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(20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

I'll take a winning lotto number too!

Janet, it's the same principle at play as when you choose a car you like ...and suddenly you start noticing them all over the road. You learn just enough about something to suddenly take notice. It takes a while to adjust too. You may never stop seeing the flaws, but sooner or later you'll learn to adjust your perception enough to read past them for enjoyment sake.

This is the correct link :

http://old.thenextbigwriter.com/index.html

You can access the forums from there easily.

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(10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Elisheva Free wrote:

Yikes! I'd have a hard time keeping track across so many books. Kudos to you, Janet.

I have a few chapters that are just outlines while some are partially filled in and still others are nearly complete. Most of them are fairly close to one another, but sometimes I end up almost completing, say, Chapters 4 and 5, while Chapter 3 is very nearly a blank page.

-Elisheva

That's not a bad thing if you are still in the drafting phase. Discipline can kick into high gear once the drafting is done and the rewrites begin smile

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(10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Great question!  As someone else mentioned, I write according to where the muse takes me. Sometimes that ends up being chronological, sometimes not. The only time I fight the muse and remain strictly chronological is when I'm making an edit pass on plot. I find it nearly impossible to keep track of continuity issues if I jump around during a plot edit.

Congrats, it was a good one!

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(99 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

You nailed it Dill. The X-factor is everything. Once an author sells a premise enough to allow the reader to immerse, there's almost nothing they can do that will turn us off enough to walk away without finishing. If there is one thing that being a long-term member here has taught me, it's to put aside my preconceived notions. Strong story telling, regardless my usual tastes, biases, or preferred reading genres, always wins me over.  So much so in fact, that I still get surprised it.

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vern wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:

All that said, [ahem vern], I'm also not opposed to dipping my nib in the formula ring. I've written several romantic leaning novels which are not only highly formulaic, they're quite limiting in terms of attaining selfish satisfaction. Yet, I'm no less proud to have completed them. Mainly because I found writing in a strict formula framework to be as challenging to pull off well as pantsing can be. In some ways I'm even more proud of those novels because not only did I find the challenge fun, I came away feeling humbled by how difficult disciplined writing can be.

Hi, LL, if I could write to the formulae and make a few million, I would be wearing my fingers to a nub on the keys, lol. My wife reads romance novels all the time. If she's not working, she can go through two or three in day. But here's the kicker; on more than one occasion, she's gotten almost to the end of a book and realized she'd already read it. So, I naturally have to pick on them.

BTW, since we're in the superhero contest, do you realize the number of characters in the Superman's superhero world whose initials are LL as your pen name. Did you choose Linda Lee because it was Supergirl's secret identity? Here are a few more LLs in that alliterative world:

Wow...very cool list smile  And your wife is in very good company--it's the highest selling genre on the planet.

I chose LL because it was my sister's name and she never got to finish my first novel. But now that I know it's also Supergirl's secret identity, I love it even more!

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(8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Thank you vern, that's all I need. Perfect!

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If there's an inline button at the top, I'm not seeing it. I just went and checked.   And no, it's not a gigantic issue to scroll, but I'm noticing on full novel reviews, it does become an irritation.  I even tried using the small "next" button hoping it would keep me in IN-line mode for the next chapter and no joy.

Having the button at the top or bottom will not effect anyone who is still deciding if they want to review something. But it would make it tons more efficient for those who go into a next chapter already knowing they're going to review it.

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(8 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sol, would it be possible to include the REGULAR REVIEW & INLINE REVIEW buttons on the top of chapters as well as the bottom?  I know it's a small thing, but 98% of the time I click into a title, I know going in that I'm going to review it. Having to click in, scroll to the bottom, click becomes cumbersome. Half the time I've forgotten to scroll to click into the in-line pane and try to highlight text before I'm in the review mode. Then I lose my place, yada, yada, yada. It's frustrating.

Any chance?

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Dill, I never disagreed with my husband, I found a way to reconcile it is all. I didn't care if my work was compared to others. Most of the time the comparison would be a good thing. In the literary world, comparisons, particularly of those you admire, are a much sought after thing. Complimentary comparisons are the gold standard for authors tout to the hilt in terms of marketing.

I've never set out to write like authors I admire, or write music like artists I covet, but I do endeavor to evoke a similar feeling. It's that wonderful sense of soul satisfaction when something you've read, or listened to strikes a chord within you. If I can feel that way about one of my own finished works, it's a success, regardless of what others have to say. Selfish? Probably, but it's my most powerful motivator. I'll work tirelessly to come away feeling something genuine--and if I don't, it gets scrapped or reworked until I do.

All that said, [ahem vern], I'm also not opposed to dipping my nib in the formula ring. I've written several romantic leaning novels which are not only highly formulaic, they're quite limiting in terms of attaining selfish satisfaction. Yet, I'm no less proud to have completed them. Mainly because I found writing in a strict formula framework to be as challenging to pull off well as pantsing can be. In some ways I'm even more proud of those novels because not only did I find the challenge fun, I came away feeling humbled by how difficult disciplined writing can be.

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Not sure what you mean by this, and where it sits in the conversation.

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It's a parallel analogy.  Here, I'll change for you...


My husband has dragged his feet for 30 years about getting involved in writing as a creative process. He believes "there are no true original works because all they've all been done before." My simple side of the argument was always; so what?

I believe....
There are an infinite combination of words & scenarios as there are dimensions to feelings, moods, and passions. And while we may in fact dutifully give a nod to those who have inspired us, originality is rooted in the self--and there isn't another person, ever, in the entire universe, who is exactly like you (I.E. they will never create a work exactly like yours unless plagiarizing).

Better?

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:

The pure fiction argument has been going on in my house for decades. My husband has dragged his feet for 30 years about getting involved in the songwriting process because he believes "there are no true original songs because all the chords have been played a million times over". My simple side of the argument was always; so what?

There are an infinite combination of chords and progressions as there are dimensions to feelings, moods, and passions. And while we may in fact dutifully give a nod to those who have inspired us, originality is rooted in the self--and there isn't another person, ever, in the entire universe, who is exactly like you.

I don't make the connection you are making between 'pure fiction' and originality. Also, the difference between music making and writing is so much greater than the difference between prose and poetry/lyrics as to be apples and oranges,  but I can see that conceptually 'pure fiction' in abstractive process is close to music making. Plain writing is barely abstract at all.

Writing is writing. We're talking about the creation of original works--be they song, poetry, or novel.

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

The pure fiction argument has been going on in my house for decades. My husband has dragged his feet for 30 years about getting involved in the songwriting process because he believes "there are no true original songs because all the chords have been played a million times over". My simple side of the argument was always; so what?

There are an infinite combination of chords and progressions as there are dimensions to feelings, moods, and passions. And while we may in fact dutifully give a nod to those who have inspired us, originality is rooted in the self--and there isn't another person, ever, in the entire universe, who is exactly like you.

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Dill's story got me thinking....Three weeks ago I began writing an entry for the superhero contest and grabbed something from my memory banks to depict the action between 2 kids in a warehouse. I'm in the middle of typing away about one of them leaping off a platform and I inexplicably burst into tears. And I don't mean I welled up, I exploded into a deep cry. Not only did it take me by total surprise at first, but it's very uncharacteristic for me.

I lost my brother about 8 months ago. He was still fairly young and it was unexpected. I didn't do a lot of crying. Mostly, I think because I was numb, and very distracted by having to tackle all the immediate concerns of my mother who'd been living with him. A few family members commented on my lack of visible mourning. I shrugged it off. I didn't need nor want to explain it to anyone even if I could.  Then during that writing session a few weeks ago, I came to the realization that the memory I was tapping into to depict those 2 kids in the warehouse was one of my brother and me.

That was the first thing I thought of when Janet first posed the question. I wasn't crying over what was written per say, I cried over a very real mental connection my brain made out of it. This time it happened to be tears, but I've had visceral reactions to writing that has challenged me, or angered me, or made me overly envious too. Sometimes it's fiction, other times not--the mental connection doesn't care, it just happens.

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....aaaaand Corra moves in for the Dill smack down....Yay! It's starting to feel like home again (except I miss the old names) smile

TirzahLaughs wrote:

Some reviews don't get you points at all.
Others get you a limited amount of points.   I find I have to review 6 to 10 pieces to post a chapter...which I do find annoying but I figured I might just be doing it wrong.

Nah, that ratio has always been pretty bad...you aren't doing it wrong smile

I totally agree with Dill. I've had to leave some pieces deactivated because I refuse to pay for them again--I already paid a hefty price the first time. Is there something we're missing? A way to reactive a piece without paying for it again?

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Methinks you're parsing now, Dill.  But yes, I agree with the overall point you are making. Different doesn't equate to bad, it's just different.

I responded because this subject fascinates me. Not just as a novelist, but also as a songwriter. I've spent the last year digging into research a because my band is in the midst of writing their next album. As the primary lyricist, I wanted to try to figure out the mechanics behind why some songs grab when others don't. I didn't find a single answer--I found many. What most of them had in common was the universal appeal factor; something the listener can easily grab a hold of. For lyrics it's being able to relate. For beat, it's uncomplicated. 

That research opened my eyes to how I approach writing in general. I've noticed my novels have become a lot less complicated and I place a lot more emphasis on universal themes. Does that make them better? Probably not. I still have a lot to learn. But I can see the difference and I like it.

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However...and this goes to the point of anything that doesn't elicit an emotional response is trash; just because something may or may not resonate with me, doesn't automatically mean it's going to do the same for readers. Their lack of emotional investment doesn't necessarily equate to writing failure. ALL readers carry their own set of morals and bias into a read. It's a powerful filter. We just have to hope that somewhere along the way we can grab them in a way that makes sense to them.

To illustrate my point, Janet, sorry for the brutal honesty here, but your posted scene did not elicit an emotional response from me. Does that mean it's crap? No. It means I obviously didn't relate to it as you have. But that isn't to say I won't find something else in the novel that does push my button.

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I think I see the point Dill is trying to make--but he could have framed it a bit less abrasively. I think Dill is trying to make the point that non-fiction is more authentically emotional because it has firm roots in reality. However, I also think he's woefully missing the point that fiction has roots in reality too. One of the first basic principles of successful fictional storytelling is to give the reader something they can relate to, sympathize with, or champion. You can't do that without drawing from reality. And just because those facets are framed in a fictional telling, doesn't make them any less authentic. If you succeed in immersing the reader to the point of investing, their emotional response (whatever it is) is genuine.

Janet, I too have had emotional reactions to things I've written. It happens most when I return to re-read a difficult passage after having stepped away for a while. But it has also occurred during the writing. Usually because whatever I've just written hits a little too close to home. It's natural. We're human.

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(7 replies, posted in Thriller/Mystery/Suspense)

I'll take help from anyone who's willing!  I had originally planned to have the rewrite over by now but a death in the immediate family, as well as some major changes to living situation as a result, my writing plans were postponed. I am just now beginning the rewrite.

Also, I've had a considerable amount of feedback already on grammatical issues and general punctuation nits--so I'll offer a list below of some of the areas I'm most keen to get feedback on. Don't feel like you have to only concentrate on those thing however. I offer it only as a suggestion. At the end of the day--comments on reading comprehension and enjoyment are probably the most cherished and helpful overall.

1. Pacing, pacing, pacing. Be it overall (entire novel), or chapter, or even scene pacing, I want to hear from you if you notice anything--good or bad.

2. Plot continuity--I do have plans to cut several threads, and to bolster others--but I would like to hear your comments good and bad as written. It helps give me ideas of what works well and what doesn't. Also to continuity--if you see something that doesn't make sense or fit, please let me know.

3. Characterization--I want to know how, or if these characters move you. Are they clearly defined? Are there areas of specific improvement I could make? Do you like/dislike them?  Are they consistent?

4. Emotional evolution--yes this is a crime fiction novel to be sure, however at it's core, it's also intended to be an emotional journey. If you notice changes to the characterization of my MC in this area, I want to hear about it.

Thank you to anyone who has the time and willingness to help. And do let me know how I can return the favor.

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(7 replies, posted in Thriller/Mystery/Suspense)

Randall Krzak wrote:

Hi Linda,
Would be glad to read.  If your novel is posted, I'll find it and get started. Randy

Thank you Randy!

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(2 replies, posted in Writers Afar)

Are we still going to do something with this group?