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"She can’t find her suit slacks"  instead of "How can I save the universe"? No, thanks.  Although the point is well considered to avoid jumping to the magnificent conflict too fast and too soon, the dropping down to the mundane (seemingly forever) is the sort of boring stuff that infects contemporary fiction. I am trying to get through Phillip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle, and one might consider that novel prior to "contemporary" fiction, in order to compare the original to the Amazon Prime's TV series to get at why the series is so disappointing, but I have found that Dick, more than the TV series, mires the story down in the mundane--but maybe one can hope there will be a purpose--and the TV series goes straight to action/killing and a bizarre love triangle. I don't think the TV series at the end of 10 hours of viewing in the first season has come close to Dick's theme whereas I can see it in the novel a third the way in.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Can someone please tell me how best to structure the following in terms of paragraphs:

The admiral felt the heavy buffeting of her ship from the enemy's supernova cannons. She bent down next to Ensign Ecks and closed his eyes. Windsor bowed her head and a tear rolled down her cheek. “I’m sorry, Brayden.” She rose and faced the main view screen. “To everything there is a season.” The admiral walked calmly to her position at the front of the bridge, moving that many steps closer to her doom. The retreating Hercules grew larger on the view screen as the Almighty gained on her. Dozens of escape pods fired from the enemy vessel. Rats from a sinking ship.

This paragraph is a mess. Okay, so who is "Windsor" and why is she interrupting the action surrounding the admiral with tears? 

Mixing action with other elements like thoughts is a difficult task and made insipid with Bible quotes and magical italicized tropes.

Breaking it up as you did as a fix almost works except the second paragraph has the same problem of mixing POV and description in a confusing way. You have four named characters doing stuff or just being dead (I'm guessing) in 25 words. You might consider deleting the third paragraph of your fixed version but putting the admiral's movement about the bridge into the previous or next paragraph.

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njc wrote:

Are they a scam because they don't do what the promise, or because they are unnecessary?  If the latter, are there people who could benefit from them?

Without marketing, there is little difference between the old vanity press and the new except instead of printing up books and storing them in your garage, you eprint books and store them on a server, all unseen but by the author with his shattered dream. The days of thumbing through books to see for oneself is replaced with a few first pages or selected at random. It is impossible for me to judge that way for non-fiction, and for fiction there is a necessary judgment of the basis of style whereby a kitschy style is evident from the outset, but a subtle consistent style is not. Vulgar is marketable; tawdry sells, and others have to find their way into their markets even if interesting plot and characters also sell. Oh, and what a bad idea for an author, except  for porn, to sell by the page. Kindle Unlimited used to pay the author the whole royalty if 10% of the book was read, and now it pays according to any large or small portion read. Never assume any publisher traditional or digital ever once has the interests of the author:

https://www.writtenwordmedia.com/2016/0 … unlimited/

it is easy to see why many authors were upset by the change to pay per page. Before KU, if you wrote a 150 page eBook, and priced it at $2.99 you would make $2.09 (after Amazon’s 30% royalty) off of a sale of that book and you would realize that revenue as soon as a reader downloaded the book. Under KU, that same book nets you $0.75, and that is only once a reader completes the entire book, which may happen within 24 hours or 6 months of the reader borrowing the book. Additionally, as an author you do not know what the payout per page will be until the following month, so it’s hard to determine what the max. value of your book in KU is in any given month.

... but the advantage of KU or Lending Library is that there is an implicit Amazon marketing for the book. However, the possible difference between $2.09 and $0.75 a book means that marketing is not free and reaches the level of a scam because neither the author nor reader, really, is served well. Once a reader has read past the first 10% of a book, he may judge a book, except for some literary fiction, perhaps, but having read 11% or 85% does not mean he has read the book and could be incentivized, if bound to pay the full price, to read it to the end, if $2.99 over $0.32 (11%) means much. There is all along a fundamental problem of pricing ebooks too low even when discounting for the fact that the book does not incur the cost of paper printing. The author should always be given a high fraction of the price for an ebook that involves no more than the cost of standing overhead for the ebook-server merchant.

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njc wrote:

Without precedent, every case must be decided from first principles

Yes.

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njc wrote:

I would say, Charles, that Common-law tools are unavoidable even at the federal level, below SCOTUS and even for SCOTUS itself, but they must always be subordinate to the written Constitution.  Core doctrines such as binding precedent come to us from Common Law..

That has been a primary tool for the Feds to get around the Constitution. It needed to have applied to international situations for a while after the Founding but not in 1898 Wong Kim Ark, for example (may be the first example), when it was asserted 14th century English Common Law (but not later explicit 17th-century law)  over-rode the words in the Constitution that gave Congress sole discretion respecting citizenship. I,8,4 of the Constitution was deliberately put in to monopolize all citizenship not natural born (to U.S. citizens born to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil) to the discretion of Congress.  Indeed, Justice Marshall did usurp power to SCOTUS via Marbury v. Madison on the logic of "precedent" and to this day is even a failing of "conservative" judges like Scalia but not Thomas.

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njc wrote:

Which is a retroactive change to the contract between author and society represented by the monopoly.  It's also a serious obstacle to keeping orphaned works in print.  Consider a minor classic like The World of Suzie Wong.  (This is a what-if example, not a real orphaned work.)  If the author cannot be found, the work cannot be republished or reprinted, whatever its value.  (I recall that Congress was considering laws to address this, but do not know if any were passed.)

I think you are tossing in irrelevant detail. The sole beneficiary of invention ought to be the author and tossing in a loophole to get around that is not purposeful other than for the common-good property ideologues. The principle applicable to artistic endeavor applied since 1831 has been the recognition that the author may not reap any economic benefit in his lifetime or within a significant portion of his lifetime but that his heirs ought to benefit if value begins to accrue for some period afterwards. Then it becomes a matter of details. I happen to think the Bono Act is wrong, but retroactively shaving back  that extra seventy years is wrong, too, and I think you have a point if Congress upped it to a thousand years.

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vern wrote:
CFB wrote:

Justices are not mullahs knowing from God what the right duration is.

They are not required or expected to have divine insight into a perfect time frame; however, they are expected to have a little common sense which would say that to afford protection for a work long after the author and perhaps any offspring have died is a bit gracious with the original intent of the law to reward creativity while not unduly depriving the public access forever.

At any federal level of the judiciary, with no human quality at all but rather an impartial sorting of conflicting or contradictory law. English Common Law judgement is inappropriate above the state level. What we have now with "constitutional law"  above the Constitution is the product of nine mullahs.

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njc wrote:

Common sense is a subject on which even jurists diagree.  What is common sense to Clarence Thomas may be hidebound idiocy to Ruth B. Ginsburg, and vice-the-versa.

The legislators are supposed to be possessed with common sense and jurists merely resolve conflicts of laws that may occur irrespective of common sense or any human aspect within the principle of the judiciary not making law..

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njc wrote:

That hinges on whether something which has been increased every time it should have expired is expected to continue to increase each such time.  If the justices decide that Congress is doing an end run around the provision, they might well strike it down.  When a judge at any level decides he's being gamed, he's likely to push back hard.

That does not reflect over history what has happened. The new law would cover those already covered by the old law in the same way a driver on the road has to obey a new traffic rule and not follow the old rule. Application of new law can work both ways to advantage or disadvantage a citizen in an existing situation. You suggest a situation that is phantasm: that, for example, Congress has every decade simply extended copyrights another decade. 

apart from International and Digital-Age complications, Congress has acted to significantly change the law only five times since 1790, and four involving the sort of extensions you worry about..

1790
Extensive revisions - 1831  twenty-eight years with the possibility of a fourteen-year extension irrespective of the lifetime of the author, 1870 (administrative), 1891 (International provisions), 1909  twenty eight year extension, 1976, extended protection from life of the author plus fifty years , 1988 (International provisions), 1990 (Computer software), 1992 (automatic renewal), 1996 (computer provisions), 1998 (Bono Act,  extended protection from life of the author plus fifty years to life of the author plus seventy years), 1998 (computer provisions), 2007 ("fair use"), 2010-present, courts busy with sorting out digital-age complications.

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njc wrote:

The point isn't that it's a century (or whatever) but that it is perpetually increased, which negates the intention on 'limited time'.

There is distinction between being perpetually increased, and historically it has been made longer and longer, and being made perpetual. The only way a strict-constructionist Court could invalidate such law is if it explicitly made copyrights perpetual and unending. Judges and Justices are not mullahs knowing from God what the right duration is.

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njc wrote:

The US Constitution gives Congress the power to grant monopolies to the creators of works FOR A LIMITED TIME.  But that limited time is increased over and over again at the behest of Disney, creating a de facto perpetual monopoly.  SCOTUS refused to strike it down, but if the pattern continues, it might come before SCOTUS again, and if SCOTUS has four strong textualists or strict constructionists, the result might be different.  But that's years down the road.


Disney just happened to be a beneficiary of the Sonny Bono Law which extended all copyrights to his entertainment-industry pals.  LIMITED TIME can mean a century if that is what Congress wants. Too bad SCOTUS did not give the absolute constitutional prerogative that belongs to Congress over citizenship, too.

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njc wrote:

The word 'lampshade' is used as a verb for naming things in ways that announce things.  For example, Girl Genius has villains with names like Lucrezia Mongfish and Zola Anya Telinka Zeblinka Malfeazium.  (I think I'm missing a middle name in there.)  You could have a lampshading contest.

I thought a lampshade plot point is a silly, arbitrary turn in plot because the story dead-ended. TV dramas going into a second season often do this within that season because the concept for the pilot only had enough story to get the show purchased. Dallas famously had to declare the entire season in which Bobby left the show by dying was a dream.

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njc wrote:

But see Mickey Mouse Copyright.

Do you mean the distinction between corporate trademarking of an image which is perpetual and an individual's copyright of art that can have a long life but not perpetual after death because the assumption is that a corporation is chartered into perpetuity and a human being cannot be so? Why is a drug patent seven years and Disney's Micky Mouse copyright was 96 years? A patent on a product is seen as most productive within a short time span, but the economic benefit from art may not accrue even within the lifetime of the artist -- in traditional sensibility, that is, and not in the phenomenon of Pop music which is rather more like a patented packaged manufactured product.

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Mariana Reuter wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

  Nevertheless, fanfic is morally theft.

Oh! I'm feeling sooo very bad right now! I enjoyed Gregory Maguire's Wicked both at the theatre and when I read the book. Had I known it was L. Frank Baum's morally stolen material, I would have stayed away from it.


I am not surprised that any other's individual right to life, liberty, and property is not something rolling around in your head. Baum's copyrights to his books started in 1900 have expired, and the practicality of eternal ownership of an ephemeral property like an idea after death is as arbitrary as law can be in its recognition of it, but the right of property and the recognition of an idea as a kind of property is so crucial to individual liberty in moral principle, it was put into the U.S. Constitution in the outset before the Bill of Rights and the right of free speech and due process of law, for what is moral is not the opposite of what is practical.

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Tom Oldman wrote:

Why double-post me, Charles? Wouldn't once have made your point? I mean, starchy is one thing, but a full-court press is another. Writing is supposed to be fun, not a Doctoral dissertation. Loosen up a little.

~Tom

Sorry, either it was an forced error caused by a glitch, or I was replying to the post before it but clicked the wrong "quote" link (or something unintentional like that).  Notice, if I had clicked on "quote" again, I would have sent it through a third time but didn't.  I also noticed rather  than taking any opportunity to respond essentially, you chose to assume I was evil and not fallible, and you bitched.

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Mariana Reuter wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Salinger, et al. vs John Done, et al. is not decided yet, and the judge's decision to stop the publication of a sequel to Catcher in the Rye in the USA was vacated upon the decision was appealed. I don't understand why the conclusion that fanfic is theft of intellectual property.

AFAIK The decision has not been appealed in U.S. Appellate (and then SCOTUS)  and stands as upholding the original injunction and gave the plaintiff two court decision in their favor against publication of the stolen property.

Fanfic prima facie  is obviously rip-off of original material. Lucasfilms thinks that, but legally it is a matter of cost-v-benefit in which avid positive fandom expressed through fanfic can be considered an economic benefit. Nevertheless, fanfic is morally theft.

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Another case addressing  Alice Randall's "The Wind Done Gone" had an opposite ruling. The link provided below highlights the difference between the cases for anyone interested. Take care. Vern

http://reporter.rit.edu/views/fanfictio … creativity

The distinction dithers on the parody/satire/criticism exception that almost never applies to Fanfic, and Salinger is a later decision, though not to the Appellate level,  and dismissed arguments for parody exception -- which in detail was obvious, for it was an unauthorized sequel, and The Wind Done Gone is obviously a distorted, exaggerated version to emphasize contempt for GWTW.   

To meet this legal bar, the specifics of the contest would have to require a parody/satirical nature.

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njc wrote:

Short answer: The writer 'knows' his work, and is less likely to spot a problem.  For typos and certain kinds of thinkos, it may help the writer to change the typeface severely, eg., from a serif face to a grotesque face.  But this is less helpful for awkward constructions in grammar and subtle ambiguities of meaning.

For punctuation, I think the author of a stand-alone work should reign supreme.  For articles and essays in newspapers, magazines and such, having a consistant punctuation style can help the reader and help the publication to present a uniform product, but even here I think the author should be allowed some occasional latitude.

For example, the Oxford comma is optional according to publication house, but the comma before a conjunction between two independent clauses is not. This last mistake is common here on TNBW and so too is the attitude 'Who cares about commas and that is for the editor to take of.' Comma mistakes, if not rare mistakes from fallibility, and especially the attitude, is a mark of an incompetent author.

Phraseology and word choice is a different matter. However, I also believe, contrary to common opinion, an author's editing while writing minimizes this problem even if it does slow down the writing.  The context is on whether the book is part of a production scheme in which an author has 'his people' do the menial tasks, or  the author has an emotional attachment to not only on what is said but on how it is exactly said. I have never had an 'editor' type provide me with the mot juste but a friend and a TNBW reviewer or two and not usually unless I ask directly.

Also consider the role of the more senior editor by using this example of when Edward N. Zalta took charge as editor of The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy sometime before 2015:

(2003) Karl Marx (1818–1883) is best known not as a philosopher but as a revolutionary communist.

becomes

(2015) Karl Marx (1818–1883) is best known not as a philosopher but as a revolutionary.

Moreover, one of the fairest explanations of the philosophy of Ayn Rand had inserted into it a new introduction exhorting the reader to believe that Rand is never taken seriously by academic philosophers.

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corra wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Why is an editor correct, and a competent author not?

To get to the other side! smile

Well, hello, Charles. Always nice to encounter you in one of these threads. Let's see what we have today. Ah! A debate about the relevance of editors before submitting in the middle of a discussion on whether or not a yearly subscription to Chicago is worth the money.

I was more responding to Rhiannon than to you on the matter of a good author relying on CMS or any grammar and style handbook to reinforce his memory of something he knew already rather than on the matter of a bad author relying on an editor whose job is to scam him to put lipstick on a pig.

I haven't commented on the vast bureaucracy of ladies who cannot seem to have found husbands or a government jobs on the basis of worthless English or History college degrees and whose jobs are to pick candidates for publication.

I also did not comment on the farther reach into maintaining that Progressive Hegelian hegemony which senior editors do.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Tom Oldman wrote:

One of the most famous contests every year is the "It was a dark and stormy night..." contest. I absolutely love those contests. Some of the entries are extremely funny, and some a entirely sober, but so inept and inane that you have to laugh. It's a great way to let off steam and get all the bad writing out of your system.

Here's is the LINK: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

My $0.03 (adjusted for inflation)

~Tom

Except for the presumption of Bulwer-Lytton as a bad writer is absurdly false, and absurd, too, that his first line of Paul Clifford (1830) is poorly written even in the context of today let alone of his times:

It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents - except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness.

Two "purplish" words, scanty and struggled within a well-constructed, informative, descriptive, and inviting introduction.

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SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

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njc wrote:

Some rules, particularly those that deal with commas, are almost invariably too rigid. They look at 'peepholes' in the grammar, and not the overall grammar parse.  But it's in the overall parse that the reader most needs help.

And I think I can say that Gertrude Stein didn't follow any stylebook on commas.

G. Stein was not primarily a novelist, and I have never read any, nor think to do so.

And generally as to 'proofreading' function, and not so much for anything else, for which CMS is a needed guide, of a hired editor, there is a line to draw between if editor will catch, say, a couple of mistakes in a chapter and if far more; if the latter, the author is a bad writer who can't be trusted to offer any value more than plot ideas.

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corra wrote:
rhiannon wrote:

I don't find the Chicago Manual that good.  Prefer the MLA, and have been forced to use the APA.  But you're writing fiction, Randy.  Grammatical and stylistic rules should be known, but in order to (often) be broken.  Keep that in mind.  And remember, it ain't written in stone. (lol)

MLA and APA are for academic writing, yes? Chicago and the AP Style book are valid choices for fiction. I believe AP is more referenced by journalists, while Chicago tends to be the choice for publishing houses who take on fiction (I think). My personal feeling is that matters of style at the micro level are mostly for the final round of edits, & can be handled by one's editor.

Why is an editor correct, and a competent author not? Aside from final publishing-house-rules edits -- which means the book has already been accepted -- I see there is an implication an editor is needed at all. Why is that?

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rhiannon wrote:

I don't find the Chicago Manual that good.  Prefer the MLA, and have been forced to use the APA.  But you're writing fiction, Randy.  Grammatical and stylistic rules should be known, but in order to (often) be broken.

No. The reason for a set of grammar rules is so the writer can write without having to think about those particulars of the craft much like an automobile driver can get from point A to point B without having to face chaos on the road - should everyone simply make up traffic rules as he goes along, or even follow the pattern of whatever particular group he is in. If and only if an author thinks hard and precisely about his craft can he break a rule by means of a universal logic decipherable by an astute reader. By universal logic, I mean not an arbitrary, subjective logic as, as for example, the brave, path-laying "author" who decides he will write his sentences dropping the final "e" from every third word that may occur. This is what you propose in your generality, and no published prose author does that -- not in grammar and spelling.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Can anyone tell me if the CMS is worth subscribing to? It's $35 per year

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If you renew, consider looking up the proper use of italics.

http://tinyurl.com/zzq8spc