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I'm very happy to know that we're gonna have a contest launched next week, and I like John Hamler's idea a LOT! I could have a great deal of fun with that:-) Thanks Sol, John, and everyone else who's contributed here!!

Mike

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SolN wrote:

Interesting ideas. I'm going to continue following this thread and we'll launch a new contest by the beginning of next week.

Just found this thread and evidently I missed something. I joined in July, renewed once, and haven't seen a contest yet. Isn't this one of the things we pay premium for?
My only contest suggestion is: If Sol chooses an idea, the person who suggested it should not be allowed to enter. Because they have the jump on everyone else.

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graymartin wrote:

  That would take the judging burden off Sol and the editorial board

I'm curious about this "editorial board." Who are the actual judges? When these contests started, we had names. Now just a winner is announced. A little transparency would be good, IMO.

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Since we're having trouble getting this contest airplane off the ground, I would like to respectfully suggest that we return to the group-sponsored contests we had a couple of years ago, with a few stipulations:
1. Group sponsorship of a contest be completely voluntary, to be decided by the group's moderator(s).
2. Contest prize be other than cash, such as a year's membership, 100 points, or other tnbw perk. (Possibly the winner's choice?)
3. Group membership be a requirement for entry, as it was before.
4. Contest scheduling be decided by the group, to accommodate members' needs.
5. Group be responsible for selecting a theme and promoting their contest.
6. Group be responsible for method of judging.
7. Contest entrants receive a summary of their scores after the winner is announced.

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John Matthews wrote:
SolN wrote:

Interesting ideas. I'm going to continue following this thread and we'll launch a new contest by the beginning of next week.

Just found this thread and evidently I missed something. I joined in July, renewed once, and haven't seen a contest yet. Isn't this one of the things we pay premium for?
My only contest suggestion is: If Sol chooses an idea, the person who suggested it should not be allowed to enter. Because they have the jump on everyone else.

Well, since we've been waiting for several months for the contest which would be announced "next week" I don't think it matters a dither who suggests the idea if Sol can't come up with one on his own. The suggestion of an idea doesn't give the "suggestor" any advantage that I can see. Every contest idea comes from someone and no matter where the idea comes from there are plenty of varied and original responses which anyone who might have suggested such idea probably never dreamed of fitting the idea. There is a reason why you can't patent an idea. No matter what it is, it must be executed. Just an idea doesn't make a good story. The execution of the idea does. I could have an idea for a story and spend twenty years on it and it not be as good a story as someone else might present.

My idea is to have a contest period regardless of subject matter or who suggested it.  Just my opinion. Others may differ and I'm sure they will just as  I have disagreed with the suggestion within this post. Take care. Vern

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SolN wrote:

Interesting ideas. I'm going to continue following this thread and we'll launch a new contest by the beginning of next week.

Sol, this was back in August.  Did I somehow miss the contest, or have you just not come up with a good one yet? 

I personally think it's a good way to draw in more writers to this site. 

Anybody else ready for a new contest????

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:
SolN wrote:

Interesting ideas. I'm going to continue following this thread and we'll launch a new contest by the beginning of next week.

Sol, this was back in August.  Did I somehow miss the contest, or have you just not come up with a good one yet? 

I personally think it's a good way to draw in more writers to this site. 

Anybody else ready for a new contest????

I think everyone is ready except Sol. Some kind of time warp thing maybe. Tale care. Vern

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The logistics would need to be worked out, but there are writers here who have series, repeating characters, and that inspired me.  Best in cross-over.  Like you have your characters in some other writer's world, or vice versa? You know, like Kdot's characters in a Lieutenant Beaudry novel?

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Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:

The logistics would need to be worked out, but there are writers here who have series, repeating characters, and that inspired me.  Best in cross-over.  Like you have your characters in some other writer's world, or vice versa? You know, like Kdot's characters in a Lieutenant Beaudry novel?

I think we're to the point now that whatever subject Sol chooses would work. 

Sol?????

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Another contest would be great - it's gotten very quiet around here lately and a good contest should liven things up again!
I remember the strongest start competition had loads of really unique entries, while the locked-room one didn't seem to have as many entries, so it would be good to keep it as broad as possible.
If we don't hear from Sol in the next few weeks, we could create our own competition. We could all vote, and the winner wins the prestige of winning (since we won't have material rewards).
Thoughts?

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Suin, I agree it has gotten very quiet around here lately.  What has happened??  Anyone???  Are we on automatic pilot? 

The strongest start contests have always been wonderful for building new members.  People join because they want to enter the contest, and many of them stick around.  I would love to see some new faces come in.  The few new ones we've gotten recently don't stick around for long for some reason.  Maybe a new contest with a deadline 4 or 5 months out would help. 

We need new blood.  In 2008 when I posted Dance in the Rain, on the first chapter I received 72 reviews.  72.  The book had 30 chapters, and I got a total of 964 reviews on it.  That's the kind of stuff that helps us build our writing skills because I received some excellent suggestions and ideas.  I learned from it.  Today, if a chapter I post gets 5 or 6 reviews, I feel fortunate.  It's discouraging to new writers when they post something and get 1 or 2 reviews.  I think the contests are the answer to building it back.

I also think a far-fetched contest won't really do it.  I vote for a simple one that anyone can enter.  Not a particular genre, but something like the strongest start. 

SOL ??? 

smile

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I think we're swimming in quicksand. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

I think we're swimming in quicksand. Take care. Vern

I hope not.  But you may be right,

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All those in favor of a contest initiated by the members, say 'aye.'

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j p lundstrom wrote:

All those in favor of a contest initiated by the members, say 'aye.'

I see you're overwhelmed with the response. Okay, with the absence of Sol for several months to date, I'll make a suggestion: Say after the first of the year how about a contest open to any genre with no restrictions other than must be published new for the contest so there would be no previous reviews. The maximum word count should be self-limiting with diminished readership for those works going overboard in length.

For a prize, I suggest several members volunteer an extensive in-line review of the work and if it is the beginning of a novel, then a further commitment to review the entire novel if completed (or all that is completed within say a month from end of contest.) I hereby will be the first volunteer. Should volunteers be eligible? Makes no difference to me, but it might shorten the list of volunteers. Or being a volunteer might be made a requirement for entering the contest -- I like that even better.

Perhaps if enough writers volunteer for the review prize (or all if made a requirement), the winning author could choose three from among those volunteers whose reviewing style (ascertained by looking at past reviews) best fit their needs. I would also recommend a deadline for entry one month from the start of contest. Perhaps someone knows an impartial judge (or judges) to choose the winning entry. Personally, I would recommend against a site popularity format. But whatever, doesn't really matter to moi. Take care. Vern

Just an idea to ponder or be a catalyst for other ideas. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

with the absence of Sol for several months to date,

Has anybody heard from Sol?  Is he sick?  Out of the country?  Too busy for us?  Expired?  Exhausted? 

Why don't we have a contest to see who can write the best story of what has happened to Sol.  Is he on an exotic vacation?  Did he join the army and is fighting in some foreign country?  Did he run away from home?  Why?  Did he come down with a tropical disease?  Is he climbing the Matterhorn?  Spying on Russia? 

200 words.  Where is Sol? 

Grand prize:  Recognition and the thrill of victory.  Or maybe by that time Sol will have come back to life and let us know who the winner is.  Else we will have to decide for ourselves.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

All those in favor of a contest initiated by the members, say 'aye.'

How about a contest sponsored by the members?

Memphis Trace

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Memphis Trace wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

All those in favor of a contest initiated by the members, say 'aye.'

How about a contest sponsored by the members?

Memphis Trace

However you want to run it is fine by me. I fear Vern is the lone volunteer.

If we don't want to sink to the level of a popularity contest, I have the scoring rubric, a thoughtful, intelligent instrument designed by Janet Taylor-Perry, we used in the Cop Shop contest a couple of years ago. It's easy to use and score, also.

But don't forget, popularity is what makes a best-seller. The number of reads and reviews can be equated to the number of sales in the real world. Oh, for a return to the five-star system! (Just kidding--I didn't like the Lazy Rater any more than anyone else did.)

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j p lundstrom wrote:

But don't forget, popularity is what makes a best-seller.

That is absolutely true EXCEPT on a writing site such as this where it becomes more of a reciprocal relationship. However, I'm amenable to any judging system approved by the majority of authors who deem to enter. Take care. Vern

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The best I can tell, this is the last post by Sol:
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SolN 2017-11-03 13:48:01
SolN
Offline
That's strange. Let me check it out.
***
Interestingly enough, it was reported that same day of November 3, 2017 that a giant void was discovered in the Great Pyramid of Giza using a new technique called muography. There is of yet no explanation for this void just as there is no forthcoming explanation for Sol's extended absence. Could there be a connection? Is that where Sol is hiding? A robot camera will soon be sent into the void to find out. We know Sol is out there somewhere. Maybe he will send a message should the camera spot him. Take care. Vern

Edited to add link: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/khuf … cs-2017-11

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Maybe Sol never existed.

After all, the name Sol is most often applied to our star, the one we call the sun, giver of life to plants and thus to all things and subject of worship among many peoples. Perhaps some genial, unsuspecting person allowed his picture to be taken for a use that was never disclosed to him. For all we know, those instigators of said photography created a site for gullible would-be writers, luring them in by calling them 'the next big writers' and declaring the existence of writing 'contests.' Posting a picture on the masthead of such a site, they gathered in all their victims' personal information, including financial and location. They encouraged 'members' to write a profile, disclosing more about themselves, their hopes and dreams.

And now that these masterminds have motivated us all to come together for discussion, and we're recruiting friends and family members to join our cause, the real agenda is set to emerge.

Will we be the subject of some malevolent experiment? Is the fictional 'Sol' our Dr. Moreau? On waking one morning, will we find ourselves with extra limbs or a lot more hair than we had before? Is it conceivable that we will have lost the powers of language? Consider yourself in the future, your thoughts unexpressed, with ungainly digits that refuse to keyboard, and a tongue without the power of speech!

Or could it be worse? Let your imagination run wild, for in no other way will we be prepared to combat the machinations of the devastation that is Sol.

Yes, my friends--we have walked, willingly and with eyes wide open, into a trap the likes of which have not been seen for almost a century. Let this be a warning to you. Do not trust Sol, or anyone, to solve your problems and provide for your needs. If you want a contest, get off your you-know-what and make it so!

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YEAR:  2017
SEASON:  Winter
MONTH:  OCTOBER
STATE:  Georgia
COUNTY:  Macon
LOCATION DETAILS:  To be kept confidential
NEAREST ROAD:  Hwy. 96
OBSERVATION REPORTED BY TWO MEN:  We were cooking a hog mid-day on a smoker, and across the road in a big field about 300 yards away, there was a huge hairy creature standing beside a white oak and looking at us.  I grabbed my phone and took a picture, and then it disappeared.  My father-in-law and I walked up to examine the area after it was gone.  There were tracks, and judging by a mark on the tree, the creature was estimated at 8 feet tall.  The owner of the property says he sees it all the time.  He has nicknamed the creature ‘Sol.’

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The aliens brought Sol back. He just appeared in another post. That camera and all the commotion in The Great Pyramid woke him up I think. Take care. Vern