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Topic: Question for the community: Male writers writing F/F books

A hypothetical situation:

You are recommended a book by a few friends, a story about a lesbian romance. The author's name is, let's say, J.P. Ericson (I just made that up; apologies to any J.P.Ericsons out there.)

You read the blurb. Looks like an interesting story.

You read the first few lines. Nothing about a dark and stormy night. A clever use of a metaphor. The author has some skills. All good. Green lights across the board.

You look at the author's bio--and see that J.P.Ericson is James Patterson Ericson.

Do you put the book back--or take it to the counter/download it to your Kindle?

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I probably wouldn't even look at the author until I finished the story and might want to buy something else by said author, but then I rarely brose through book stores any more. And only on a few occasions have I bought a book (more accurately had my wife buy it for me) because of the author; most in my opinion don't repeat the excellent experience I received from the first one. I'm just too damn picky, lol. Sometimes I will pick up a book my wife is reading and just start reading wherever she has it marked and if I find it interesting will ask to read it when she finishes, or perhaps before if she gets busy on something else. I may not be typical in that regard. Take care. Vern

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If it's well written, I'd say the author has skills. What difference does gender make?

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One of the greatest trashy romance writers, read by millions of women, is a man.  I met him; he used to live in my town.  Overweight, middle-aged guy, but he knows his stuff.

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Yeah, I'd read it. A good book is a good book.

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I wrote a book for and about abused women using mostly women's voices. It was well-received. Rather than tell you about it, allow me to post the opening few paragraphs and you can judge for yourself whether the gender of the author is even discernable from the writing ...

    "I was abused by my mother when I was a child.  I was abused by my husband as an adult.  I abused myself with drugs and alcohol.  I abused myself by having sex for money, or with men who had no love for me.  It felt right at the time because I had no love for myself - I still don't.  I feel unworthy.  I want to hurt somebody.  I hate myself.  I take my anger out on my children.  I destroy friendships through my anger and insecurity.  I run to sick men to seek comfort.  I don't know who I am.  I cover it all up with jokes and smiles and assurances that - hey, I'm ok today - I didn't pick up a drink or a drug.  I can't stop the pain.
    I'm thirty-three years old and still suck my thumb and play with a piece of satin to try to make myself feel better.  I'm in great shape, aren't I?  I hate men and I don't trust women.  Sometimes, I even resent my kids just because they are there and I want to be alone, or I want to go out and have fun.  I have this friend.  He tells me I'm special and I have all kinds of good qualities.  When he says those things to me, sometimes I just want to rip his face off.  Doesn't he know how much I want to believe those words, but inside I believe it's a crock and he's gonna be just like the others and want something back from me?  Maybe if I shut my eyes, he will disappear.
    "I think I'm gonna be ok soon.  See, there's this guy I met.  He makes me feel great.  He really turns me on.  Maybe if we get it on, I can forget my pain and feel good for a little while.  I have to keep it my secret though.  Too much to lose if I open my mouth because everybody will tell me I'm not ready for a relationship.  What do they know, anyway?"

Excerpt from "How to Get Off the Merry-Go-Round" e-Press, 2010

Re: Question for the community: Male writers writing F/F books

Romance-genre was fantasy until that word got taken over by dungeons and dragons. F/F romance is fantasy like any other romance fantasy in which any particular detail need not be true unless the fantasy morphs into erotica, a bit like outer-space-alien fantasy morphs into sci-fi, so that rocket scientists and astronauts might be allowed to be more picky than laymen, and lesbians might be more picky than those who aren't lesbians depending on  the detail the author decides to provide.  It is supposed that female authors do well with male homosexual storylines (Anne Rice, Annie Proulx) so perhaps male writer for lesbian romance would be the same assuming the male author has a feel for male sensibilities, knowing what it is like to be attracted to and loved .by a woman, in the same way a female might have for female sensibilities, knowing what it is like to be attracted to and loved by a man, and the details of what goes where is artistically irrelevant unless that element of eroticism is to be included.

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Dill Carver wrote:

I've actually read some of James Patterson Ericson's work and I love it. This is the opener to 'The Fur Trader' (Chronicles of Lesbos - Book One).


She strutted into my office wearing a dress that clung to her like Saran Wrap to a sloppily butchered pork knuckle, bone and sinew jutting and lurching asymmetrically beneath its folds, the tightness exaggerating the granularity of the suet and causing what little palatable meat there was to sweat, its transparency the thief of imagination.

reads to me more like the madness of a vegan reprobate.

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Dill, Bulwer-Lytton will rot your brain. Use with caution.

Thank you all for your insights. It does give me some hope that the artist is not necessarily the art, although I think the narrow-mindedness of mortals do tend to go that way. Why else did we scoff at Elton John singing:


Oh Nikita you will never know, anything about my home
I'll never know how good it feels to hold you
Nikita I need you so


...only to learn later that "Nikita" is a common name for a male in Russia, and so all was once again correct in the universe.

But then we learn that Bloomsbury, at first, made J.K.Rowling hide her gender because "Boys don't want to read books written by girls."

Tell Me, Have You Seen The Yellow Sign?

We are often a small and ignorant species. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

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How did my topic get into a "I love the Bronte Sisters more than you" duel?

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"Testy, testy," said the urologists.

corra, I just want to be sure--because it is important to the OP--you do know that "F/F" refers to lesbian fiction, right? Maybe also non-fiction.

I am no expert on Bronte, but the time period they wrote in didn't tolerate much F/F in mainstream writing.

In any case, please enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NKXNThJ610

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"How did we get here?" is not the same as "Kill The Navigator!"

Or is it?

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There is hardly a thread on this site (or the old) garnering more than a few responses which does not veer to some degree from the initial subject matter. I consider that a good thing in most instances. Natural conversation goes that way when interesting characters are involved. Take care. Vern

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corra, Dill...I am stunned.

How can either of you have been offended by anything I wrote? That was, at worst, playful banter.

This business demands a thick skin. You will read horrible, hurtful reviews of books you have poured your heart and soul into. (Not on TNBW, mind you; here it's all 5 stars and the greatest thing ever written ever.)

Out in the real world, 8 out of 10 of your reviews will be from people who have not read more than a page of your book, hate their life, hate you for having the creative force and resilience to even write a book, and would enjoy crushing your spirit more than free porn and a chocolate sundae. If "How did my topic get into a "I love the Bronte Sisters more than you" duel?" actually offended you, may I humbly suggest you take up needlepoint from a cave in Outer Mongolia? --because you will read far worse from people far more cruel than I could ever be.

Of course, it's fine to deviate from the OP. There are no rules.

William Shakespeare wrote:

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
If you pardon, we will mend...

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Here's my contribution from my novel, APHRODITE'S RAINBOW, wherein I created a variation on the F/F theme I referred to as F/AF for: female / android female:

"Harley Davidson! Oh goodie! Harley Davidson! Oh goodie! Goodie!“ Prunella said in animated excitement. Her processors overloaded at the prospect of seeing her man again. Her long repressed memory circuits double looped over and over, her love pulses created a divide by zero error causing her to sing like a yodeling fool at an idiot’s convention, complete with super-reverb and Alpine echoes.


“Oh my blithering, beautiful idiot android, you're so tantalizing. But until tomorrow comes we love, we will love all night long, ” Isellit whispered, forgetting all about Prunella's death-radiating, rainbow emitting vulva, while lowering her beautiful face and hungry tongue down between Prunella’s naked thighs to experience Aphrodite’s Rainbow, the last and best rainbow-hued light show of her life."

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max keanu wrote:

Here's my contribution from my novel, APHRODITE'S RAINBOW, wherein I created a variation on the F/F theme I referred to as F/AF for: female / android female:

"Harley Davidson! Oh goodie! Harley Davidson! Oh goodie! Goodie!“ Prunella said in animated excitement. Her processors overloaded at the prospect of seeing her man again. Her long repressed memory circuits double looped over and over, her love pulses created a divide by zero error causing her to sing like a yodeling fool at an idiot’s convention, complete with super-reverb and Alpine echoes.


“Oh my blithering, beautiful idiot android, you're so tantalizing. But until tomorrow comes we love, we will love all night long, ” Isellit whispered, forgetting all about Prunella's death-radiating, rainbow emitting vulva, while lowering her beautiful face and hungry tongue down between Prunella’s naked thighs to experience Aphrodite’s Rainbow, the last and best rainbow-hued light show of her life."

Can I get this on video? Sounds like Barbarella  in the orgasmostron. Take care. Vern

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Max: A little heavy on the adjectives, but a worthy effort.

corra: TL/DR

Vern: I'm pleased you finally got an avatar. But one question; is that a really small person wearing the top of an acorn?

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A.T.Schlesinger wrote:

Vern: I'm pleased you finally got an avatar. But one question; is that a really small person wearing the top of an acorn?

Actually, I found that Tam o'shanter hat in the trash as a kid and placed the little fuzzy chicken (also found in the trash) on top of it with a safety pin - not sure where I got the safety pin, lol. That was my class picture. But, geez, surely you remember me explaining the avatar before; it's also in my profile and been there pretty much since this new site opened.  I might have to add some bells and whistles to make it stand out. Take care. Vern

PS: Edited to clarify existence of avatar info.

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A.T.Schlesinger wrote:

corra: TL/DR

My fault! I assumed you had an attention span!

Here's the abstract:

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It's a picture puzzle! For the reading impaired.

All the best. smile

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corra wrote:
A.T.Schlesinger wrote:

corra: TL/DR

Here's the abstract:

That insanely long post was about Taurus divided by the member of the KKK before wash day? I may have to go back and read it--when I have a free week.

Vern: I see no safety pin. But then I also see no God, and a lot of people say that's  a thing too.

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A.T.Schlesinger wrote:
corra wrote:
A.T.Schlesinger wrote:

corra: TL/DR

Here's the abstract:

That insanely long post was about Taurus divided by the member of the KKK before wash day? I may have to go back and read it--when I have a free week.

Vern: I see no safety pin. But then I also see no God, and a lot of people say that's  a thing too.

You're not supposed to see the safety pin; it's under the chicken, invisibly holding it in place kind of like the strong nuclear force. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

You're not supposed to see the safety pin; it's under the chicken, invisibly holding it in place kind of like the strong nuclear force. Take care. Vern

Be careful, Vern, or you will start a new religion.

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A.T.Schlesinger wrote:
vern wrote:

You're not supposed to see the safety pin; it's under the chicken, invisibly holding it in place kind of like the strong nuclear force. Take care. Vern

Be careful, Vern, or you will start a new religion.

My safety pin could never replace the Flying Purple Mongoose though it does require a bit of faith in all the marvelous things it does like miraculously keeping a fully loaded diaper in place -- not to mention my chicken. Take care. Vern

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Male gynaecologists come to mind. That's a weak analogy. But.

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Iris Pearl wrote:

Male gynaecologists come to mind. That's a weak analogy. But.

Male gynecologists are called urologists.

...and, with that, this thread is so far off the tracks, it's become a f'ing submarine.  Ah well...

Seriously, no one saw the secret message I put in one of my posts above? --and if you saw it, did you understand it?