I'm debating whether to involve lesser demons in the serial killings. Somewhere above I said I didn't want that, but supernatural beings make for better accomplices. Harder to kill, too. They could help bring the Jerusalem wood to each church to construct the human-size crosses.

Hmm. I'm definitely leaning toward crucifixions for the manner of all four deaths. Cardinals are ideal since they each are the titular head of a church in Rome. I could kill them in their own churches. The downside is that Angels & Demons also targeted four cardinals, successfully killing three. The fourth almost died but for the heroics of Tom Hanks's character. The other downside is that now all of the killings will be identical, further complicating my desire to keep the story fresh as it proceeds. There would be no accomplices like the gravedigger to hunt down. The gravedigger led the inspectors to Father Coppola, who conveniently keels over when arrested. It mixes things up somewhat, but involves two scenes of the inspectors reporting to higher ups and two interrogation scenes. If I kept going, I'd need even more of those.

No, the Antichrist is part human. He can't be in two places on Earth at the same time. It's a stretch of Catholic beliefs that the AC is even part demon. He also can't grow 10 cm. The reason for multiple murders is that the AC is trying to seize the Church from within by replacing existing clergy with loyal followers. I also think there's more tension and urgency with multiple murders.

Connor is definitely stuck in the Holy Land while the remaining murders are committed in Rome. The problem I have is the False Prophet has many powers similar to the Antichrist, so it's possible that he's the one who'll attack Connor in the Holy Land while the AC continues his business in Rome. I had hoped not to bring the False Prophet into the story until book two, but I can't think of a way to rule him out as a suspect in the reader's mind.

I narrowed it to four cardinals as part of the last draft. It doesn't have to be cardinals and once included other clergy in key positions as well. That was my original plan. A few of each. One advantage of cardinals is that they're old and may simply have died of old age (or coronavirus). Naturally, if the press gets a picture of cardinals (or other clergy) crucified on a church wall, the cat would be out of the bag. It needs to be clergy in positions of power since the Antichrist is trying to capture the Church from within.

If I keep the body count low, it should help avoid too much public scrutiny. There need to be murders before Connor leaves for the Holy Land and after, so that Connor can be fully ruled out as a suspect. Four total seemed like a reasonable number. He may be ruled out anyway since he's only 175 cm tall while the killer is 185 cm.

Current problems, of which there are many, is that Connor continues to be attacked in the Holy Land, which could theoretically be the work of the False Prophet (or even Satan), as opposed to some mystery about how the Antichrist is able to kill in Rome and the Holy Land at virtually the same time.

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It looks great, Bobbie. Congratulations. You've had an interesting career.

Ooh. The Antichrist might also be able to use supernatural powers to create crosses on which to crucify the clergymen. The wood would be traced to the area around the Old City in Jerusalem. Teleporting wood would be over the top, but it could have been imported into Rome from Israel and left somewhere for the AC to use.

Perhaps also make Campagna an alcoholic. After all, it was her getting totally wasted that made it possible for someone to rape her. The rape and kidnapped child would make her turn even more to the bottle.

Interesting. The AC could levitate the cardinals up to the right height and ram giant nails into them supernaturally. So far so good. That's actually something that happens to Connor near the climax of his tour of the Holy Land.

Well, shit. I went back and reread much of this thread for past ideas on how I had considered handling the cardinal killings/suicides to see if I can improve the detective half of this story. Not nearly enough tension at present to keep me interested. Turns out I already pretty much considered half a dozen ways of doing things, which resulted in numerous versions of scene 1.2 (first cardinal meets the Antichrist). The current approach evolved from the other five I punted. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

One new option is to pose all of the dead cardinals crucifixion-style, hanging from high on a wall. Cardinal Vitale would be nailed above the high altar. Maybe they even died from being crucified? Lets face it, these cardinals are not in great health to begin with. Death by crucifixion is probably the only violent form of death that Catholic readers might tolerate. It begs the question, though, how the Antichrist got the cardinals up high on a wall by himself. He's very powerful, but nailing someone against a high wall probably requires more than one killer, and I don't want to introduce more demons if I can avoid it. The focus should be on the AC.

I also still have the option of having them die of sheer terror. That was an option I considered at one point. Not sure how to build on that, though.

Manner of death only buys me maybe 5% more tension. It's the slow pace of the investigation that's killing me. Problem is, if the killings pile up quickly, then all of Rome will know about it and a huge police task force would be set up to investigate the deaths. I don't have enough info on Italian police procedures to do the task force, unless I use the idea of a special dedicated tactical team from the outset (i.e., made up any way I like). Kind of like Men in Black, minus the humor.

Further to the above, I may be able to pull the tactical team forward and have the team not only hunt the Antichrist, but also cover up the murders to keep from alarming the public. I could use the pandemic as cover for why they all die. I'll need some way to suppress evidence. Clergy who witness the killings can be sworn to silence by the Church. I'm also thinking of posing each victim crucifix-like up on the wall over the high altar. Not sure about that part. This has the advantage of eliminating complex cases like Vitale's murder, which are dragging down the pace. The major downside is the repetitiveness of the killings, but that's something serial killers do. This ought to quicken the pace.

Having taken a much-needed break from Saving Connor for the Dune story, I realize the problem is I'm bored with the detective half of my story. There are three more cardinals to kill, and other than manner of death, it'll be more of the same dreary detective work. Clues, false leads, interrogations, etc. There's nothing to keep it fresh. I was planning to form a special tactical unit in act 2 led by the inspectors to focus specifically on hunting for the Antichrist, which would include chase scenes, explosions, gun battles, etc. I'm trying to decide if I can pull the tactical unit right up to the beginning of the story and have the inspectors and the Church already in the process of hunting for the Antichrist based on a rapidly increasing number of deaths among the clergy over a period of years. That would break a *lot* of stuff, though.

It's covered in the book. This was supposed to be a simple battle against an upstart duke. The Emperor was used to being surrounded by sycophants and staff, including hairdressers, dog handlers, etc. It was meant to be a sporting event. If that doesn't sway you, well then she was there because Herbert needed her for story purposes. :-)

Your should throw in a few comments and collect the points.

I put up a piece of Dune fan fiction under short stories for those interested. I needed the break from my own universe.

It only just occurred me tonight that I forgot to plan the role each cardinal fulfills in the Roman Curia. Duh. There's supposed to be a reason they're being targeted, not just random acts of evil. More Vatican research. Kill me now.

Question. I'm getting ready to write the second murder, but there isn't much left to write about the dark figure that I didn't already include in my recently expanded chapter two. I knew that while I was rewriting it. My thought was that the remaining three murders would go something like this:

Introduction to the cardinal/victim in a quiet setting. In the case of the second victim, he's at home in his pj's watching soccer. He feels a chill and goes to check the window (it's closed) and the heat (it's on). He smells an acrid odor and sees fog coming down the hall. He investigates and finds the dark figure sitting on a chair just inside the apartment.

The dark figure says, "Good evening, Your Eminence."
The cardinal asks, "Who are you?"
The dark figure smiles playfully and says, "Martin Luther."

End of scene.

The brief dialogue is identical to that in chapter two, except he has a different answer each time he's asked who he is (in chapter two, he said, "Mother Teresa.").

Basically, the rest is left up to the imagination and, if important, will be unearthed (pardon the pun) by the detectives. It avoids repeating the whole spiel about him being the Antichrist, torturing the victim into committing suicide, etc. The second victim will hang himself. He won't be found buried.

Thoughts?
Dirk

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j p lundstrom wrote:

So, even if you're not writing in first person, you've taken sides, and you can't know what the other team is thinking.
JP

You don't have to know what the other team is thinking, but it's subjective POV, so my character is allowed to assume something as fact without my having to hit the reader over the head with the fact that it's an assumption. Anyway, it had an easy fix as noted above. Remains to be seen how many of these I can purge from my writing going forward. I'm currently reading Paul of Dune (from the Dune sci-fi series), and it's loaded with qualifiers like obviously, clearly, apparently, etc. They stick out like sore thumbs.

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I'll send you to fight it out with the point of view police the next time it comes up.

Paul of Dune changed Dune canon so they could tell of an incident involving young Paul where he went offworld, even though Dune said he'd never been offworld before going to Arrakis. Paul of Dune claims that Dune was written by Princess Irulan and contained errors and omissions about Paul. Dune fans probably threw a hissy fit in the reviews about that.

Hmm. I begin to remember why Paul of Dune wasn't a great story. It's set a year after the events of Dune end and has a lot of potential. Unfortunately, the authors try to pull in material from the three House prequels, which I didn't enjoy. A lot of characters I didn't care for are reappearing, only older.

However, the story is much more understandable. The elder Herbert had a lot to say on ecology, religion, psychology, and politics, but I found some of it hard to interpret, even in my most recent reread. Paul of Dune is much clearer in that regard.

One scene in the latter where the authors missed the boat was when Emperor Paul Maud'dib addresses many great houses of the Landsraad on the old imperial home world of Kaitain.  The scene was way too short. That should have been a major chapter about Paul trying to win over the great houses to end his jihad as quickly as possible.

Ah, well. The sooner I get through it, the sooner I can start Dune Messiah and return to my half-confused state.

The cardinal asks him who he is. At first he says he's Mother Teresa, so the cardinal just frowns and waits. The dark figure sighs then quotes from the Book of Revelation about the Beast rising from the sea. The cardinal crosses himself and says, "Antichristus!", which the dark figure acknowledges with a demonic chuckle. From then on, the cardinal thinks of him as the Antichrist. After all, why would he lie? ;-)

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Yup. My thanks to all for an interesting discussion.

Also, Ray, if you read the chapter, then as far as I'm concerned you should take the points, even if you have to switch to a regular review. Seabrass says the same thing. I usually have a difficult time finding enough things to inline comment on in his stories, except for a rare typo or details on stuff I can't picture. Personally, I'll never need the points, so I don't go out of my way to collect them.

I fixed it by having the dark figure identify himself as the Antichrist, which I didn't do until yesterday. I went back and forth about whether to do that so early in the story, but it's no secret that the Church will come to believe they and Connor are being stalked by him (it's in the book summary). I figure get him in there right from the get-go.

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Cool. Here's a fix.

Before:

While Andolini continued the rites, Connor closed his eyes and furrowed his brow. He slowly rotated his head back and forth, as if sensing something Romano could not.

After:

While Andolini continued the rites, Connor closed his eyes and furrowed his brow. He slowly rotated his head back and forth, pausing now and then.
What’s he sensing? Romano wondered.

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Law & Order always throws out false leads. Ditto for Agatha Christie and Hercule Poirot. In your examples with Mary, the reader is owed an explanation at some point as to why the detective thought she was guilty. If Mary is completely innocent, I might word it differently, so the reader knows there is some doubt. I did that with the interrogation of Father Coppola. They discussed several times in the early chapters about needing more evidence. Even after they arrest him and he drops dead from a heart attack, Inspector Campagna is wondering if they just killed an innocent man.

My argument has more to do with the little assumptions one can sensibly make based on the POV character's knowledge. Romano knows Connor has special powers, and he's at the exorcism because he may have some insight into why they can't cast out the demons of the possessed woman. When he closes his eyes and turns his head from side to side, it's prefectly reasonable for Romano to assume Connor is sensing something related to the exorcism in progress. There's no reason for the as if. If Romano's assumption is wrong, it will have to be explained and maybe even foreshadowed.

By including as if and similar words whenever there is a reasonable assumption being made, it flags every one of them with an implied: Watch out! This may be wrong! As CJ noted, an author's attempt to make the MC completely objective when the story doesn't require it pulls me out of the story. The deeper the POV of the MC, the more those moments stand out when they shouldn't.