me know how I can return the favor. Thanks!

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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol & njc--In an attempt to quote and respond to a post by njc, I think I clicked report instead. Please ignore.

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(7 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

GPyrenees wrote:

Linda heyyyy!

I see you've got some new work posted - I'll get on it when I get home next week, okay?

smile

Hey Girl!  I found myself with a rare afternoon off and decided to take a crack at a superhero entry. It's a bit out-of-the-box, but was fun to write.  I have Genesis on the top of my list to get back to reading so you'll be hearing from me whether you want it or not smile

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(7 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

I was under the impression that vern's narrative was largely done in Limited Omni--in which case, he doesn't have any pov issues going on at all as written. While I agree switching a lot, particularly in close proximity, can become a bit schizophrenic feeling, but I never once got that impression during my read.

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(28 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

So sorry for your loss, Max. Sending you love and light.

I've been attempting to communicate with Sol in email about this topic. I'm not sure what, if anything, will come of it, but he doesn't appear to be keen (at all) on going back to a static header styled forum despite the need/desire.  I did suggest that perhaps he could consider giving us a choice in group creation for having that type of forum. Then at least group communication wouldn't have to suffer the needle in a haystack scenario.

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(10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Welcome!

Hey Voodoo

What I did for learning dialogue was to read everything I could get my hands/eyes on. It helped tons, but honestly what helped me the most was recognizing what each article or book on the subject had in common. Then, after jotting down those key points, I went searching through my bookshelf and read snippets of dialogue from authors I admired. I tried to figure out what they did to their dialogue to be so effective. Ironically enough, each positive thing I could recognize was on my key point list. I hung onto that list (I had it taped to the wall by my writing desk) for a while but it has since filtered into the abyss that is my file cabinet.

The three things that were burned into my memory from that list are as follows:

1. Realistic doesn't necessarily mean real. Effective dialogue is suppose to give the impression of real speech, not mimic how we really speak. Good dialogue needs realistic factors like fragmented speech patterns and subtext, but overdoing it becomes both confusing and taxing to the reader.

2. Know and learn the art of subtext. Sometimes what we don't say is far more powerful than what we do.

3. (one of the hardest to do well) Keep exposition to a bare minimum. And when you do need to use it, don't force it--it will come off as fake or stiff.

To make your own list, do several Google searches under; writing effective dialogue, writing realistic dialogue, writing basic dialogue etc.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

I agree wholeheartedly as a stop gap measure to improve the current forum. BUT I'm still championing having a single central forum with sticky headers.

I know from talking to Sol about this in the past, he isn't fond of that type of central forum because people tend to congregate and 'issues' break out. However, for each 'issue' that ever arose, there were hundreds of posts that were helpful, meaningful, productive, and entertaining. It gave us a solid sense of community that we no longer have, and now after many months on this new site it's clear that it is the #1 thing most members are still missing/wanting.

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(11 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

To all that have/are reviewing me, and all those I've been reviewing--my apologies for being so sluggish of late. With the death of my closest sibling, and inheriting the full time care of my mother, me-time has been very difficult to come by. Bear with me--I will be attempting to create a schedule that everyone can live with as soon as the dust begins to settle.

I always wondered how many other people did this because I do it a lot in my writing. Most of my characters are a fictionalized amalgamation of real people. Same goes for certain events. If a real life event/situation is stuck in my head, it almost always comes out, in some form, in my writing.

I use Scrivener--it's got a deep learning curve but once you're through it, it's a very powerful piece of software. I LOVE that I can compile to nearly every available format. I love the organizational tools. Someone else mentioned it not having a strong spell/grammar check feature, but it does. I'm no where near knowing the program well, but I certainly know it well enough now to appreciate what a great piece of software it is. I recommend it highly.

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(9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Unfortunately, as others have said, this site isn't very review friendly if you don't put in some quality reciprocal work first. And by quality, I mean earnest effort. It also might help you to consider that everyone has to go through that exact same process. It takes time to build up connections because everyone here is splitting their time between writing, reviewing, and living life.

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(7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

I wish I had the capacity to split my brain/concentration to work on many lengthy projects at once. I can do that with shorts but not with novels. You should celebrate the fact that you can, JP!

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(13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

It's a great addition, but I can easily see the confusion that njc experienced. The main red Print button should open an option box instead of defaulting you to printing the entire story. The teeny tiny black print icon, where you do actually get some printing options, is very hard to find unless you know to look for a tiny black icon like I did.

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(20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

I echo Wilma's post. I saw your entry pretty early on and knew it would be difficult to beat. I'm so pleased my gut was right. Congrats on a much deserved win!!

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(5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hi Sol,

I entered the site today and had to update my billing. In the process I had to pay the new price for the site. I remember your saying that the long-term members from the old site were being grandfathered under the old rate. What happened to that? If it's a glitch, could you please look into it?  Thanks

Thanks Sol!

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(27 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

You have singer woes, I always have bass player woes. Damn flaky musicians!

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(2 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)

So many new members often get frustrated by how the review process works on this site. Here's a list to consider when you find yourself feeling overwhelmed, or confused:

Giving critique

1. This site is a reciprocal workshop that depends upon a willingness to give before taking. You must invest in reviewing others before you'll get reviewed in kind. But DON'T get offended or automatically assume that everyone WILL return the favor. Some writers are reviewing multiple projects and may not have time to devote to you. Others may not find your genre to their liking. And there are others who that will only reciprocate with similarly skilled writers. There are a myriad of reasons why many writers will, or won't get involved in a project. Don't take it personal. It takes time to build writing relationships and gain a following.

2. When writing a review, never assume anything. Just review to the best of your ability and hope it's helpful to the writer. Some writers on this site are seasoned pros who workshop their drafts here. Some are here to polish their final edits. Some are beginners who are just learning to construct a novel. You never know for sure where on the skill spectrum a writer, or a piece of work falls, so don't assume anything.

3. Respect that every writer has their own process. Some writers will incorporate suggestions on the site as reviews come in. Others will make changes on their master manuscript but not on the site. Some writers won't consider any suggestions until their writing is complete. Don't judge, make assumptions, or have expectation about when/how a writer should consider your suggestions--accept that they have a process that works for them, and respect it.

4. Don't shy away from mentioning trouble spots just because other reviewers have mentioned it. Trends (good and bad) can only be spotted if multiple reviewers take the time to mention them. If a potential trouble area only bugs one reviewer, the writer could chalk that feedback up to bias, taste or style. But if that same area bugs 5 people of varying tastes and styles, then it becomes a trend--they might overlook the trend if you fail to mention it.  And, if you don't feel like being repetitive about a trouble area because someone else has covered it well in their review, then just mention you saw it as an issue too.

5. All feedback is extremely valuable. If you aren't confident with the different types, or are just beginning, one of the best kinds of reviews to give are those that encompass the overall reading experience; likes, dislikes, what you did or didn't understand easily, if you liked their style, or if it hooked you etc.



Receiving Critique

1. Thank every single reviewer. Even the ones that piss you off, or aren't as helpful as you hoped.
2. Reviews, even the tough ones, are about the work. They are NOT personal attacks about you.
3. Realize that it takes a long time to develop a tough enough skin, not to take things personally. We've all been there.
4. Resist the urge to get defensive. Most reviewers are just being honest about their observations and don't need, nor expect you to defend your choices.
5. It's okay to disagree, but unless or until you've developed a relationship with a reviewer, there's no need to seriously engage a reviewer about the ways in which you disagree.
6. Not all reviews, or reviewers are correct. Remember, you rarely know the skill level of the person offering you advise--so don't assume everything they say is gospel. Educate yourself before acting.   
7. When you are first starting out, resist the urge to tailor your writing to suit feedback. Educate yourself and earnestly learn your weakness and strengths before incorporating too many suggestions. Eventually, you'll learn to incorporate feedback that speaks loudest to your weaknesses and you won't trample over your innate strengths in the process.

Numbers 6 &7 are the most difficult and important lessons to learn when you are new to the process. Some new writers gain a little bit of knowledge and find it difficult to accept feedback of any type. Others go in assuming that everyone else knows better and rush to incorporate every little suggestion into their work--then end up with a holy mess that isn't even of their own vision or making.

Relax and know that eventually, you WILL develop filters that will aid you in developing a sense of when it's best to consider feedback, or dismiss it. And how to best incorporate those suggestions into your work.

Good luck!

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(46 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

My two cents...

1. I echo putting connections listing at the top. This would help encourage new members to make connections in order to populate their list.

2. One thing I haven't seen suggested, which might be something worth considering, is to adopt a newcomer mentoring program. Hooking newcomers with a premium member for a short set amount of time would go a long way to help teach them the early ins and outs. If you offered bonus points, or $$ off the account fee in exchange for this service, I'm sure plenty of us long timers would be willing to sign up to be a mentor. We could teach them the basics and help introduce them and their works around to our connections. In the very least, we could pound home the reciprocal review concept so they aren't blindsided by lack of response to their postings.

3. Initially, I loved the ideas of covers--now that I see them in practical use, I'm far less enthusiastic. It's not a huge deal either way, but a listing of newly posted works similar to the old site was FAR more appealing. As someone suggested above, the covers could still be seen when you click into a work.

4. Thank you for all you do.

LeeAnn

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(27 replies, posted in Old forums)

Looks impressive!

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(7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

As long as you 'Saved' the inline review and haven't "Submitted" it yet, the incomplete review will still be there if you go into the 'REVIEW" section from your drop down menu--find the review in question, click into it and finish before submitting. FYI you can also go in and amend submitted reviews too.

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(22 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Congrats Madison!!!  I still think about that novel fondly--which is a testament to your story telling skills!  I hope sales are everything you deserve for such a fine tale.

Edited to add: left an Amazon review.

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(5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)

Thanks allenl--that link wasn't working for the longest time.