Topic: Male to Female Ratios

Just the other day, I was writing up character sheets for my novel (goodness knows I can never keep eye color straight) and I suddenly realized that it is very female-dominated. In the beginning, three of my four main characters are female and the villain is female, as well. It evens out a bit as I go along, but still, my most-developed characters are going to be mostly female.

So, I'm asking... At what point in your story do you take into consideration the gender of your characters? Most readers seem to find a character of the same gender to be easier to relate to, but is this enough reason to throw in a character of another gender, or change the current gender of a character?

Half the time, I think I'm afraid of getting a male character "right" simply because I'm a girl myself. What are your thoughts?

-Elisheva

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I would suggest writing the story with the characters that belong there regardless of gender. If your story calls for all female, why change it just to throw in a male. However, if you do decide it actually does call for a male character, then write him with whatever characteristics apply. You can always use someone you know to base a new character on or even better use a composite of several people you know. My novel uses many composite characters; I take the details of several people I grew up with and combine them into one even more exciting person, male or female. Hope that helps. Take care. Vern

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I agree with vern.  My granddaughter asked the other day, is your main character the guy you always wanted to be?  Made me think.  Yeah, he sorta is, but then he's partly guys I knew.  Let your mind run and write what the story says to write.  You'll be a lot happier with it in the end.  If you ain't happy with it, the readers won't be either.
Mike

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That makes sense. I've been pretty much "going with the flow" as far as my writing goes, but I wondered if others might have a different opinion. Sometimes, when I read a novel, I get annoyed by the lack of variety in characters, but I think that has more to do with their personalities than their physical features.

-Elisheva

5 (edited by Norm d'Plume 2015-08-19 00:13:23)

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One factor to consider is your target audience. I write sci-fi, which is largely a male audience. As a result, my two MCs are male, each partially based on me. However, I created a few very strong female characters to balance that out (e.g., a female monarch on a male-dominated world, a fearless fleet admiral, and an empress who can be very dangerous when her son is threatened). Admittedly, I also have a few female characters who are doormats, but I plan to address that in my next draft.

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You've received some good advice.

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I think it's even more important to frame them correctly. Does this female character or male character act and speak the way most of his or her gender would in this situation? If not, is there something unique to the character that the reader has been well enough informed on so far? Things like that.

To me, it sticks out like a sore thumb if I read a section where it's coming across as a conflict in this regard. I suppose that's another solid point for co-authors where if your co-author is of the opposite gender you can just ask smile

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Personally I like to maintain a high ratio of female characters within my writing.  I feel this gives the writer far more scope within the plot for characters to be irrational, illogical and emotionally flawed. You can have them distracted from key aspects of the plot by; say a new handbag or damage to their hair-do. There is the opportunity for humourist sub-plots where they’ll get lost by reading a map upside-down or baffled by (or fumbling with) technological devices. The image of a female character running in high-heeled shoes is also great imagery as is the inability to park a car without gross inefficiency and episodic behaviour.

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dagnee wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

Personally I like to maintain a high ratio of female characters within my writing.  I feel this gives the writer far more scope within the plot for characters to be irrational, illogical and emotionally flawed. You can have them distracted from key aspects of the plot by; say a new handbag or damage to their hair-do. There is the opportunity for humourist sub-plots where they’ll get lost by reading a map upside-down or baffled by (or fumbling with) technological devices. The image of a female character running in high-heeled shoes is also great imagery as is the inability to park a car without gross inefficiency and episodic behaviour.

I hope this was meant to be sarcastic. smile

We all live in hope nowadays.

Oh, and thanks for proving my point.

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Dill Carver wrote:

Oh, and thanks for proving my point.

LOL. Take care. Vern

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I have to admit that I'm hopeless parking my car. I fit in the stereotype.

Kiss,

Gacela

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Mariana Reuter wrote:

I have to admit that I'm hopeless parking my car. I fit in the stereotype.

Kiss,

Gacela

I fear it is more of a gender based affliction than stereotypical trait Mariana. My wife once exclaimed (of the car) that 'if it were invented by a woman then it'd be a far better machine."

I remember we contemplated that for a while and then burst out laughing as we simultaneously realised that no woman has ever invented anything.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

You've received some good advice.

Thanks!

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Dill Carver wrote:

.... My wife once exclaimed (of the car) that 'if it were invented by a woman then it'd be a far better machine."

I remember we contemplated that for a while and then burst out laughing as we simultaneously realised that no woman has ever invented anything.

Not true.  The invention of the circular saw is attributed to a Shaker woman who was spinning and watching the wheel when she looked out at the men sawing wood.  I'm sure she wasn't the one to build it, though.

Stereotypes wouldn't exist if there were no basis for them--but sometimes the basis is no longer true, or never quite was, or is ironic falsehood.  And even the truest of stereotypes has exceptions.  I've met Wrench Wenches.  One of them was an automobile service manager.

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I have binders full of women to choose from.

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njc wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

.... My wife once exclaimed (of the car) that 'if it were invented by a woman then it'd be a far better machine."

I remember we contemplated that for a while and then burst out laughing as we simultaneously realised that no woman has ever invented anything.

Not true.  The invention of the circular saw is attributed to a Shaker woman who was spinning and watching the wheel when she looked out at the men sawing wood.  I'm sure she wasn't the one to build it, though..

Only in the USA though. In Europe the circular saw was invented by a Greek called Archimedes (287-212 BC). It was reintroduced and used extensively throughout the Roman Empire  between 27 BC and 264 AD. In China variants of the circular saw have been around since pre-history, but the one preserved in the Chongqing Science and Technology Museum dates from 97 BC

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

I have binders full of women to choose from.


How did you get the women into the binders? Hole-punch or staples through the head? If you'd pickled them in jars, they'd be easier to browse.

Anyway, well done you! It keeps them off the roads.

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Haha, well I see this discussion has taken off.

To be honest, I myself do not fit many of those stereotypes. I am literally the only female in my department (Technical Support) and one of two females in the office. While I may not be up to par with, say, a professional stunt driver, I do believe I am a decent driver and I have changed both the oil and tires on my truck.

That's not to say that I don't yell at my boyfriend every time he leaves the toilet seat up, but hey! The stereotypes have to start somewhere. wink

-Elisheva

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Elisheva Free wrote:

I have changed both the oil and tires on my truck.

Impressive. Most impressive. Obi-Wan has taught you well.

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Elisheva Free wrote:

. I am literally the only female in my department (Technical Support)...

That'd be handy for blokes tea and coffee breaks. Do you know your male colleagues by their names or do you identify them as 'milk, no sugar' and 'black with two please.'

Elisheva Free wrote:

I do  believe I am a decent driver...

Of course you do. Most women believe they a good drivers (or singers, dancers, or cooks etc.) but as we know, belief is a substitute for fact (here I'd cite religion as an example, any one them).

Elisheva Free wrote:

That's not to say that I don't yell at my boyfriend every time he leaves the toilet seat up, but hey! The stereotypes have to start somewhere. wink

Do you think you could break out of your stereotypical conditioning and consider for once just how annoying and inconsiderate it is when women persistently leave the toilet-seat down?

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Dill Carver wrote:

That'd be handy for blokes tea and coffee breaks. Do you know your male colleagues by their names or do you identify them as 'milk, no sugar' and 'black with two please.'

Haha, very funny. The other lady of the office is actually the one that makes the coffee and we get up to grab it from the pot and mix in the sugar ourselves. smile
I actually work on computer systems on yachts around the world, so I'd say my job description includes just a wee bit more than your average assistant or front-desk lady.

Norm d'Plume, I seriously appreciate the Star Wars reference. Fantastic. wink

-Elisheva

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Dill Carver wrote:
njc wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

.... My wife once exclaimed (of the car) that 'if it were invented by a woman then it'd be a far better machine."

I remember we contemplated that for a while and then burst out laughing as we simultaneously realised that no woman has ever invented anything.

Not true.  The invention of the circular saw is attributed to a Shaker woman who was spinning and watching the wheel when she looked out at the men sawing wood.  I'm sure she wasn't the one to build it, though..

Only in the USA though. In Europe the circular saw was invented by a Greek called Archimedes (287-212 BC). It was reintroduced and used extensively throughout the Roman Empire  between 27 BC and 264 AD. In China variants of the circular saw have been around since pre-history, but the one preserved in the Chongqing Science and Technology Museum dates from 97 BC

So not true too. I have binders full of inventions by women to choose from. You can keep your stupid circular saw because it is a well known fact (well, to most of the population in any case) that the bicycle has been invented by a woman. Which one do you think saved more lives?

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Elisheva Free wrote:

I actually work on computer systems on yachts

Are your employer’s mad? Everyone knows that it means awful bad luck to have a woman on a boat!

There isn’t even an accurate alarm term coined for a female falling overboard!

And computers on yachts; are you sure?  They obviously can’t afford a proper means of propulsion; you'd think they’d splash out on an engine before they blow their cash on a PlayStation.

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Dill Carver wrote:
Elisheva Free wrote:

I actually work on computer systems on yachts

And computers on yachts; are you sure?  They obviously can’t afford a proper means of propulsion; you'd think they’d splash out on an engine before they blow their cash on a PlayStation.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to point out here? The yachts that I work on generally have anywhere from a dozen to a hundred computers on board, in addition to gaming systems, audio/video systems, servers, network devices, storage systems, etc.

-Elisheva

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At least nothing changes on good old tNBW! Where literary and literally are as ever, indistinguishable.