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(26 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

Rebecca, you might want to send Sol a note about changing names. I'm not sure about this, but I believe that a name change would automatically revert any of your TNBW content with it. It's not a fool proof solution, but it is a good start. I altered my pen name when coming to this new site and all my content altered with it, so I do think it's possible. Also, if protecting your privacy were easy--we'd all do it and not be having this discussion. It's not easy at all. But the onus to protect yourself is up to you--nobody else.

As to internet security/privacy in general--ALL comments, tweets, facebook posts, forum posts...and pretty much everything you've done, or will do on the internet--is publicly visible to anyone wanting to work hard enough to unearth it. It's a sad reality of the digital age.  It IS unnerving. But it's also something you can take steps to protect yourself against. No plan is fool proof, but every little bit helps.

Everything you've ever posted, commented on, tweeted, or even 'liked', is available for the world to see if they are ambitious enough to track it all down. And it's always been that way, everywhere on the internet, even on the older version of this site. While I totally agree that having toggle control to keep group forum content away from search engines is an appealing idea, I doubt it would be something Sol would support. His bread and butter marketing for this site relies heavily on internet visibility; i.e. he needs comments and such showing up on random internet searches to keep curiosity clicks lively.

One thing to consider is using a pen name on the internet. One that won't be connected to a potential publishing name. It's not fool proof plan, but it does make it a little more difficult for would-be snoops, or potential agents or publishers to immediately attribute your 'public' internet comments to your professional moniker.

Another idea is if you are concerned (as you should be) about protecting intellectual property, don't use open forums when specifically discussing/dissecting not-for-public-consumption aspects of your work; create a private one expressly for that purpose. You can always use the public side of the group to remind folks the private one is there by invitation. It's not the easiest solution, but it is a solution nonetheless.

I hope this helps.

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(26 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

I'm with Janet--learn to temper your posts. This is the way it is everywhere in the virtual world. Posts made to most any social media, forum, or website are there for the world to see, and perhaps judge.  I think if you are concerned about spoilers, or dissecting large portions of a novel, it is probably best to do so privately. But that doesn't mean the entire group & it's forum needs to be that way.

Another thing to consider is using a pen name in the virtual world so comments made around the internet aren't so immediately attributable to you under your chosen writing name (be that real, or otherwise).

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(5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

No issue for me.

Charles, your frustration is warranted. It's something all of us have been through, especially when we were newer to the site. The point system is far from perfect, and most of us, myself included, have fought valiantly over the years to get Sol to consider tweaks. I carried that torch around for years. Loudly contributing to the discussion every time it came up. But as time went by, my priorities shifted. When it happened, the point system, with or without flaw, became a distant undercurrent. I don't know if it will happen for you, but I hope so because it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

It was simple: I finally recognized that the spirit of this workshop site is to invest in helping each another improve our writing. How that process is packaged matters little when you begin to see how it translates: The more time invested, the more significant the fruits. For me, the time invested equaled a drastic improvement in my writing skills. And not only that, but as I grew as a writer, my earnest desire to give back grew exponentially with it. And so did my points......which I could give a fiddlers fart about by that time. 

As a former torch carrier, the last thing I'd want to do is put a damper on your enthusiasm to suggest improvements. But if I could take back the time I invested in such things, I would. This is why I chose to comment, and probably why pretty much everyone commenting on this thread keeps bringing up the value of relationship building.

I think that same person hit many accounts. Wonder if anyone clicked the link for those important photos.... smile

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(14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

There are plenty of how-to articles and books out there, but I don't think I've ever seen one dedicated solely to handling group dialogue. Other than having to employ more speech attributes, constructing it is no different from a two person conversation. You don't need to highlight the nuances of every speaking person unless doing so is vital to plot. You choose the characters who have the largest stake in the conversation and focus most heavily on what they have to say. The rest is color. 

You might try creating the scene with only the key characters first. Get the vital part of the conversation constructed before adding comments from the color characters.

HUGE congrats to the winner and the two runner-ups!  And to everyone who participated. Was a fun contest!

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(1 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

If your issue is formatting not holding from Scrivener to here--in Scrivener, compile the work to a manuscript preview. Then copy the compiled text that shows up in the preview box. Once you open a project here, you can utilize the word icon and paste into the the box as usual and the formatting will hold, and show up correctly.

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(3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Welcome back da!

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Dill Carver wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:

What Vern said--plus, if he's from Boston, a popular term for sugary canned drinks is soda.

Thanks Linda. In the context of a story, I'm talking about a WWII American Infantryman confronted with British Army rations, specifically a tin of bully beef.

Bostonian's would call that canned beef.

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(14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

vern wrote:

Scene that sings - literally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g84dejrJXI

Why does it work? It is the heart of the story in one concise scene and/or song. Yeah, okay, I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but that's how I think; blame it on the bossa nova, lol. Take care. Vern

hehe, I agree.

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(62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

What Vern said--plus, if he's from Boston, a popular term for sugary canned drinks is soda.

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(26 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Dags, you're right, the mainstream route isn't a pleasant one. And with the popularity of self publishing, I'm not even sure mainstream pubs qualify as true mainstream anymore.

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(26 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

jack the knife wrote:

JP - If there were "rules," I'd follow them. But there aren't, and I challenge anyone to substantiate a rule for chapter length. In your competition, though, I see the need for a length sufficient to show your stuff.

Linda - You state that "nearly all" agents and publishers have accepted norms for chapter length, depending on genre. Do you have any evidence for this? Because my research reveals just the opposite - that chapter lengths depend on the story context and can vary widely. Now novel length is a different story. There are "norms" for those, depending on genre. The rule of thumb, though, is to shoot for 80 - 90K. Exceptions: Sagas (think Michener)  in this range are likely to be rejected out of hand, and thrillers way above this range will be given the boot, too.

My simple answer is yes. So far I've worked with 2 agents--both of whom are quite sticky about chapter length because the publishers for that genre have stringent range criteria. Minor variations aren't an issue. They aren't going to reject a good work because a few chapters run below or above the range criteria. But on more than one occasion, I've been asked to split, trim, or enhance a chapter based on this criteria. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it in each instance, but it a practice widely considered 'norm' nonetheless.

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(26 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Danielle Buckingham wrote:

Hey Linda Lee,
I know there's no 'rules' or anything like that; I was just curious about what other people did as far as chapter lengths. I'm so used to being aware of only my writing and how I do it, that I find it interesting to see how other people operate

I don't worry about chapter length at all when drafting. I put it all out there, as it comes, and don't concern myself with anything but the writing. It's only in the final stages of rewriting that I even think about it.

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(26 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hey Jack, nobody is suggesting there are hard and fast rules but nearly all agents and pubs have their expected norms for a given genre. All I was trying to point out is that if you want to work with them is a goal, then paying some amount of attention to those expectations is a wise course of action.

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(5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

Ahh, I got it wrong too.  I don't mind the rewrite process. I always think of it as polishing a turd. LOL  Sometimes it's just minor tweaks, and other times it's a whole new direction to address plot fixes.

The one lesson about rewriting that I learned the hard way is not to rewrite in the original document. I break my chapters down into folders containing versions. Version 1 being the draft and all subsequent version #'s being various rewrites. I can always tell which chapters are the toughest to get right because I'll have up to 6 versions of it. Copy and pasting the highest version # onto a new document and numbering it 1 # higher is how I manage to preserve ALL writing, so if I make a giant mistake during the rewrite, I can always revert back to whatever version I feel is the strongest.

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(26 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hey Danielle,
There is no hard and fast 'rule' about chapter length, but if you are writing for a specific genre with an eye on publication of some sort, there are expected norms for each category. I don't even think about any of that when I'm drafting however. I let the chapters tell me when to stop and fix it, if necessary, during the rewrite.

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(5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

If you're talking about the mechanics of doing it on the site--I agree. There are annoying bugs. Sometimes I have to do it several times before it previews correctly with the changes.

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(12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Big congrats to Paul!!

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(7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Of your list, my favorite is Ronan.  But I've included a link below which might be helpful. Good luck!

http://medieval.stormthecastle.com/medieval-names.htm

I can't speak for others who have commented here, but my post wasn't meant to be disheartening. I love much of the new design. I think there are tools far more powerful than much of what we had on the old site. I think the change to bring the site up with the times is a very positive step. Perhaps some of us don't say that enough. And perhaps we're beating a dead horse too much. But you've asked for feedback, and this, probably more than any, is the one topic that keeps bringing passionate discourse. At least consistently. Personal feelings aside--I believe the reason it keeps coming up is because it WAS such a powerful tool. We relied upon it to get to know each other, to challenge each other and to help each other. That is a very difficult aspect to do without.

It seems to me that the majority of those who actively oppose this topic (which has come up more often than any other topic) are folks that either weren't around the old site long enough to reap the significant benefits of the static style forum, OR, had a rough go with learning how to deal with the negatives that do sadly exist. 

To the former, I feel bad that you didn't get to experience it because it was, by far, the most stimulating, exhilarating, frustrating, intellectual, ridiculous, and fascinating learning experience in my writing career. I learned more about critical thinking, writing, and the human condition in the 9+ years of taking part, than I did in any other course or writing group--both live and virtual. There were good lessons, and there were hard lessons and I'm eternally grateful that I was privileged enough to experience both because I learned from all of them.

To the latter, I recognize that some don't want, nor need the hard lesson route, and that's understandable.

As Dill, Memphis, and Tirz have already stated, the community aspect born out of the 'marketplace with stalls labeled according to the ongoing discussions' (brilliant analogy btw) was unparalleled, and is in fact, sorely missing from this new site design. As writers we crave a constant exchange of ideas, we need discourse, we thrive on dissection, dissension, discussion, and all forms of verbal gymnastics.  But as busy adults with busy lives outside of writing, we also crave organization, and a static forum design kept our participation organized.   

A static forum of lively ongoing conversation was one of the most powerful tools in my writing toolbox. And in spite of all the positives this new design has to offer, I’m still missing my most powerful tool.

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(20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Detective Lundstrom is on the case!